battery pack ?what is in it
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maybe you like to be uninformed
I think not stating the total chemistry is criminal
the real events say to me burning battery destroy buildings
and that is a risk better not taken if we know what is in the cell
LG is not forthcoming about chem
PRODUCT SPECIFICATION
CONFIDENTIAL
copyed from their pdf with zip said about the chemistry or fire
while others list the LiNiCoAlO2 fire prone cells like samsung does
I think not stating the total chemistry is criminal
the real events say to me burning battery destroy buildings
and that is a risk better not taken if we know what is in the cell
LG is not forthcoming about chem
PRODUCT SPECIFICATION
CONFIDENTIAL
copyed from their pdf with zip said about the chemistry or fire
while others list the LiNiCoAlO2 fire prone cells like samsung does
dude I was off grid in the 70's on a boat at anchor
used a ton of lead batterys
I own my house and do not want to burn it down
I have set power tool batterys on fire
trying to get 36v from 2 18 v packs of Li ryobi LG cells
so know it can happen
AND I THINK IT IS CRIMINAL TO JUST SAY Li CELLS WITHOUT THE FULL CHEMISTRY IN AN AD
now go troll elsewhere
used a ton of lead batterys
I own my house and do not want to burn it down
I have set power tool batterys on fire
trying to get 36v from 2 18 v packs of Li ryobi LG cells
so know it can happen
AND I THINK IT IS CRIMINAL TO JUST SAY Li CELLS WITHOUT THE FULL CHEMISTRY IN AN AD
now go troll elsewhere
Then it’s as simple as avoiding those batteries and buying ones that are clearly labeled. Not hard to do and even easier than whining about it after the fact. If you got duped,take it as a lesson and make a more informed purchase next time.
tell LG that
if you d/l their PDF no mention of battery chem at all just Li PROPRIETARY DATA
for many older cell types I checked
THAT IS WRONG
MOST E-BAY OR AMAZON ads DO NOT LIST CHEMISTRY
NOR MOST BIKE PACK ADS
NO CELL # BEYOND GENERIC 18650 SOMETIMES ie the can size not the content
that very wrong
and you are trolling support for that
so homes will burn
please stop doing that
if you d/l their PDF no mention of battery chem at all just Li PROPRIETARY DATA
for many older cell types I checked
THAT IS WRONG
MOST E-BAY OR AMAZON ads DO NOT LIST CHEMISTRY
NOR MOST BIKE PACK ADS
NO CELL # BEYOND GENERIC 18650 SOMETIMES ie the can size not the content
that very wrong
and you are trolling support for that
so homes will burn
please stop doing that
The data sheets for all brand name cells are abundantly available online.
e.g. https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0721/2761/1190/files/LG-MJ1.pdf?v=1714078571
As Chalo said "Caveat emptor", its up to the consumer to educate themselves, for their own safety. The seller just wants to sell. They won't be spoon feeding you, regardless of whether you vent using all caps or not. You've proven already that if you use/abuse batteries other than how they are intended and without knowledge, that even a tool battery with safety mechanisms in place can be set on fire. Hence my recommendation for lead acid, for your safety. There's only so much a manufacturer can do to protect their product from the consumer.
e.g. https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0721/2761/1190/files/LG-MJ1.pdf?v=1714078571
As Chalo said "Caveat emptor", its up to the consumer to educate themselves, for their own safety. The seller just wants to sell. They won't be spoon feeding you, regardless of whether you vent using all caps or not. You've proven already that if you use/abuse batteries other than how they are intended and without knowledge, that even a tool battery with safety mechanisms in place can be set on fire. Hence my recommendation for lead acid, for your safety. There's only so much a manufacturer can do to protect their product from the consumer.
Chalo
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Lead acid batteries can splash you with sulfuric acid if you goof around with them. They can throw bits of molten metal if you short them.
Best stick with potato batteries.
I recall waiting in line at a parking garage while two guys were trying to jump start their car. When I saw the guy connect red to the negative battery terminal, I put my car in reverse without hesitation. I just made it far enough to not get hit by the geysers of acid shooting out of both batteries. I don't think the guy got hit, but he was jumping around in a panic until the geysers stopped. It was sort of funny after the fact since there were no injuries, but scary when it happened.
BS
yes I get the fire battery is more power and a bit cheaper
EVERY WHERE BOTH NEW AND USED
real world I feel safer with less fire dangers
and really feel some here are playing with fire
and REGULATION TO FORCE FULL DISCLOSURE IS NEEDED
AS I ONLY WANT FeP VERSIONS
yes I get the fire battery is more power and a bit cheaper
EVERY WHERE BOTH NEW AND USED
real world I feel safer with less fire dangers
and really feel some here are playing with fire
and REGULATION TO FORCE FULL DISCLOSURE IS NEEDED
AS I ONLY WANT FeP VERSIONS
BlueSwordM
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To be fair, the safest widely available chemistry currently is NiMH.
The safest worthwhile widely available chemistry currently are LFP cells.
The safest future cells will be sodium/potassium-ion with aqueous electrolytes: literally fireproof cells
The safest worthwhile widely available chemistry currently are LFP cells.
The safest future cells will be sodium/potassium-ion with aqueous electrolytes: literally fireproof cells
That junk crap battery you ordered in post #8 clearly states lithium ion on the page, yet you still bought it. Sorry you didn't pay attention or were blinded by allure of a super duper "deal", even though looking at the description, its so easy to figure out its a scam in all ways; but good lesson for less than a 100 bucks.
LG doesn't make battery packs. They make cells, that have a clear part number printed on them, that corresponds to a detailed data sheet, just like every other cell manufacture does.
REFUND CAME THRU
so no real loss
now the posted link to LG's PDF
HAS NO NONE ZIP CHEMISTRY DATA
only said li no real chemistry for the fire cell I own and wanted chemistry data
as did several other LG PDF's on other cells
lots of el data zip for what is in the cell beyond Li something we ain;t telling you
so no real loss
now the posted link to LG's PDF
HAS NO NONE ZIP CHEMISTRY DATA
only said li no real chemistry for the fire cell I own and wanted chemistry data
as did several other LG PDF's on other cells
lots of el data zip for what is in the cell beyond Li something we ain;t telling you
Lithium ion is the chemistry.
As opposed to lead acid, lithium iron phosphate, nickel metal hyrdride, alkaline, etc. The battery industry uses common names for describing products, just like people say baking soda rather than sodium bicarbonate or NaHCO3.
Sorry you feel silly for buying that crappy pack, but at least you got your money back, so you don't need to keep on making up excuses for being duped.
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ok we seem to have basic disagreement
has I see hiding behind Li as not saying the chemistry of fire cells
as both LiFePO and the (lithium nickel manganese) chemistry could be Li
I guess the few makers of the LiFePO packs will tell you they use the LiFePO
in their ads while the fire cell guys will claim Li only
never list (lithium nickel manganese) aka fire cells any where in there ads
has I see hiding behind Li as not saying the chemistry of fire cells
as both LiFePO and the (lithium nickel manganese) chemistry could be Li
I guess the few makers of the LiFePO packs will tell you they use the LiFePO
in their ads while the fire cell guys will claim Li only
never list (lithium nickel manganese) aka fire cells any where in there ads
Well for battery packs using lithium cells, only a few chemistries are used, and common names are used when selling to the consumer. While they all may be "lithium-ion" based, which type is marketed to the consumer using terms like Lithium ion, LiFePO4, LiPO, etc.
Just like there are many chemistries for "salt", but when the term is used, the consumer knows they are getting sodium chloride.
If a food manufacturer has salt listed as an ingredient, but put ammonium chloride in the food instead, they'd be sued/fined/thrown in jail, even though they listed "salt" in the ingredients, since the common name refers to sodium chloride. Similarly, consumers know what lithium ion refers to vs the others, although technically the term could refer to something more broad.
reading here and other sites
many feel hi-quaility name brand cells are ok even if Li-NMC chemistry
tesla had fires with their very high quality cells
SO NO
THEY MAY BURN LESS
OR BE HARDER TO START
BE A BIT SAFER
BUT A Li-NMC CELL/PACK WILL/CAN BURN
THAT IS MY POINT
THEY DO BURN
many feel hi-quaility name brand cells are ok even if Li-NMC chemistry
tesla had fires with their very high quality cells
SO NO
THEY MAY BURN LESS
OR BE HARDER TO START
BE A BIT SAFER
BUT A Li-NMC CELL/PACK WILL/CAN BURN
THAT IS MY POINT
THEY DO BURN
Are you concerned about your flashlight batteries too?
Anything with a high concentration of energy stored in it can be dangerous, just to various degrees. You set your own comfort level which is a balance of the chemistry, and the knowledge applied while using or charging them. Less knowledge and improper precautions are as dangerous as the chemistry, or even more. I'm always present when charging my batteries. I apply precautions based on the risk. If you're going to plug in the charger and come check it in the morning, then lead acid is the way to go, since no precautions are being applied.
Anything with a high concentration of energy stored in it can be dangerous, just to various degrees. You set your own comfort level which is a balance of the chemistry, and the knowledge applied while using or charging them. Less knowledge and improper precautions are as dangerous as the chemistry, or even more. I'm always present when charging my batteries. I apply precautions based on the risk. If you're going to plug in the charger and come check it in the morning, then lead acid is the way to go, since no precautions are being applied.
Chalo
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Contrarian, I respect that. My contrariness is against cars, an actual hazard despite being every normie's first worst resort. But you can pick your battles, rational or not.
Maybe go get something full of gasoline and feel safe from accidental battery fire.
My guess is you have a lithium ion battery in the phone in your pocket. Which of course is just as safe as the one in an e-car.
This must really outrage you. Nowhere on the packaging does Duracell show the battery chemistry. They don't even say Alkaline-Manganese-Dioxide.
Zn + 2MnO2 - ZnO + Mn2O3
They just do like LG does, and post the data sheet on their website. CRIMMINAL.
They use the simple common name, alkaline, but only on the back of the packaging. They do refer to their Power Boost Ingredients though. Think of that cop with the flashlight exploding in his pocket, while the battery was neither discharging or charging!!
Better toss all of your remote controls, and anything else with an alkaline battery. Or wait for them to explode, then sue the bastards. I think you're onto something. You could fix this and help everyone!
no but a biz op presents
replace the common fire batterys with far less combusting one's
in several common items like a bike or power tools found the homes
I wonder if the gov tracks job site power tool fires ?
I have seen non brand packs for most tools
but is anyone offering the safer cells FeP in them
or in phone replacements
actually I seldom carry a phone
not addicted and or tracked to excess as I retired 24 years ago
replace the common fire batterys with far less combusting one's
in several common items like a bike or power tools found the homes
I wonder if the gov tracks job site power tool fires ?
I have seen non brand packs for most tools
but is anyone offering the safer cells FeP in them
or in phone replacements
actually I seldom carry a phone
not addicted and or tracked to excess as I retired 24 years ago
exactly why we use diesel on sail boats
and the same sailors say never use car packs with fire cells on boats
only safe Li is FeP chemistry
I think before very long insurance the industry I hate will kill the fire cells
as they simply will not pay if they catch fire as we know they can and will do
Chalo
100 TW
Lithium titanate also.
However, a janky homemade pack made with the safest lithium cells will be more of a fire hazard than an automotive pack from a six sigma facility and using as you call them "fire cells" (even though they approximately never catch fire even in the custody of the most retarded humans who ever lived).
So enjoy your preconceptions, but the world is going to move on without you. Maybe we can meet again in sodium ion land.
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