Bazaki first E-bike

Bazaki said:
It is so much fun to ride this, way more fun then every motorcycle I have been driving :mrgreen:

Welcome to high power ebikes! When I tell people the same thing they never believe, so now I just leave it as "It's incredibly fun, but I can't really explain it. You have to experience it."

I love the build, at least everything but that big red key. It's definitely one of the cleanest high power rigs around. Congrats, your hard work paid big dividends.

John
 
Very nice build !
I can reach my power connector easily if I have to but I need a key like that so I can keep my son and his teenage friends from swiping my bike when I am not looking :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
 
torker said:
Very nice build !
I can reach my power connector easily if I have to but I need a key like that so I can keep my son and his teenage friends from swiping my bike when I am not looking :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

I agree that key switches are appropriate, but the controller has a low current wire for that purpose. It turns off the brain of the controller, and with a brushless motor that also functions as an emergency cutoff. Big switches and contactors are a carryover from brushed motors that do require the ability to cut mains power in some runaway conditions. A brushless motor can't do anything without the controller brain, which draws less than a 1/10th of an amp. That way also keeps the main capacitors charged, so there's not the big arcing that is going on in those big switches and will quickly wear them out, possibly welded in the ON position. As they wear, the contact becomes poor, so they can get hot and represent a fire hazard. Lastly the inrush of current also wears on the capacitors reducing their life, potentially leading to a premature controller failure.

A fuse is what is required on the battery mains to automatically protect from fire risk or battery damage in the event of a short.

John
 
I never thought it that way, I never knew that the lifespan of the capacitors would decrease this way. Are you sure about this ?

The main reason of the big switch was to prevent the battery drain empty of the controller. I don't know exactly how much ma the controller will take, also installed the Speedict Ebike bluetooth module direct after the main switch, I guess this speedict will also take a few ma in standby mode.

It's true that this main switch welds together after each start, I have to switch it off at a fast way so the contacts become loose again.

There should be a way to prevent the sparks when connecting a resistor between it before connecting the controller. But how exactly this can be done in only one handeling I don't know.

Would it matter to the capacitors lifespan if we slowely charge them by adding a resistor ? Or just the hard way like I am doing right now ?
 
If you park your bike unused for weeks, then yes disco the battery. Just measure what the current draw is, at idle and while off but connected.

There is a spark each time and those get bigger with increased voltage. The contacts don't weld each time. Instead they get damaged and blackened and pitted with each arc. Eventually they will either weld together in the on position or fail to make a good contact at all.

Yes, you're talking about a precharge resistor circuit. That gets turned on first, slowly charging the capacitors, and then the main switch. All the big controller companies for everything but ebikes have precharge resistor circuits it in their wiring diagrams. At lower typical ebike voltages, 24V-36V, the spark is not as significant.

I don't have a precharge resistor circuit on mine, because I so rarely disconnect the battery from the controller. If I do disconnect, then when I reconnect, I use a fat resistor to make the connection first and charge the caps, and then make my connection. Even that would be difficult the way yours is wired, because making the connection also turns the controller on, so that power drain would draw down the capacitors charge fairly quickly. You'd have to charge and then quickly make the connection. Your controller has a wire specifically for a switch, use it.

Yes, google precharge resistors, and capacitors current inrush. Dr.Bass actually blew something else on a controller that he believed was directly caused when he forgot to use his precharge. Wear on caps is definitely real, but not something easily quantifiable. Wear on switches is real and visible.

I wouldn't even mention it regarding such a beautifully built bike if the issues weren't real, because the last thing I want to do is be critical of hard work, especially hard work that turn out good enough to be an example for us all. A number of people have used those same switches, and typically they are in appropriate. The key itself is kinda cool, big and prominent on the side of the bike. Use it on the controller wire meant for the on/off switch, the smaller positive wire on the controller, and put your bluetooth thing on that switched circuit too. Then you just need to disco the battery when your bike is unused for long periods.

One last thing that I think you asked about, as I understand, turning that switch off under load (like a runaway bike condition) could result in a failure of the switch welding it in the ON position. That kind of failure would be pretty rare I'm sure, but just last week our microwave's power cord somehow welded itself in the electrical socket, something I've never seen before. Almost every time I'm welding, I get the electrode stuck to the metal at least once while trying to strike an arc, and the amps for welding aren't a lot higher that some of us use on our bikes.
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John
 
Good info thanks !

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I just draw this painting, the above diagram is the old/present situation.
below is my idea, this should work fine I think ?? The only thing is to make sure both switches are off when leaving the bike.
And make sure that you don't ride without the main switch ON, I am not sure what will happen with the resistor.

Every simple little switch can do the job, any better idea's ? critics are also welcome :D
 
I am interested here as well, will his diagram work? I have never really paid attention to the spark until now...
 
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My Bazaki Bike from a RC plane view :D



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7m-F6BOZgI








:D
 
Very cool!
 
shorza said:
Would connecting the red controller wire that turns the controller on (not sure what it's called) before the main positive wire pre-charge the caps?

I am also wondering this? It would seem the designers would incorporate something like this?
 
Hey People, 2 friends of mine build the same bike as I have, one of them is finished and has the same specs as I have.
But instead of the X5304 HUB he has the X5305 Chrystalyte.

How come mine is so much faster ? Also from a dead stop.

Lyen controller 18 fet set at 80 Amp with 18S2p lipo (66,6v 10ah ) 75v of the charger.

We programmed the same parameters.

We have the 3 way speed switch, with 30% at switch 1 55% at switch 2 and 120% at switch 3.

My 5304 at switch 2 is just as fast as the 5305 at switch 3.

Both read 80 amps with the amp clamp, the 5305 eat just as much amp, kw, mah whatever, but has a much lower speed, torque, power.

So any idea's why the 5305 is so much slower, at every speed. :?:
 
I made a new video, check it out.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuVVA_ZoeRc





:mrgreen: :mrgreen:




EDIT:

This is also fun.
Some guys with a 300CC Quad, I saw them playing around and asked to do a small race

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdNkJ0jyC34



Ofcourse they lost ! :D
 
the 5305 or 5304 numbers indicate the number of times copper wire is actually wound arround the teeth of your stator; this affects your torque vs top speed. The smaller number should have less torque and more top speed. So it makes perfect sense yours goes "faster". On a hill at a speed he can reach he should take less energy to do the same speed as you, but at high voltage this effect becomes harder to see in torque terms. Easier to notice the way you have noticed, that his top speed is simply less. He would need to increase his volts to go faster.
 
also that rc camera is sick, and running red light cams is also brilliant!
 
Bazaki said:
The only thing is to make sure both switches are off when leaving the bike.
And make sure that you don't ride without the main switch ON, I am not sure what will happen with the resistor.

Every simple little switch can do the job, any better idea's ? critics are also welcome :D
All looks good.

(Trying to run without main switch closed should do little, since the resistor is holding current down... controller should instantly hit LVC.)

Great vids and pics. :D
 
Thanks guys !

But no my 5304 does not only feel faster than the 5305.It really is much faster.

My and my buddy ride together a lot and mine is extremely much faster, also on a hill or whatever surface.

We ride on 18s Lipo and a week ago my buddy did use 24s on his 5305, so that is 100v with 100a, and now our bikes were exactly just as fast. ( I use 80 amp )

But I use 6500 watt and he used about 9000 watt.

Yesterday we went ebiking in the forrest and we both have 18s lipo and my buddy with his 5305 use much more amp/hour than I did and his HUB also has a much Higher Temp than my 5304. We both were riding with the same accelaration and braking.

Another friend is building a bike with a 5305 and we will see how it will end up.

So untill now there is no speed where the 05 is superior to the 04 :!:
 
Hey! nice bike!

Did you build a hub motor winch yet? I made one with a "1000w" (1600W peak) hub motor, need to find more battery to do some real wakeboarding ;)
 
Interessting, how did you build a winch with a HUB ? Any pics to share ?
 
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I painted it and slightly modded the pulley set-up since that, but thats's the idea :) 100m of Kites lines, 12fet at 40A and 12s A123. It lacks some speed right now but thats fixable. The good thing about it is that it is really lightweight and transportable 8)
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Looking gooood ! :D

But a deep waterstart will never be possible I think, but with a place like at the video you won't need it anyway !

Nice !
 
Well with more watts i don't see why a deep water start wouldn't be possible! I need to work on this thing but its just so reliable right now! Anyway if you have a spare motor somewhere and 3 hour of free time, make one of those for urban wakeboarding :twisted:
 
Yeah maybe a deepwater start is possible, if I see how much torque and power my 72v x 80 amp HUB is delivering......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqoDInSJsRU

Another video of my en my friend's E-bike. :D






It was fun again ! :D
 
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