DIY Solar Power

I'm installing a off grid photovoltaic system for my parents house in the mountains, I was surprised that I was able to get the panels for $2.38 a watt. The whole installation (that includes labor) for a 2.5KW system will come in at a little under $15,000.00. The batteries I was able to get from a hospital that was dumping them after a years use, all 40 of them.

Even at this cheap of a cost, it will never break even with what the utilities charge, but it is looking up, when I first looked into a system, the cheapest panels I could find were $4 to $5 a watt. The inverter was like three grand (did not go the cheapest route here), those should definitely drop in price real fast.

Deron.
 
spinningmagnets said:
http://www.otherpower.com has a section for DIY steam-generators. DIY solar-steam is possible, but for a given power, ORC (freon steam) is easier and cheaper. That is if you want to condense the vapor and re-use it (more efficient, less heat for total watts generated because you're boiling hot fluid instead of cold fluid), however...

Its pretty simple to make a total-loss system. Boil water with free wood, run the steam through a uniflow one-cylinder from a converted air-compressor, and the exhausted steam just vents to atmosphere. Can't get much cheaper and easier than that. For solar steam, concentrator would have to be VERY large. Have fun...


is it possible to reverse engineer somthing from the back of a fridge? without letting the refrigerant escape? perhaps focus the light onto the cooling fins on the back some how?
 
I don't think so, but I don't know anyone who's tried modifying an old fridge.

Two systems that are growing in popularity are geothermal ORC, and concentrated solar with heat storage.

As to geothermal, not every place has 300F+ within 1,000-ft of the surface, but its a great option for anyplace that does. The Chena Hot Springs resort in Alaska has near total darkness 6 months a year, so solar wasn't an option. It does have beastly wind, but the wind is a sporatic on/off resource. They replaced a dozen diesel generators with a geothermal ORC. Freon boils at a much lower temp than water, and then requires much less cooling BTU's than water-steam.

The equipment they used was converted by a large industrial air-conditioning company (Carrier Group), and they are now designing systems for other sites. Raser industries in Utah does the same thing.

The SEGS plant in the Mojave desert uses solar concentrators to heat a pipe filled with a non-boiling salt syrup that is then stored in an underground insulated pit at around 900F. During peak electrical demand in Los Angeles, a secondary loop uses the pit heat to boil water which is fed to conventional steam-turbines.

There are similar solar-heat projects in Spain and Israel.
 
Hi,

This looks promising:
http://stginternational.org/
STG (previously operating as the Solar Turbine Group) is a non-profit organization based in Cambridge, Massachusetts whose mission is to provide technical, financial and intellectual support, assistance, and training to projects and organizations focused on bringing sustainable energy technologies to communities across the developing world.

Our Vision
We would like to thank the following organizations for their gracious donations of materials and parts:
Distributer Corporation of New EnglandBoston Gear

Access to an affordable, distributed, renewable form of energy generation can improve productivity and quality of life in rural villages, clinics, schools, and organizations without significantly increasing their carbon footprints. The development of a solar technology that can be locally customized, manufactured, and distributed will promote local economies while extending energy access beyond the traditional electricity grid

Reported here:
http://planetgreen.discovery.com/tech-transport/green-inventors-solar-microgenerator.html
Affordable Solar Thermal Microgenerator Technology is Coming to Rural South Africa
MIT students develop a low cost, sustainable alternative to the common diesel generator.

The National Collegiate Inventors and Innovators Alliance (NCIIA) combined with the support of the Lemelson Foundation provides $1.5 million to student and faculty programs and ventures annually. Today's featured project by STG International, a non-profit organization started by the combined initiative of engineers and students trained at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), is a solar thermal microgenerator capable of providing both electricity and heat to the rural areas of South Africa.

There are 1.6 billion people worldwide who lack access to electricity or affordable energy solutions. The problem is that there are few good options for those who live deep within poor, rural locations. There are a number of solutions out there, such as diesel generators and photovoltaic panels, but these fail for the most part due to their high cost and high risk of theft.

To get around these shortcomings, the Solar Turbine Group (STG) has developed a novel solar thermal technology that decreases the necessity of costly fuel, upfront operating expenses, and theft. Their solution is a turbine which uses parabolic concentrating solar collectors and a heat engine constructed from mass-manufactured HVAC and automotive parts.

The turbine is not only an effective means of supplying energy, but it is also affordable due to its simplicity of parts, which can be found in just about any junkyard. As an added bonus, a bi-product of the technology, heat, can also be used for supplemental heating and hot water for various rural institutions, such as schools and health clinics.

We were lucky to speak with a good portion of the team about their project and get the scoop of exactly how these solar thermal microgenerators are the best solution to the residents of rural South Africa. On behalf of MIT and the STG group allow me to introduce you to Ahmed Ghoniem, Professor of Mechanical Engineering, Harold Hemond, Professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering, Amy Mueller and Matt Orosz, both pursuing their doctorates in Environmental Engineering.

The team members who were not able to join us for this interview were Elizabeth Wayman, Bryan Urban, Motlatsi Sekhesa, Tumelo Makhetha, Makoanyane Khakanyo, Nick Brumleve, and Sylvain Quoilin.

Could you give us a brief overview of this project?
Matt Orosz: Since 2004 we have been developing solar thermal power generation that is conceptually based on the large scale solar thermal power plant technology that is featured in the Southwest of the United States, Spain, and some other countries. We are making it capable of operating at a small scale, autonomously appropriate for clinics or schools off the grid in developing countries. We are working on the size of a few kilowatts, as opposed to the megawatt size that this technology is customarily deployed at.

Ahmed Ghoniem: This technology is known as CSP, Concentrated Solar Power and it is normally deployed at very large power plants. The group is miniaturizing this technology, so that it can generate power for hospitals and schools. Another feature of these is that they not only generate power, but they also generate heat. This is a very clever and efficient way of doing things, because the same system gives you the two kinds of energies you need. That is the purpose behind packaging the system the way it is.

Harold Hemond: The other thing I would add, is this is particularly appropriate for communities that are not on the power grid. One of the objectives is to be able to utilize low cost or mass produced components, in many cases available from the automotive or the heating and air-conditioning industries.

How exactly does this microgenerator work?
MO: It is analogous to the typical steam engine. If you can think of a coal burning power plant that runs steam turbines, it generates the heat from burning coal. But instead of burning coal, we are using heat from the sun directly. Another analogy is to look at it as something like an air-conditioner where you plug it into the wall and it uses electricity to get one side hot and the other cold. You put the cold side in your house and the hot side sticks out the window. In our system, we supply heat on one side and something cold on the other and the end result is electricity.

AG: There is a solar collector used to collect the heat and this heat goes down into an engine and the engine produces power. You don't want a power plant or system that is expensive. Photovoltaic is also a good way to convert the energy, but it is very expensive. The system we are developing is much cheaper. The components are cheaper and can be found readily in these rural communities. By adding the solar collector and integrating it with an engine, we can produce power and heat at a much cheaper price. The economics is a big factor. This is not the Cadillac of systems, it is the Volkswagen.

Who is this system being developed for?
Amy Mueller: We are predominantly looking at developing countries, secondarily looking at rural areas. Where we have been working has 85 percent of it population where there will never have an electrical grid extended. We are first aiming to help institutions in these rural areas. Rural clinics, schools, possibly police stations, community centers. These places see 50 to 80 people per day as patients. By bringing the electricity and hot water to these clinics we are helping to improve the quality of life for the staff, so that they will be able to stay at work longer to help people.

How many areas has this system been deployed so far?
MO: We built two prototype systems in Lesotho in 2007. They were mainly beta test units, so they are not continuously operating right now. With the support of the NCIAA we are partnering with some government entities to install a permanent power solution to a clinic. It will produce about 25 kilowatt hours per day.

Will you be transferring the ownership of these systems to the community?
MO: In these countries, there really is no intellectual property protection to begin with. When you talk about ownership, you are really talking about know how. We are working in partnerships with technicians, engineers, faculty and students in Lesotho so that they can understand and produce this technology.

Is there any way our readers could get involved with this project?
MO: Yes, they could make a donation to the non-profit, there is some information on our website about that. If someone has some other kind of contribution in mind, please send us an e-mail through our website.

Is there anything else you'd like to share about the project?
AG: Another interesting anecdote of something we're doing, is looking at ways to use junkyard pieces in creative ways to build the system. That is one way to make it available for those who have no way of fabricating the custom components. Essentially we are going to junkyards and getting pieces from vehicles and testing them for use in our system.


HH: Car components are obviously made in very large quantities and a lot of these sophisticated materials can be reused for other purposes.

What are a few of these components that could be reused?

HH: Air conditioning, compressors, and alternators.

AG: The power steering pump, the engine cooling system, engine cooling pump, and the heating system is very useful. The affordability of these components is key to making these systems useful for whoever they are being designed for.

Thank you very much STG International for sharing your project with us. We hope that your systems can be deployed to many other rural areas around the world in the future, and we thank you for educating bright young students about the importance of green technology and using it responsibly.
 
Hi,

Still vaporware but promising non-the-less:
http://www.raw-solar.com/technology.html
Solar Thermal Dish

A solar thermal dish reflects the rays of the sun onto a small receiver using specially curved mirrors, concentrating the sunlight 1000 times. The high concentration increases the efficiency of the energy collection by reducing the surface area for thermal losses. A robust tracking system keeps the dish pointed directly at the sun all day, maximizing the available sunlight.

Water is pumped through the receiver where the high intensity sunlight heats it to 212-750F (100-400C), making steam. The steam can then be piped into an existing steam system, such as a district energy system or food processing plant.

RawSolar Innovations

Solar thermal dishes are not a new idea, and have been used to efficiently gather sunlight for centuries. The key is in doing it inexpensively without sacrificing performance.

Mirrored glass is commonly used in the solar thermal industry because it is highly reflective, but also very durable and is expected to last more than 30 years in the field. Traditionally, these glass reflectors have required expensive processing in order to form the precise parabolic shape necessary for good performance. RawSolar's patented design flexes flat mirror into precisely the right shape without any special tooling or skilled labor, achieving incredibly high performance, long lifetime, and at a very low cost.

http://www.raw-solar.com/faq.html
Q: Can the system be used to generate electricity?

A: Yes, the system is designed so that it can be used with a number of different complementary technologies. We are in the process of evaluating several possible routes, so that we can deliver the most efficient and reliable energy to our customers.

Q: Are you going to use these in the developing world?

A: Because of the simplicity of the design, and use of widely available materials, the dish has a huge potential to address the energy problems of the rapidly developing third world. However, in order to get the business off the ground, we are focusing on large US installations in the short term.

Q: Are you selling dishes to residential customers?

A: We are in process of developing a product for individuals. However due to resource limitations, we cannot offer dishes to residential customers at this point in time. However, if you would like to join our waitlist, please fill out this form: Residential Customer Form. We will notify you when a residential product becomes available. Thank you for your cooperation.
 
Not DIY and Not solar thermal but:
http://www.energyinnovations.com/
But this is solar thermal and as DIY as your post:
http://sopogy.com/
 
In my never ending quest to reuse someone else's junk for projects I could really benefit from (and learn from in the process!) I had a crazy idea of taking an old satellite TV dish (the very large 10-foot or larger types) and attaching tiny mirror segments to it's surface, to get the focal point as hot as possible.

Then figure out how to build a basic Stirling engine, and put it's hotside there, and power a small generator from the resulting motion, to charge up a bank of batteries.

So far it's only a vague idea, as even though I could easily do the other parts, I have no way yet to build a Stirling engine. :)
 
There are lots more on Youtube but for example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AsnE9kwyDw
 
Time to move where it's sunny guys. Infinia is coming out with a 3kw solar dish stirling http://www.infiniacorp.com/infinia-solar-system.html . The beauty is that large projects will employ the same unit, just lots of them, so we'll see reasonably priced ones for domestic use sooner. Over the next few years more companies will put out similar products. Imagine how cheap cars and trucks would be if there were just a handful of makes, and only 1 model for each make, and for a transportation truck you just gang 3 or 4 or more of the same units together identical to those consumer use....That's when you get true economies of scale. It's coming and the next 2 decades will be exciting. Too bad there was no real follow through after the first oil embargo, or else the world would already be a much better place.

John
 
John in CR said:
Time to move where it's sunny guys. Infinia is coming out with a 3kw solar dish stirling http://www.infiniacorp.com/infinia-solar-system.html . The beauty is that large projects will employ the same unit, just lots of them, so we'll see reasonably priced ones for domestic use sooner. Over the next few years more companies will put out similar products. Imagine how cheap cars and trucks would be if there were just a handful of makes, and only 1 model for each make, and for a transportation truck you just gang 3 or 4 or more of the same units together identical to those consumer use....That's when you get true economies of scale. It's coming and the next 2 decades will be exciting. Too bad there was no real follow through after the first oil embargo, or else the world would already be a much better place.

John

I've heard the Infinia guys are very serious about producing their solar systems in large scale production. I believe they are currently conducting production test runs at a "pilot" factory and have plans to produce them on a very large scale at a converted auto plant in the midwest somewhere. I believe their current product line-up is strictly for commercial applications but there is a plan for residential applications some time in the future as well. My only issue with a residential solar collector is having very high temperature producing object on my wooden roof or where the kids could get to it.
 
mclovin said:
I've heard the Infinia guys are very serious about producing their solar systems in large scale production. I believe they are currently conducting production test runs at a "pilot" factory and have plans to produce them on a very large scale at a converted auto plant in the midwest somewhere. I believe their current product line-up is strictly for commercial applications but there is a plan for residential applications some time in the future as well. My only issue with a residential solar collector is having very high temperature producing object on my wooden roof or where the kids could get to it.

McLovin,
A 3kw solar dish stirling will never go on your roof, and obviously kids can't get near that focal point. That said, we're not talking about extreme temperatures anyway, because that sends materials costs through the roof. My guess is that this operates at max temps well below 500-600°C. What I like about Infinia's plan is the units for commercial use are identical for residential use, commercial just means more of the units.
John
 
John in CR said:
mclovin said:
I've heard the Infinia guys are very serious about producing their solar systems in large scale production. I believe they are currently conducting production test runs at a "pilot" factory and have plans to produce them on a very large scale at a converted auto plant in the midwest somewhere. I believe their current product line-up is strictly for commercial applications but there is a plan for residential applications some time in the future as well. My only issue with a residential solar collector is having very high temperature producing object on my wooden roof or where the kids could get to it.

McLovin,
A 3kw solar dish stirling will never go on your roof, and obviously kids can't get near that focal point. That said, we're not talking about extreme temperatures anyway, because that sends materials costs through the roof. My guess is that this operates at max temps well below 500-600°C. What I like about Infinia's plan is the units for commercial use are identical for residential use, commercial just means more of the units.
John

I wonder what the cost will be as compared to PV? Weight? Installation? Conversion efficieny?

Yeah, I'm probably overstating the concern for a fire hazard but there is the potential for a nasty burn or some blindingly bright light. Also, I wonder about the maintenance costs since it is primarily a mechanical system.

I like the modularity too.


Yaknow they have a funny story behind this product. They were at a point where they might have to close up shop and pack it in. It all was riding on this one product. They built a prototype and plugged it in. If it worked then they would get gobs of investment money, if not then they were done and were prepared to close up shop the next day. Obviously it work.
 
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