Could this truly be a sine wave upgraded BBSHD Controller???

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Hey guys I am new, I ride a 28 year old FS Mongoose. It has the standard BBSHD 52V Mid on it. I believe I have found a company that is adding sine wave to the controllers. The reason it caught my attention was the NEW, slow start option without the jerk start. Of course, I have my start amps lowered so it's not really that bad. However, I hope this could be a sine, pun intended, that there might just be a next gen controller out there. I am strongly considering buying on a yet, my buddy thinks it's bs and it's just a stock controller. Could it be possible???? Thanks in advance! Here is the link. I am waiting for their 2nd response as to if by chance a torque sensor was part of this upgrade. Upgraded Bafang Mid-Drive Motor Controller for BBSHD BBS Motor Conversion Kits | eBay


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Below are the Item Description images and text from the linked page. Nowhere in it that I can see does it say there is anything different about htis from the standard controller, except two differences it points out in an image, that the one being sold has connectors for a front lamp and a gear sensor.

EDIT: it also mentions an "added slow start function", which has nothing to do with sine or trap drive; all that means is that the controller limits current more than it is actually being commanded to by the user, upon initiation of user command to apply power. Unless that's a user-alterable / configurable / disableable function, it's not really a plus for some systems or users, though it could certainly make the system easier on the gearing, and clutches in the motor system.

As far as sinewave vs trap version: if you do a web search for BBS Sine controller, there are results that say that's what they are. I don't know what difference you need that to make in your system vs the trap drive, though. (it might make it a little quieter, but I expect all the gear noise is louder than the controller)


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Appreciate that @amberwolf ! Yeah, now it is stock. My concern is with added 30amps, might be a bit too jumpy. Interesting though, that is is labeled as a sine on stock, as you mentioned. I have seen others try to replace the throttles but no clear outcomes that I have found. One of the other reasons for the inquiry, is the fact that I am running a 42 front and single 18 in the back. I know this can potentially cause issues with a large enough jolt. Just trying to mitigate any fires lol. As far as the noise, I am really impressed. At least as a stock version, pretty darn silent. I'll keep digging and see what the supplier response with and update. Thanks again as always. :unsure:
 
My concern is with added 30amps, might be a bit too jumpy.
What "added 30 amps"?


Interesting though, that is is labeled as a sine on stock, as you mentioned.

I did not say it was sine on stock. Can't find anything in this thread that leads to that conclusion?

I suspect you are either not clearly reading what is being posted, or you are not typing the actual words that mean what you intend to post. If you would re-read and then clarify your responses it would help us help you better.


Assuming that you mean that yours is already labelled as sine, why would you be excited about adding that to your system?



I have seen others try to replace the throttles but no clear outcomes that I have found.
What does replacing throttles have to do with any of the things mentioned in the thread?

If you want to replace your throttle, you should look for replacement throttles, not replacment controllers.




One of the other reasons for the inquiry, is the fact that I am running a 42 front and single 18 in the back. I know this can potentially cause issues with a large enough jolt. Just trying to mitigate any fires lol.

What issues?

I haven't read of any fires with these systems in threads here on ES.


As far as the noise, I am really impressed. At least as a stock version, pretty darn silent.

If it's already silent, what do you expect adding sine control method to do for you?
 
UPDATE: Seller says clearly for the 2nd time that it is in fact a sine wave controller. Apparently, they put this together last year. They have pretty fantastic reviews and looks legit. However, as you mentioned, maybe they always have been? I feel like I want to just give one a go and see iff my buddy can still program and upgrade it. (From 28A to 60A) If it's not then well, lol, I have a new controller.
 

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I have a four year-old bbs02 and that thing is as smooth as silk.
Yeah, mine is not bad at all actually. But, that's with the 28 amps. Now, add another 30 to that and...... I've read about a getting bucked off to the dirt :ROFLMAO:
 
What "added 30 amps"?




I did not say it was sine on stock. Can't find anything in this thread that leads to that conclusion?

I suspect you are either not clearly reading what is being posted, or you are not typing the actual words that mean what you intend to post. If you would re-read and then clarify your responses it would help us help you better.


Assuming that you mean that yours is already labelled as sine, why would you be excited about adding that to your system?




What does replacing throttles have to do with any of the things mentioned in the thread?

If you want to replace your throttle, you should look for replacement throttles, not replacment controllers.






What issues?

I haven't read of any fires with these systems in threads here on ES.




If it's already silent, what do you expect adding sine control method to do for you?
The entire premise is simply to truly smooth out the throttle. With the current stock BBSHD, it is pretty smooth, but, be in the level 9 and it's GO TIME. Adding the 30 amps to the existing 28, which is what it currently has, is a pretty serious jump. And, I have read by doing this it can jet from go, leaving some on the ground. I was just hoping someone may have already gone through this and could possible confirm the possibility of this seller not being a joke and or scammer. I apologize for not being a bit more clear. Sorry about that bro. :)
 
Never had any issue with the noise. According to what I've read, other brands are now including not only sine wave for smoother acceleration, but also torque sensors instead of cadence sensors. One actually has a toggle between the two.
 
From where does those additional 30Amps supposedly come from? It's pretty much at the limit already.

Could just flash with bbs-fw, and be done w/"smoothing the throttle" while using as many Amps,
as the controller does support even(iirc. 30A, and no more - bbs02 can do 33A fwiw.).
 
From where does those additional 30Amps supposedly come from? It's pretty much at the limit already.

Could just flash with bbs-fw, and be done w/"smoothing the throttle" while using as many Amps,
as the controller does support even(iirc. 30A, and no more - bbs02 can do 33A fwiw.).
I got a guy! LOL. It's basically a shunt mod in many cases. Changing the resistors I believe. I can hook you up with my guy, but, yes, it works! And, it is still totally programmable just like the stock. But, the amps show 1/2 of the actual amps. This guy does a bunch of them. And, only like 130.00. Really cool guy! You can reach him here: Facebook

Just tell em Big Red sent ya!
 
Update: Almost forgot for those that may have an interest. The folks with the "Upgraded BBSHD Controllers" Had a bit more information with regard to programming as follows: For UART protocol, there is a USB program cable.For CAN protocol, we have a few meters that can change the parameter.They are all sine waves, not torque sensors, but speed sensors.‌‍‍‍‌‌‍‌‍‌‍‍‌‌‌‍‌‍‌‌‌‌‍‍‍‌‍‌‌‌‌‍‍‌‍‍‌‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‌:)
 
I had kept seeing discussions that the new controllers could handle way more than the 30a set by Bafang. Problems arise in that they just can't sustain it and get pushed too far too often by the unknowing.
 
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