Do You Think You could Make it without Air conditioning?

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http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/31/architecture/t3-architecture-asia-bioclimatic-architecture/index.html

The smog eating tower sounds interesting, too, but so far has it cleaned up China?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/29/design/smog-eating-tower/index.html
 
Not in the house I live in now. But they used to build houses around here that kept the overnight cool all day. Double thick adobe walls, about 2 feet thick for enormous thermal mass. Like living in a cave. The house would typically have a roof opening, so you could get on the roof to shoot at whoever was stealing your sheep and cows. This opening would allow the days heat to convect out of the house, sucking in cooling night air though windows.

Smart modern houses get built this way, earth ships, or the better rammed earth homes.

My house has had the attic massively insulated, but the walls still too thin at R11. Bringing them to R 20 or more just too expensive. So I run the Whole house AC at dawn, then shut down and coast on that long as possible. Then late afternoon, it just has to go back on. During the hottest time, one ac cools one room pretty much all day. I have big south windows, but they get shade all day from a big tree. In winter, the sun shines under the tree to warm the house.

The smog eating tower looks interesting. At first, I thought it was a giant ozone thing, but they say no. I have one of those small Ozone things, great to have if you do something dumb like smoke out the house leaving the stove on. It really eliminates smells. I first saw those things doing suicide clean up jobs. Really good for getting that guy shot himself and sat there a few days smell out of a house.

I have also thought, what if you build an enormous number of solar power towers around a cities core. (giant greenhouse with a very tall smokestack) Would they suck up enough air to break the cycle of temp inversions trapping in the smog?
 
I'm guessing it's doable with shade, fans and some willingness to tolerate a little bit of sweat, lol. I haven't tried out my theory yet, though. Not in the shade now, don't have fans and not quite the middle of summer.
 
dogman dan said:
Not in the house I live in now. But they used to build houses around here that kept the overnight cool all day. Double thick adobe walls, about 2 feet thick for enormous thermal mass. Like living in a cave. The house would typically have a roof opening, so you could get on the roof to shoot at whoever was stealing your sheep and cows. This opening would allow the days heat to convect out of the house, sucking in cooling night air though windows.

Smart modern houses get built this way, earth ships, or the better rammed earth homes.

My house has had the attic massively insulated, but the walls still too thin at R11. Bringing them to R 20 or more just too expensive. So I run the Whole house AC at dawn, then shut down and coast on that long as possible. Then late afternoon, it just has to go back on. During the hottest time, one ac cools one room pretty much all day. I have big south windows, but they get shade all day from a big tree. In winter, the sun shines under the tree to warm the house.

The smog eating tower looks interesting. At first, I thought it was a giant ozone thing, but they say no. I have one of those small Ozone things, great to have if you do something dumb like smoke out the house leaving the stove on. It really eliminates smells. I first saw those things doing suicide clean up jobs. Really good for getting that guy shot himself and sat there a few days smell out of a house.

I have also thought, what if you build an enormous number of solar power towers around a cities core. (giant greenhouse with a very tall smokestack) Would they suck up enough air to break the cycle of temp inversions trapping in the smog?
Like my Mom and Dad's 1800's built adobe house which has 20" walls and my grandmother used to have grapevines overhanging the entire porch around the house. Even today mom and dad don't use the swamp cooler until about July when the temps start hitting the 100s. :mrgreen:
 
dogman dan said:
. . . .so you could get on the roof to shoot at whoever was stealing your sheep and cows.

Dang, now that's one figured out lifestyle. I need to shoot at the people stealing bikes out of my yard.

dogman dan said:
So I run the Whole house AC at dawn, then shut down and coast on that long as possible. Then late afternoon, it just has to go back on.

Hasn't that already cost more than the insulation would? I had a relative in Texas figure out the summer electric bill would cover a new house payment in a plae already insulated. And so it did.

The smog eating tower looks interesting. At first, I thought it was a giant ozone thing, but they say no. I have one of those small Ozone things, great to have if you do something dumb like smoke out the house leaving the stove on. It really eliminates smells. I first saw those things doing suicide clean up jobs. Really good for getting that guy shot himself and sat there a few days smell out of a house.

I have also thought, what if you build an enormous number of solar power towers around a cities core. (giant greenhouse with a very tall smokestack) Would they suck up enough air to break the cycle of temp inversions trapping in the smog?[/quote]
 
I got through several central Texas summers without air conditioning, while living in Edwardian type houses that were never intended to be air conditioned (nor were they especially well insulated). High ceilings with ceiling fans were key. You have to be OK with sweating to live like the ancestors did.

If you let your body acclimate to the heat, you get more outdoors opportunities as a side benefit.

I remember having a German housemate who marveled that he took a bike ride if he wanted to cool off, when he normally thought of that as a way to warm up.
 
Chalo said:
If you let your body acclimate to the heat, you get more outdoors opportunities as a side benefit.

I think this is the key to making extreme temperatures more tolerable, it can get pretty hot down here often reaching the old ton (100F) and the old 60's double leaf brick house I live in warms up alright sometimes maintaining around 90F through the night but I rarely run the aircon instead use a pedestal fan and a water spray bottle spraying into the fan and wham! instant chill
 
+1 ^^.. a fan will drop the apparent temp by 10+ deg C.
large ceiling fans are cheap and the latest brushless motors are silent and only use a few watts (30 W max probably only 10W at low speed.)
choice of house location makes a big difference too.
a house in a low valley will be hotter than a similar nearby house up on a hillside..hot air rises and generates its own breeze.
 
Cost of AC before I insulated the attic would have paid for a lot. But once that got done, at a cost of about $200, the heating and cooling costs got cut in half. I definitely went for the low hanging fruit immediately. At that same time, I installed the up ducts,, those are the modern version of the door to the roof. The hottest air in the house vents out immediately when you do turn on a swamp cooler. 90% of the time, the swamp cooler is off, and then it acts as a solar chimney on the house. It allows hot air to convect out of the house all day and into the night.

My best guess is I'd save about $30 a month,, for 6 months a year. Spring and fall the house is fine without heat or AC. So at a rate of $200 a year for AC and heat, it would take a pretty long time to pay for the project. Too bad we did not do it when we moved in, but you know, it was busy then. 5 days of work a week, every weekend, either flying a hot air balloon, or moonlighting to pay for next weekends flights.

If I do the work myself now, I can insulate the walls fairly cheap. However, I have chronic fatigue now, so pulling out all the exterior wall sheet rock in the house, furring out the walls 2" then re doing all the insulation, then re hanging the sheet rock, taping, texturing and painting, sounds like a lot of work. Emptying the room enough to just do it sounds like a lot of work. Each room done would cost about $200-300. I should do the room I spend all day in. But again, the fatigue makes it hard. I do house projects at similar cost all the time,, this year it was a master bath expansion, adding some space for a decent cabinet, upgrading the toilet. That was about an $800 project, and even more overdue, more needed than improving the walls. We're old, it was high time to make the bath more handicap friendly. Now we have the tall toilet, good handrails everywhere, and space for our hygiene stuff that is at waist level, not under the sink.

I keep thinking, this winters project will be to thicken the walls and get R20. But then some other project is needed worse. Two winters ago it was flooring.

But on the upside,, I know for a fact my AC bills are a fraction of my neighbors. The perfectly placed trees I planted are doing their job, my sunny side windows and walls are shaded all summer, and just the attic insulation alone had an enormous effect. I do wish I had the Victorian house tall cielings, but the dang bank balked at lending us enough to buy that 1910 house. Instead we got a pretty decent house cheap, on the repo, in 2000 when they were cheap and house flippers did not snap them up. We are doing just fine,, but we will turn that AC on daily, and run one window cooler pretty much 24-7 for a few months. But we sure don't have to run whole house AC 24-7, like nearly everybody in town does.
 
If I were to live in a hot climate, I would build a copy of the "Crosley Icyball" and rig that up to a duct work. It can easily be made to work from concentrated solar power. Maybe build a couple of them.

crosleyicyball.com
 
Harold in CR said:
If I were to live in a hot climate, I would build a copy of the "Crosley Icyball" and rig that up to a duct work. It can easily be made to work from concentrated solar power. Maybe build a couple of them.

crosleyicyball.com

http://www.treehugger.com/solar-technology/small-scale-solar-powered-air-conditioning-is-here-in-spain-anyways.html

I've heard an outfit in Israel is also making household-sized solar absorption chillers.
 
I have always believed that Wally Minto had designed and built this basically same device in his Florida home, in the mid 70's, but, could not convince anyone that he had a nearly free air conditioning unit, because he tried selling them, and, there is no record of any sales. His son does not even remember the unit.

Down here we go from 65F to 85F , year round, so, I have no incentive to try to build one of the Crosley Icyball units.
 
I've never really used AC but my more recent habitation is more challenging at the occasional 80-90f and high humidity @ night. Damn modern structures with no natural heating/cooling in mind. Still plently livable though, and a cool swim, shower, or even bike ride can make a lasting core temp impact, and thus the perception of ambient temp, for the night.
 
It would be nice to live with a constant temperature, either wet or dry, but I'm amazed at those that choose aircon over natural air temp, the amount of times Ive jumped in someones hot car and lowered the window only to get told that the conditioner is on and me being fine with the window down
 
Chalo said:
If you let your body acclimate to the heat, you get more outdoors opportunities as a side benefit.

I read somewhere that people who trained in extreme cold weather are more adept at hotter climates.
 
markz said:
Chalo said:
If you let your body acclimate to the heat, you get more outdoors opportunities as a side benefit.

I read somewhere that people who trained in extreme cold weather are more adept at hotter climates.

What I know is that living and working in air conditioning makes folks less tolerant of high ambient temperatures. Extreme cold, I have limited experience with.
 
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