3000W charger for bulk charging Lipos

hias9

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I am looking for a 2000W+ charger for bulk charging Lipos when on the road that fits in a backpack.
The best option I found so far is a 3000W charger that weights 2kg:
https://eauto.si/metron-shop/product/type2cee-3x16a-3-phase-carrier-case-copy/

Unfortunately the charging voltage cannot be adjusted after buying.
I usually use a 22S1P setup which I would charge 11S2P to 4.15V per cell with this charger.
Better would be a charger with adjustable voltage, so it would also work for 20S and 21S setups.
 
So you can put two in series for a 28s Li-ion pack? 6 kW charging for 4 kg mass is good going.
 
Yes, it is possible to put two of these in series, but it would only be capable of about 3.7kW @ 230VAC.
Must be a really huge li-ion pack to take full advantage of the 56amps charging.

It would be nice if there would be a charger like this with adjustable charging voltage.
 
Two Eltek FP2HE 3kw would get you flexibility between 88V-114V.
And total of 6kw or with the smaller 2kw units for 4kw max power.

Or the smaller Flatpack S 1800w x2 = 3,6kw total and only 900g x2

They can be changed with CAN commands.

Regards
/Per Eklund
 
pm_dawn said:
They can be changed with CAN commands.

So many chargers, DC/DC converters, inverters, BMS, you name it ... all use CAN and apparently you can change a stack of settings over CAN. But who in the DIY world has the resources to actually plug a device in with the right software and know exacly what to put where so that it changes a setting? There needs to be some easy-to-use CAN-USB dongle with the relevant software to make changes.

I like analogue stuff for this reason - easy to change a setting with a resistor or a nip of a trimpot. I'm just too dumb when it comes to CAN Bus and there is a dearth of information out there on how to use it in some meaningful way.
 
pm_dawn said:
Two Eltek FP2HE 3kw would get you flexibility between 88V-114V.
And total of 6kw or with the smaller 2kw units for 4kw max power.

Or the smaller Flatpack S 1800w x2 = 3,6kw total and only 900g x2

They can be changed with CAN commands.

Regards
/Per Eklund
Can these be put into service without the full enclosure by a noob using YT or blog post HowTo's?

What if I also bought a Smartpack controller?

242100.113 vs 242100.110, how can one learn about compatibility?
 
Not a good fit for OP, but the 700W Iota 48V units can be paralleled no problem.
 
Delta 1600 series. would need 2x paralleled.

Same 42 - 58 V adjustability range.

Say they use Orion controller, maybe a knockoff.

Will not work off "single-phase circuit", means would not work off regular USA household 10A or 15A circuit?
 
Are they any chargers available that can output something around 80-100VDC?
Or lighter and more compact 42-58V 1500W-1800W chargers?
Cannot draw more than 16amps at 230VAC, so two 3000W chargers would not make sense.
 
hias9 said:
Are they any chargers available that can output something around 80-100VDC?
Yes of course many dozens, but largely designed for hard wired and stationary EV use, portability is a pretty unique requirement for such hefty power territory.

> Or lighter and more compact 42-58V 1500W-1800W chargers?

The Delta unit I just posted brags about power density, and Delta is a global leader in telecom / industrial class power. See the data sheet for the units they use in order to do comparisons apples to apples.

> Cannot draw more than 16amps at 230VAC, so two 3000W chargers would not make sense.

My strategy is to use multiple units of 1000-1200W each, to give flexibility on inputs, ability to tap into multiple separate AC circuits,

then concurrently parallel the DC outputs together to get up to 3kW (when possible) from regular household or older campground circuits, or ones with other loads running. When / where such big feeds aren't available, make do with fewer units and amps, but keep voltage output within spec.

I need "global / universal" AC compatibility too 115/230V 50/60hz, which narrows choices as well.

Another approach, if you don't need to service loads while charging, is to create quick-disconnects between packs and charge each separately at lower voltage, since 12V and 24V rack-server PSUs from IBM, HP and Dell put out very clean power and are very robust, reliable and available very very cheaply.

Some are even quiet and relatively compact (energy dense).

Don't look at everything you need coming in one unit, it may be out there but likely not a bargain. Paralleling multiple units to me makes more sense, both for flexibility and redundancy if the use case is a mission critical one. Of course need to research and test for Common Reference / Return issues, not to mention true Earth, usually lacking in a mobile / Floating context.

Finally, you can put DC-DC chargers between your high-amps but less-adjustable 48+V PSUs and your battery packs with various voltage needs.

iCharger 4010-Duo and FMA Powerlab-8 come to mind.

As do Victron & Sterling's BB series, more robust / reliable but less flexible.
 
I have modified 3000W server PSUs and 4010s at home for balanced charging and don’t want to carry that in a backpack of course :wink:
It should be something as simple as possible to charge while making a break.
 
Unfortunately they're heavy, and relatively large, but the Meanwell HLG series LED PSUs are very easy to use in series or parallel or both.

But the 600w version, like I use (HLG-600H-54A), is something like 7-8 pounds, and the size of a good hardback book. This is because they are sealed and potted, so they're weatherproof, and resistant to physical abuse. They don't need fan cooling as long as they are exposed to the air.

They run on 115-230VAC (automatically adapting), and have adjustable voltage and current. The ones I have go up to 57.8V, IIRC, though I think they're only specified up to 54v. Mine also go up to 12A, but are only spec'd for 11A. So I get around 650-700w of charging, instead of just 600w, per PSU. I'm only using one built into the trike, but could use all four in parallel if my pack could handle that charging rate, or I had the spare pack on there paralleled with it.

All I have to do is plug the trike into the wall; the charger is wired to the pack all the time (which does drain it very slightly via the PSU's output LED), as long as the main battery switch is on. To set it up originally, I just had to adjust the output voltage and current, which in my case was to turn them both up to max.

The ones I use came to me used (can't remember for sure, but think it was a motorcycle's built-in charger), and were stuck together with doublesided foam tape, and wired in 2series-2parallel on the outputs, and all inputs paralleled, so it would've been at least 2400W of charging...but at 28-32pounds is kinda on the heavy side. :/ For my purposes, it'd be better to just carry that much more battery. But for yours, it might be better to carry that much charger; depends on what you do/how you ride/etc.



Meanwell also makes open-frame, lightweight, PSUs that do the same thing; I forget the series numbers but there's a lot of threads discussing Meanwell and other such PSUs that dont' need modding to use as chargers. They'd be much lighter, if not smaller, though you may have to add fans to them to use at their highest power levels.
 
john61ct said:
pm_dawn said:
Two Eltek FP2HE 3kw would get you flexibility between 88V-114V.
And total of 6kw or with the smaller 2kw units for 4kw max power.

Or the smaller Flatpack S 1800w x2 = 3,6kw total and only 900g x2

They can be changed with CAN commands.

Regards
/Per Eklund
Can these be put into service without the full enclosure by a noob using YT or blog post HowTo's?

What if I also bought a Smartpack controller?

242100.113 vs 242100.110, how can one learn about compatibility?

Hi !
Yes these can be put together without the rack.
There are also printable enclosures available on thingiverse that can be used.
There is a really good thread on this forum on how it can be done.

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=71139

Best Regards
/Per
 
jonescg said:
pm_dawn said:
They can be changed with CAN commands.

So many chargers, DC/DC converters, inverters, BMS, you name it ... all use CAN and apparently you can change a stack of settings over CAN. But who in the DIY world has the resources to actually plug a device in with the right software and know exacly what to put where so that it changes a setting? There needs to be some easy-to-use CAN-USB dongle with the relevant software to make changes.

I like analogue stuff for this reason - easy to change a setting with a resistor or a nip of a trimpot. I'm just too dumb when it comes to CAN Bus and there is a dearth of information out there on how to use it in some meaningful way.

But there is a really cheap and simple solution that works fine for these Eltek FP2HE and FP S versions.

All documented here:

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=71139

A 30 usd dongle with code from the thread above.
To unlock the power of these goodies is not to bad I would say.

Best Regards
/Per
 
hias9 said:
Are they any chargers available that can output something around 80-100VDC?
Or lighter and more compact 42-58V 1500W-1800W chargers?
Cannot draw more than 16amps at 230VAC, so two 3000W chargers would not make sense.

The Eltek Flatpack S comes in two versions 1000w and 1800w.
If you can pull 16A from a 240Vac the 1800w version should work.
Otherwise the 1000w version will still give you 2000w of total power if two in series is the combo.

https://www.eltek.com/globalassets/imported-documents/open/ds-241122.1x5.ds3-1-3-1.pdf
850g per unit is really non much..

Best Regards
/Per
 
Yes, I think the 1800W charger (or 2 in series) would be the best option.
Minimum voltage is a bit too high for 20S, but okay for 21S and 22S.

Just missing the ability of changing the output voltage without being that complicated.
 
they turn up pretty regularly

any other source will likely be **much** more expensive
 
john61ct said:
What is the advantage of the S variant?
Greater power density. Have you seen the size of the Flatpack '2' (2000/3000W) & 'S' (1000/1800W) compared against each other?:

20170426_142013.jpg
 
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