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Building a second ebike. I built the first from a Airwheel R3 which had a frame that was designed by someone who never had to live in fear of using it

Not all that strange … you’re an atypical customer for this type of product, being someone who cares about specifications and performance. I feel for you, but it’s improbable you’ll find answers here. The obvious thing to do is email the manufacturer, distributor, or retailer.

Failing that, this product will be a repainted generic Chinese thingy, and an image search should reveal dozens of identical Chinese thingys with different branding, some of the vendors of which might publicise the information you seek without you having to request it.
 
I was thinking of buying one of those but thought I'd better sleep on it first.

Well I woke up with a nightmare about folders and called it off.
 
Thanks- awesome responses! I have determined the wattage of the wheel motor from doing a random search as you suggested. I figured at the price these products are marketed at, most of the main parts will be standard issue as they are mass produced. The only real differences being the quality of the accessories, until of course you get into really high end machines.
From the fact that I got this from a local auction house for a pittance, and it did not have a broken bike attached to it I could assume that the former owner was throwing it out, after upgarding to a more powerful motor.
After talking to my brother who knows a bit more about batteries and power ratios than I do, I looked carefully at the wiring. The gauge and configuration of the main motor connection wires are the same on both the wheel and the battery pack. However, while the battery unit has standard insulation color codes; the wiring isulation colors on the wheel has the same color codes but the colors appear 'faded'. The color shade is consistent under the exterior casings, and the same as a "Segway Ninebot" brand scooter, so my next search will be to check out the technical specs [and visuals] for that brand. I doubt these guys change their manufacturing specs when cranking stuff out in mega volumes. Robots deal in bulk not specialties.
However I need to do a bit more research-I don't like the thought of damaging the unit I have. Replacement will be difficult for many reasons, including the recent Luddite-like attacks on ebike and scooter use in public space. I will report back with the result for everyone's interest. Cheers!
 
No... you're wrong, its not like that at all. If you expect to be able to use one of these machines as transport you have to be very smart.
The personal mobility retail market here is flooded with, larger framed ebike and escooter models, with unwelcome disproportionate features like mismatched frames and tiny sized wheels, or designed for sports and off road use, standard, and often under-powered, heavy large framed 'Granny' style bikes and small fold up ebikes and scooters with very little power output. These are designed to be used by average to tall adults. Anyone who falls outside of these proportions have to 'make do' with a machine with a frame that is really too large to use comfortably, or a tiny little scooter type machine that often is underpowered and uncomfortable to ride. Also there is a huge push to keep the prices high, so fewer people can afford them.
This initiative is about environmental 'health and safetyism'. The authorities and the industry work to a 'social narrative'. None of these institutions want to be responsible for the consequences of this mode of transport being readily available, or being attractive to 'troublesome teens and youth', who in their perspective, would be more likely to use them irresponsibly.
Historically, this technolgy has been around since the turn of the 19th-20th century. New York authorities banned it. see- "The first electric scooter, known as the Autoped, hit shops in 1915 New York;" for a fascinating history lesson.
The strategy has failed spectacularly. A proportion of people do absolutely use the new transport technology dangerously and irresponsibly. What has happened is a lot of needless and hysterical finger-pointing. Also trying to get suitable travel infrastructure developed so using cycle technology as a serious transport option isn't dangerous has been like pulling teeth. But it is happening. I acquired these machines because I'd had to stop driving. They were the best available choice at that time .
After owning 2 escooters which rattled themselves to pieces on the rough pavements, I stopped buying and have a new hobby designing my own machines for me to use. Embarrassingly, I bought a small quality beach cruiser pushbike which outperformed the available 250w machines mainly because the bodywork and the motor weight on the scooters cancelled out its ability to move with any better efficiency.
AT 250w which is slightly below the legal power limit, allowed to be used in public spaces in this country, means that both machines perform equally well until they hit a incline, and many 'low end' scooters are equally dangerous on steep downhills, and uneven ground due to a lack of braking power, and tiny wheels.
I found the pushbike had more climbing power than the escooter. But, a 250w ebike has the advantage of being able to use pedal power as well which makes a huge difference to performance. The particular escooters I bought have a 'plug and play' power train where the battery and controller is in a cased unit, attached to exterior of the frame; unlike many models which integrate the battery with the frame. This means they can be transferred intact onto another bike frame. The throttle works off the controller which in turn sends power to the hub motor. Brakes, and pedals work independently.
Although the legal power limit here is 300w, the market is small, so most machines imported are compliant with [lower]overseas standards. Anything more powerful is either restricted to 'off road' or has to be registered like any other car or motorcycle, and therefore children are prevented from using them in public spaces.
 

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Likely nowhere. If the assembler had a spool of 8-core cable on hand, they'd happily use it for a six wire application, leaving two cores unused.

The trimmed wires are unlikely to be the cause of your bike not working. To help determine this, you could trace them back to their origin. Where do the other ends of the cut wires terminate?
 
yea- if the wires got snipped somehow, you'd still be able to find the other end of the wire from wherever it terminates on the board.
I just spent a few minutes browsing that manufacturer website... it really pisses me off wondering what kinds of actually awesome products cold be made if the makers actually spent some time making a good device instead of something that makes a good brochure.... like that little 8 inch wheel bike- that could be really neat- I mean, its a stupid idea and should really just be a stand up folding scooter with a seat post mounted to the deck- and speaking of seats... what an irritating design they used for their seat?!? first of all, those two pads? I feel like they chose a shape that would allow them to make their seat a folding design, which while eye catching in their little animation, is the stupidest thing in the first place.

Their 16 inch bike... "with a unique tread pattern" jesus christ get out of here. I really like the idea of a 16 inch, which is why im currently trying to mod/lenghen the front fork of an old dahon folder to accept a crystalite wheel designed for a brompton, which the fork is slightly too short for (im going with two pieces of steel bolted around each fork end with bolts located around the fork and with a bolt going through where the existing axle slot is along with an additional little hole above the slot that I enlarged slightly to accept an m4.

But their pack- a 10s2p? Branded Li-ion battery guarantees sufficient power supply. Protected by 8 circuit protections, it is more efficient and safer. yea im sure it is and I bet it's super-duper.
 
Hell

Hello I have Airwheel R3S a bicycle that wasn't in working. Now that I've taken it, I see that two wires in the cable have been cut, where they connect.
I hope you are comfortable with a multimeter. is the battery is appropriately charged, and the bike somehow indicates that it's "on"? does it have a throttle? if it has PAS and a throttle, it would be strange that both stopped working at the same time. it helps to know how/when something stopped working (I had a bike stop working yesterday after I had a throttle physically break then the one I installed didnt work so I brought it inside and discovered that the wiring harness I'd assembled, id done improperly (not the way I usually do it- I have red/green for power and ground with white being signal. here I had green and white switched) which was really the only logical thing.

did it just not turn on one day when you went to use it? was it after leaving it alone for months?
Did it die when you were trying to accelerate up a hill or to some higher speed?
after you went over some serious bumpy terrain?
after it rained?
 
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