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I'm working on the section of my NEWB FAQ regarding displays. As far as compatibility is concerned, the general guidance is to purchase a controller and display together to ensure compatibility, and if purchasing separately, purchasing the same brand may provide a better chance of compatibility. What I'm trying to identify are the display only manufacturers, rather than the companies to manufacture both. It seems like both the XLD and LithiumBattery controllers use third party displays, and share some of the same models. I know companies like King Meter make displays for other controller manufacturers, but are there others? In general, I'm trying to beef up the section a little, so any info would be helpful. I'd like to also add some stuff on displays that support open source firmware, and links to the firmware on ES.


Displays: Displays from different brands are not usually compatible. Displays that are the same brand as a controller don't guaranty compatibility, due to firmware variations, so purchasing the controller with the display will provide better assurance of compatibility. Some display manufacturers can support different controller brands, provided they are flashed with compatible firmware.

(work in progress)
Some common displays and associated controller manufacturer (actual compatibility may be dictated by firmware):
SW900, S700, S800, S866, S886 S890, S900 GD06, OMT-M3 - DC MOTO CONTROLLERBYLITHIUMBATTERY
KD21C, KD51C, KD59E, KD716, KD718 - Lishui
S866, S886, M5, M6T, LH100 - XLD (XunLiDa Electronics) BrainPower
LCD3, LCD4, LCD5, LCD7, LCD8, LCD8H, LCD9R, LCD10, LED880 - Kunteng
 
I'd also like to know what the major upstream suppliers for the no-name (or might as well be no-named) chinese labeled, ephemeral products.
the lack of compatibility is kinda ironic considering that there's no real innovation from the sellers, they're just buying off the shelf stuff, slapping it together and adding their label (of course don't bother to use even a computer english translation of ANYTHING).
I feel that in many of the compatibility cases, the reason for disharmony is small operations pushing out poorly thought out stuff- not plagiarizing enough or altering the copied design in goofy ways to make it marginally "theirs" .
 
E-HP said:
but are there others
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It might be better to sort it by the used bus system and protocol.
The most common is the UART KM5S protocol these days, I think. Many display manufacturers offer it for their products. KeyDisplay, Kingmeter, Focan, Bigstone, ......
Lishui and JYTCon (in Himiway bikes) often use this protocol.
Bigstone has it's own protocol, too. It is used in the "DAS Kit" series with Lishui controllers on LeonCycle (Leisger) bikes.

Bafang has switched to CAN bus.

regards
stancecoke
 
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stancecoke said:
It might be better to sort it by the used bus system and protocol.
The most common is the UART KM5S protocol these days, I think. Many display manufacturers offer it for their products. KeyDisplay, Kingmeter, Focan, Bigstone, ......
Lishui and JYTCon (in Himiway bikes) often use this protocol.
Bigstone has it's own protocol, too. It is used in the "DAS Kit" series with Lishui controllers on LeonCycle (Leisger) bikes.

Bafang has switched to CAN bus.

regards
stancecoke
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This might happen at a later stage. I haven't even started delving into the communication protocols yet. once I do, I may understand the reasoning a bit more.
 
Well since this thread resurfaced, here is the display section as it is currently. There are a lot out there. I’ve been adding the links to their manuals as I go along. any input is appreciated.
Communication protocols are a future addition, but probably linking to some relevant threads.

Displays:
Displays from different brands are not usually compatible. Displays that are the same brand as a controller don't guaranty compatibility, due to firmware variations, so purchasing the controller with the display will provide better assurance of compatibility. Some display manufacturers can support different controller brands, provided they are flashed with compatible firmware.

Common displays and associated controller manufacturer (actual compatibility may be dictated by firmware):
SW900, S700, S800, S830, S866, S886, S890, S900, GD06, OMT-M3 - DC MOTO CONTROLLERBYLITHIUMBATTERY/JN
SW900, C500B-LCD, KD21C, KD51C, KD59E, KD716, KD718 - Lishui
S866, S869, S886, M5, M6T, LH100 - XLD (XunLiDa Electronics) BrainPower
LCD3, LCD4, LCD5, LCD7, LCD8H, LCD8S, LCD9, LCD10H, LED880 - Kunteng "KT"
C961, 500C, 750C, 800S, 860C, DPC-07, DPC-18 - Bafang
Displays and/or Controllers supported by Open Source Firmware(custom/enhanced firmware developed by the user community):
Controllers -
KT controllers (certain models 0.25kW up to 5kW)
Lishui controllers (certain models)
Bafang BBS02, BBSHD mid drive internal controllers
Displays -
KT LCD3 used in conjunction with TSDZ2 mid drive
VLCD5-VLCD6-XH18, LCD3, 860C-850C-SW102 used in conjunction with TSDZ2 mid drive

CT-22 (speedometer, odometer, voltage, and status display)
Manual
Programming thread
Pinouts

Cycle Analyst, computer and dashboard:

Cycle Analysts - Ebike Parts - Shop​

The <a href="/product-info/grin-products/cycle-analyst-3.html">Cycle Analyst</a> is much more than just an old-looking display and is the central control feature for most of our advanced kits. With some custom throttle wiring you can also use it (via the Stand Alone or High Current models) to...
ebikes.ca
ebikes.ca
Cycle Analyst 3.15b6 - Settings Summary
 
Requesting help from the brain trust, again. I'm still working on beefing up the controller info in my FAQ. I'm specifically looking for the manufacturer's website for these two controller brands:

XLD Brainpower -​
​
JN (often labeled "DC MOTO CONTROLLER BY LITHIUM BATTERY" or "Brushless DC Motor Controller") -​

I've been searching, on and off, forever. The labels often have barcodes or scan codes on them, but those haven't provided any clues in the past to find their websites. For the JN controllers, if there's a decent ES thread, that would be helpful as well. Thanks!

OK, random question (basically identifying a controller by it's label):
I noticed that JN uses specific wording on the controller labels (two examples above), and always with the same all caps or caps with lower case. KT controllers label uses "Controller for brushless motor" (only Controller is capped). I was wondering how companies are registered or if these variations are licensed in some way. For KT, I use the model number to identify it as a KT controller, which is "KT" followed by the rated voltages (e.g. 36V/48V) and then the designation for trap or sine wave (ZW... or SVP...). Sometimes JN will have a model number, but usually that's just a bunch of numbers with no pattern. If "Brushless DC Motor Controller" was their licensed logo/name, then it would be a lot easier to spot a JN controller. Lishui has several variations in their labeling (and sometimes can be identified by the model number, if included (e.g. LSW...), but their newer models seem to have their name on the label.​
 
amberwolf said:
XLD is Xunlida, don't know their home site URL (I'm sure it's not in english, though).

JN is...Hmm. I knew until I started to type it. :(


EDIT:, maybe useful

Yongkang Xicheng Xunlida electronic parts factory

en.b2bname.com en.b2bname.com
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Thanks, this was helpful. Seems like Xunlida is a parent company with several divisions. Seems like most are electronic related, although I saw one they make saw blades. I see many of them are registered with Dunn & Bradstreet, but I haven’t found anything as far as sites go, for the parent or the other divisions.
This article talks about how company names are requested and approved in China.
china.acclime.com

Chinese Company Names: How They Work | Acclime China

For foreign companies, choosing a Chinese name can significantly impact brand recognition, market perception and overall business success.
china.acclime.com china.acclime.com
 
E-HP said:
Lishui has several variations in their labeling (and sometimes can be identified by the model number, if included (e.g. LSW...)
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The number behind LSWxxxx is only the customer number, it says nothing about the technical specification. See the post of @mechaniker in the German forum:

LSW-675 Sinus Controller

Hmm.. ich hatte beide Controllertypen und die Controller vom Hersteller Lishui http://www.lsdzs.net (also die LSW-xxxx) die ich hatte (meist Sinus, Sensorlos) waren bei meinen Motoren (mein Bafang ruhiger im Lauf bzw. im Betriebsgeräusch. Das ist aber ungefähr 3 Jahre her, vielleicht ist der...
www.pedelecforum.de

The code after the first number gives some clues, but no details are known....

regards
stancecoke
 
E-HP said:
Common displays and associated controller manufacturer (actual compatibility may be dictated by firmware):
SW900, S700, S800, S830, S866, S886, S890, S900, GD06, OMT-M3 - DC MOTO CONTROLLERBYLITHIUMBATTERY/JN
SW900, C500B-LCD, KD21C, KD51C, KD59E, KD716, KD718 - Lishui
S866, S869, S886, M5, M6T, LH100 - XLD (XunLiDa Electronics) BrainPower
LCD3, LCD4, LCD5, LCD7, LCD8H, LCD8S, LCD9, LCD10H, LED880 - Kunteng "KT"
C961, 500C, 750C, 800S, 860C, DPC-07, DPC-18 - Bafang
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Nice collection of PDF files. Hope you have saved them in your computer in case links disappear. Wondering is there a way to upload PDF files to this forum so they don't get lost.
 
I see there are displays mentioned which should work on Tongshen. I think it would be nice if there was some more information like, which displays only work with default communication protocol ( stock displays and Enerprof should do this afaik ), and which one's need you to flash not just the controller but also the display ( SW102 / 850c / LCD3 or anything from Bafang / Kunteng ).

*You could say this is a personal request which might help me out with my dz41 rma process, as Enerprof is up till now just claiming their displays are not compatible with OSF :( I fear they might bring that up as reason to not fully reimburse me.
 
marty said:
Wondering is there a way to upload PDF files to this forum so they don't get lost.
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Just attach them to your post.
 
marty said:
Nice collection of PDF files. Hope you have saved them in your computer in case links disappear. Wondering is there a way to upload PDF files to this forum so they don't get lost.
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Thanks. They are pretty easy to find, and where possible I used links from the manufacturer, or a retail ebike parts seller other than Ali express, to avoid the links going bad too quickly. I only added links because I was tired of looking them up.
 
I just came across this thread. I'm especially interested in these generic looking controllers coming from China under various names or no name at all. I suspect that many of them share the same internal circuit board. Is there going to be any database or way to help identify these when people open them up and take a look at what's inside? Also of interest is some of these El Cheapo controllers from China do have features like regenerative braking, but you have to solder bridge something on the PC board.
 
marvin78 said:
I see there are displays mentioned which should work on Tongshen. I think it would be nice if there was some more information like, which displays only work with default communication protocol ( stock displays and Enerprof should do this afaik ), and which one's need you to flash not just the controller but also the display ( SW102 / 850c / LCD3 or anything from Bafang / Kunteng ).

*You could say this is a personal request which might help me out with my dz41 rma process, as Enerprof is up till now just claiming their displays are not compatible with OSF :( I fear they might bring that up as reason to not fully reimburse me.
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I'm working on this slowly. I've been doing some reorganizing of the subsections to incorporate some odds and ends lately. Basically I've added links to the easy self contained open source threads, either within the Display and Display Resources section, or the Controller and Controller Resources section. I've been avoiding creating a separate section for now.

Displays and/or Controllers supported by Open Source Firmware (custom/enhanced firmware developed by the user community):​
Controllers (additional information provided below, in the controller section) -​
Displays -​
KT LCD3 used in conjunction with TSDZ2 mid drive*​
VLCD5, VLCD6, XH18, LCD3, 860C, 850C, SW102 used in conjunction with TSDZ2 mid drive*​
*Torque sensing PAS support​


Controllers and Controller Resources:​
Votol - Qima Technology​
Nanjing Fardriver - far-driver​
XLD (XunLiDa Electronics) Brainpower -​
JN (often labeled "DC MOTO CONTROLLER BY LITHIUM BATTERY" or "Brushless DC Motor Controller") -​
Bafang - OEM Area​
 
E-HP said:
KT LCD3 used in conjunction with TSDZ2 mid drive*VLCD5, VLCD6, XH18, LCD3, 860C, 850C, SW102 used in conjunction with TSDZ2 mid drive*
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Replace with ->
KT LCD3 used in conjunction with TSDZ2 Mid drive
SW102 - 850c - 860c ( Bafang displays ) used in conjunction with TSDZ2 Mid Drive
VLCD5 - VLCD6 - XH18 - DZ4x (?) - Okfeet 850c stock displays used in conjunction with TSDZ2 Mid Drive
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eventually ( didn't add hyperlinks, just plain text 'template' ). I didn't even know about the Okfeet display lol, I was always assuming it was 'just' the 850c from Bafang.

edit: and after trying to find out more about this 'Okfeet 850c' I guess I found out google was hallucinating again when it told me the 'Okfeet 850c is a distinct seperate display from the Bafang 850c'. Okfeet official Ali store page doesn't even list an Okfeet 850c ( and they are all KT displays like the LCD3 ). Maybe I shouldn't try to search for stuff with a fever lol

Which is why I think topics like there would be very welcome. Or if this all would be in this 'knowledge base' I keep seeing being mentioned by some ;)
 
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marka-ee said:
I just came across this thread. I'm especially interested in these generic looking controllers coming from China under various names or no name at all. I suspect that many of them share the same internal circuit board. Is there going to be any database or way to help identify these when people open them up and take a look at what's inside? Also of interest is some of these El Cheapo controllers from China do have features like regenerative braking, but you have to solder bridge something on the PC board.
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I'm pretty much pulling info from ES threads the info that I want to capture (rather than making bookmarks in my browser), so to the extent the info shows up in a thread, I'd try to add it. It would be great if someone unlocked the mystery behind those generic controller, but I'm having trouble finding the info on some fairly popular brands.

As far as those generic controllers and some of the branded ones go, I'm looking for good representative threads regarding how to reliably identify features that the generic boards support that haven't been implemented on the the particular version sold, mainly because the questions about adding a throttle or PAS, etc. come up a lot.
 
marvin78 said:
Replace with ->

eventually ( didn't add hyperlinks, just plain text 'template' ). I didn't even know about the Okfeet display lol, I was always assuming it was 'just' the 850c from Bafang.

Which is why I think topics like there would be very welcome. Or if this all would be in this 'knowledge base' I keep seeing being mentioned by some ;)
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I'm hoping/guessing the knowledge base will come through and make the info easier to access.
Problem is, right now my Newbie thread is supporting the DIY Kit Builder, and the DIY Component Builder/Upgrader, so more like newbie and novice levels. Some of the topics I'm adding to the latter are really more advanced, but I add them so newbies and novices know that there are options out there, and provide a bread crumb trail to some info in case they want to dig into things.
 
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