19" Motorcycle Wheels vs 26" Bicycle Wheels (rim and tires)

[Powervelocity.com]

Thanks. What about michelin, pirelli, IRC, vee rubber that you mentioned earlier?
Are they really lighter in the same sizes (17-3.0 19-2.50-2.75)? Any experience with them? I already have the rims and I like the size combo, just need to come up with a bit lighter tires.

Thanks.

maybe consider a matching 17" front wheel if you are mostly road riding..
that should be lighter than the lager diameter 19" wheel..
and you may consider a bit narrower tires..
17x2.5 or 17x2.75 would be lighter than 17x3 tire..

I've been running Shinkos 17-3.0 in the rear and 19-2.75 in the front and they have performed great. However, they do seem to add quite a weight, so I was looking maybe for a less beefy alternative, maybe something in 2 ply department. Has anyone used some lighter MC tires and can recommend good front-rear combos in these sizes?

 

[Rix]

Thanks. What about michelin, pirelli, IRC, vee rubber that you mentioned earlier?
Are they really lighter in the same sizes (17-3.0 19-2.50-2.75)? Any experience with them? I already have the rims and I like the size combo, just need to come up with a bit lighter tires.

Thanks.

maybe consider a matching 17" front wheel if you are mostly road riding..
that should be lighter than the lager diameter 19" wheel..
and you may consider a bit narrower tires..
17x2.5 or 17x2.75 would be lighter than 17x3 tire..

I've been running Shinkos 17-3.0 in the rear and 19-2.75 in the front and they have performed great. However, they do seem to add quite a weight, so I was looking maybe for a less beefy alternative, maybe something in 2 ply department. Has anyone used some lighter MC tires and can recommend good front-rear combos in these sizes?

I have experience with all the brands of tires you listed above, but I need to know which tires you are talking about as each brand has several different types.

 

[Rix]

QS V3 in a 18x1.60 rim with a shinko 241 18x2.50 compared to a 24 inch bicycle rim with a Felt Berm Master 3.0.
Shinko:
OD: ~59.5cm
Mounted and inflated ~75mm wide.
Weight for the shinko: 2430 grams.

If the pics are too big, pls tell me.

looks tough Ziltoid.

 

[Powervelocity.com]

I am thinking about dual sport kind of tires. Probably more road, less off-road.

I have experience with all the brands of tires you listed above, but I need to know which tires you are talking about as each brand has several different types.

 

[Rix]

I am thinking about dual sport kind of tires. Probably more road, less off-road.

I have experience with all the brands of tires you listed above, but I need to know which tires you are talking about as each brand has several different types.te]

For 17" tires, I have tried both Michelin M62 Gazzettes in 2.75-17 and 3.00-17. Not a bad tire in the dirt, great tire on the road. They also make that tire in 18" sizes, but not 19" sizes. IRC makes great trials (TR1) tires in both 17 and 18 x 2.75". My second favorite all around tire. Vee Rubber VRM021 2.75-19 is the lightest 19" trials tire I have tried. Its closer to a 2.50-19 size tire then 2.75. Good tire, I plan on running that tire on the front of my next build.

 

[Offroader]

I've been running Shinkos 17-3.0 in the rear and 19-2.75 in the front and they have performed great. However, they do seem to add quite a weight, so I was looking maybe for a less beefy alternative, maybe something in 2 ply department. Has anyone used some lighter MC tires and can recommend good front-rear combos in these sizes?

I also run the 17" x 3.0 shinko, this is a must on the rear.

For the front, I use a 26" duro razorback. That is perfect for the front, there is no reason for a MC tire on the front. The Duro Razorback gets a ton of abuse, and I never got a pinch flat or even a flat I can remember.

I would get rid of the front 19 x 2.75 and go bicycle tire for front. Your front suspension will also love it!

At least you realize that they add a lot of weight. There is unfortunately not much you can do for the rear as you need the strength there because of the heavy hub motor. Lowering air pressure helps to cushion the heavy rear.

 

[Powervelocity.com]

Thanks, Rix and Offroader. All good advice. I was also running bicycle tire in the front for sometime, but it was 26'' and I used it just because I had it laying around. It's a good feel to have the front not too heavy. The only concern is that the bike with different tires and rims does not look that much "stock".
The next question is what bicycle rim in 24'' would you recommend that would be looking good with prowheel or similar (black) MC rim in the back. I would like them to match as much as possible (no machined walls, etc.)?

 

[Kodin]

Alex Rims Supra 35? Decent width, no machined sidewall, and mostly black other than decals.

http://www.alexrims.com/product_detail.asp?sc=0&cat=22&pid=140

 

[Powervelocity.com]

Hmm, I like 35mm with, but I also see eyelets that's kind of problematic unless they can take 12G nipples. There seems to be no 24'' option either.

Alex Rims Supra 35? Decent width, no machined sidewall, and mostly black other than decals.

http://www.alexrims.com/product_detail.asp?sc=0&cat=22&pid=140

 

[Powervelocity.com]

Is 2430 grams the tire only weight? How does Shinko weight compare to Berm Master?

QS V3 in a 18x1.60 rim with a shinko 241 18x2.50 compared to a 24 inch bicycle rim with a Felt Berm Master 3.0.

Shinko:
OD: ~59.5cm
Mounted and inflated ~75mm wide.
Weight for the shinko: 2430 grams.


If the pics are too big, pls tell me.

 

[Powervelocity.com]

I've checked Vee Rubber VRM021 on manufacture's site, they claim to have sized I would be looking for - 3.00-17 for the rear and 2.75-19 for the front as shown here: http://www.veerubber.co.th/2013/?p=580&cur-cat=motorcycle

However, although VRM021 2.75-19 seem to be available for sale, VRM021 3.00-17 are nowhere to be sold. Only VRM022 pop up in that size and they have different thread pattern.
Any ideas where to buy VRM021 3.00-17?

For 17" tires, I have tried both Michelin M62 Gazzettes in 2.75-17 and 3.00-17. Not a bad tire in the dirt, great tire on the road. They also make that tire in 18" sizes, but not 19" sizes. IRC makes great trials (TR1) tires in both 17 and 18 x 2.75". My second favorite all around tire. Vee Rubber VRM021 2.75-19 is the lightest 19" trials tire I have tried. Its closer to a 2.50-19 size tire then 2.75. Good tire, I plan on running that tire on the front of my next build.

 

[Rix]

I've checked Vee Rubber VRM021 on manufacture's site, they claim to have sized I would be looking for - 3.00-17 for the rear and 2.75-19 for the front as shown here: http://www.veerubber.co.th/2013/?p=580&cur-cat=motorcycle

However, although VRM021 2.75-19 seem to be available for sale, VRM021 3.00-17 are nowhere to be sold. Only VRM022 pop up in that size and they have different thread pattern.
Any ideas where to buy VRM021 3.00-17?

For 17" tires, I have tried both Michelin M62 Gazzettes in 2.75-17 and 3.00-17. Not a bad tire in the dirt, great tire on the road. They also make that tire in 18" sizes, but not 19" sizes. IRC makes great trials (TR1) tires in both 17 and 18 x 2.75". My second favorite all around tire. Vee Rubber VRM021 2.75-19 is the lightest 19" trials tire I have tried. Its closer to a 2.50-19 size tire then 2.75. Good tire, I plan on running that tire on the front of my next build.

If you can get a VRM021 3.00-17 then a Duro HF307 3.00-17 would be a very close match to the VRM021 you will be running on the front. http://www.cedarrapidstire.com/category/19386/hf307-trials-tread-duro-motorcycle-tires. I have 2 of these tires just sitting around in my shop. I ran them when I had the 17x1.4 rim on the Bomber. They worked good. Harder tread than the Shinko SR241 3.00-17 tire, not quite as good as traction off road or on road, but will outlast the SR241 by at least 30%. The reason I mention this tire at all, is the tread compound on the VRM021 is also harder than the SR241 and these tires are close in that regard.

 

[ziltoid81]

Is 2430 grams the tire only weight? How does Shinko weight compare to Berm Master?

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Yes tire only.
I cant weigh the berm master cause i only have a used one......so its already lighter i guess.
For me the shinko isnt that heavy, cause i used another tire inside the berm master to reinforce my rear wheel.
The berm master alone was way to fragile.
Every little piece of glas or metal will pinch through the walls, once the the knobs in the miiddle of the tire are worn out.

 

[Powervelocity.com]

Thank you for your advice, guys. Apparently, it all cycles back to Shinko as being the top choice (at least, in dual sport department). Now, I know this might have been beaten to death, but what are your thoughts on SR241 vs. 244? A matter of taste? Any noticeable advantages of one tire over the other? I 've run 241 3-17 in the back and they seemed to be a bit noisy on the pavement but were pretty nice off-road. I now got 244 same size for a customer's build, and just by looking at the thread, I am thinking they must be a bit quieter. What are your experience on this another aspects of these two kinds of tires?

 

[ecycler]

The 244 is going to be a better road tire and roll a little smoother. Probably the biggest noticeable difference would be when trail braking. I personally prefer the gazelle over the 244, though as it gives me more confidence when leaned over on pavement.

On one of my bikes I am currently rocking a sr241 17x2.75 in the back and a Magic Mary 26" x 2.5 DH bike tire in the front and although it resembles a penny farthing bike a bit, it is a pretty magical combination! I have thought about moving to a heavier and less ideal 19 inch just to make it look a little less cartoonish, but I care more about function than form these days. I suppose it would make make large rocks and curbs a little easier to roll over though and help reduce pedal strike a bit...

 

[ecycler]

I suppose I missed saying that the 241 is much better off road than the 244 in my neck of the woods.

 

[Kodin]

Hey, at least you aren't running a 29 on the front!

 

[ziltoid81]

The skinnier versions of the 244 like 2.50 are looking indeed quite good to use it on pavement.
The bigger ones looking like serious offroad tires.

I guess the 241 perfomes well in all conditions.

 

[Baron]

QS V3 in a 18x1.60 rim with a shinko 241 18x2.50 compared to a 24 inch bicycle rim with a Felt Berm Master 3.0.

Shinko:
OD: ~59.5cm
Mounted and inflated ~75mm wide.
Weight for the shinko: 2430 grams.

If the pics are too big, pls tell me.

how are you liking that Felt Berm Master? how thick is the tire, and does it have any flat protection?

I'm looking for a dual-sport style 24" tire that has built in flat protection. Will be used with a thick DH tube for added protection.

looking at these right now:

Schwalbe Crazy Bob
Halo Twin Rail

open to suggestions

 

[Rix]

The Shinko SR241 in 2.75-3.00x17, 2.75-3.00x18 and 2.75-19 are the best all conditions tire that can be used on an ebike. It does everything well, pavement, gravel, dirt, sand, rocks, wet, dry, mud, you name it. They are other tires that do better in dirt, and other tires that are better on the road, but the SR241 is tops for doing both well, I keep going back to. I used to keep track of how many tires I have tried, I quite counting after 22 tires, that was back in 2014. For what its worth.

 

[ziltoid81]

how are you liking that Felt Berm Master? how thick is the tire, and does it have any flat protection?

I'm looking for a dual-sport style 24" tire that has built in flat protection. Will be used with a thick DH tube for added protection.

looking at these right now:

Schwalbe Crazy Bob
Halo Twin Rail

open to suggestions

Like i wrote before, once the knobs in the middle are worn out the berm master is done.
Even when there are a few mm.
The problem is that the "tire wall" will get to close to the ground when the knobs are done.
The wall is very thin, the berm only looks strong......the walls are like paper.

It blew me away how thick and strong the walls of a sr241 are......and the knobs are way longer too.
So all the glas and metal from the streets will only have contact with the knobs, and even when they have contact with the actual tire, its way stronger.
The shinko carries the bike barely, even when its deflated, a bicycle tire like the berm master goes completely flat.

In addition to that a berm master is way too expensive......a shinko is like 3 to 4 times stronger than a berm master but cost roughly the same.
Just hold a berm in the one and a shinko in the other hand. :wink:
You will drop the toy tire and go with the serious one.

Rix this is what i am guessing, the shinko 241 is the best allrounder.
Thanks for sharing your experience.

 

[Offroader]

Can't agree more the 241 is the best all around tire. For me I ride about 50% onroad and 50% offroad. Even when I want to take my bike out to ride offroad, I still ride about 50% onroad just to get to the trails.

The 241 wears away very slowly and is cheap also when you compare it to bicycle tires. You can ride it on the street without worry about wearing the knobs quickly.

I've only got one flat with the Shinko 241, that I believe happened from some kind of puncture riding down a few steps.

Tire is very smooth on the street, and grips very good on the trails. I prefer around 11-14 PSI, lower is better with a hub motor.

I've never tried the shinko 244, but the compound is most likely way to hard for an ebike. 3.00" shinko tires have softer compound which I find better, more like a bicycle tire.

 

[Kodin]

I do 90% pavement, maybe 10% gravel, no dirt. Been looking at Michelin Anakee III as it's got a very similar profile to a hookworm. Anyone tried them before?

This will be for my hubmotor in a 21" rim. Front is a Pirrelli MT66 80/90-21 on a 21" rim already.

 

[Baron]

do 18" moto tires fit on a 22" bike rim similar to how 16" moto tires fit on a 20" bike rim?

 

[Rix]

do 18" moto tires fit on a 22" bike rim similar to how 16" moto tires fit on a 20" bike rim?

I spoke with a guy that tried 18MC tire on a 22"BMX rim. The tire inflated to the point the tire bead was off the rim. I speculate if you can find a 22"BMX rim with a very tall rim wall, it could work.