E-S Phasor Electric Bike Owners

[Rodney64]

Just had some new side panels made up.

 

[Rix]

Those panels look sweet. I would leave them polished.

 

[Rodney64]

Yes polished side panels with the 17 inch rim will look good. Spokes have arrived at gloworm cycles so hope to see the 4080 at home soon.

 

[korpin]

I have honestly not read anybody elese posts because i am a narcissis but have changed the title of my reply....

 

[Rodney64]

I have honestly not read anybody elese posts because i am a narcissis but have changed the title of my reply....

Perhaps u need to Korpin

 

[korpin]

.are those brakes in photo good or just so-so brakes?

So-so
Have a read on bikeradar:

• Power ratings (in ascending order of power)
  
  Brake model Power (Nm) Weight (g)
  Ashima PCB 64 328
  Tektro Auriga Pro 77 491
  TRP Dash 85 407
  TRP Dash Carbon 85 393
  Gusset Chute 89 469
  Hayes Prime Pro 90 501
  Avid XX WC 90 356
  Magura MT8 90 339
  Quad QHD-7.1 Nano Light 92 422
  Quad Rapide 97 475
  Hope Tech Evo X2 97 463
  Quad QHD-7 Nano 97 463
  Avid Elixir 9 99 397
  Avid Elixir 7 99 395
  Avid Elixir 1 100 471
  Avid Elixir 3 100 442
  Avid Code R 103 429
  Magura MT2 103 428
  Magura MT6 103 337
  Shimano Deore M596 104 490
  Formula R1 Racing 104 334
  Shimano Saint 105 529
  Shimano XT M785 107 466
  Formula RX 107 398
  Formula R1 107 355
  Shimano XTR Race M985 110 388
  Hope X2 Race Evo 110 377
  Shimano SLX M666 111 485
  Shimano XTR Trail M988 112 407
  Hope Race Evo M4 115 496
  Hope Tech Evo V2 120 524
  Formula The One 121 393
  Formula RO 124 418

i REALIZE THIS list is old and I took LOTS of time to reply,but I never did say thank you for letting me know HPC does not really match the brakes to performance of bicycle.......hmmm what kinda bikes are shown on the stealth bomber website (DOUBLE cooling holes MULTI pot)? I think I NEED those!!!!!

 

[korpin]

been reading the RlpLies (not saying I read EVERY single reply....but do not think this has been discussed....IS ANYONE USING REGEN ON THEIR PHASOR LONG TERM AND DROPOUT PROBLEMS YES OR NO????

 

[korpin]

Just had some new side panels made up.

was kinda wondering if those panels get hot in sublight?

 

[Rodney64]

I haven't tried the frame with the side panels in the sun yet Korpin as I'm in New Zealand but will let you know. Dh-Paule on the stealth site has given a good report on brakes.

No ones using regen that I'm aware of. But after looking at my axle on the 3580
It's like new so I'm sure that they can handle it.

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23996&start=3350#p719654


http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23996&start=3300#p718190

 

[Rix]

Hayes Stroker aces are better brakes then the gators on the Bombers/Fighters. Just saw the Hopes V4 posted on the Stealth Thread. Beutiful brakes. Korpin, if you really want to up your stopping power, consider these two or the Avid Codes as an option. I like the Hayes because they have the V9 rotor which is super big at 224mm and thick/heavy. I have that disk rotor mounted on the front of my Bomber. Even running the 6 pot gator caliper with that large disk, my bike will throw me over the bars if I grab the front brake to quick.

Rick

 

[Rodney64]

New controller. Blown 12 fet beside it

 

[dimpirate]

New controller. Blown 12 fet beside it

Nice Rodney what are your plans for fitting 24 fet in frame?
Just got 24 fet methods controller had to buy special packs for room left over.
By the way love the new side panels

 

[Rix]

Yep, thats a zombies special, one serious controller. Cant remember, 24 or 36 fet? Seems like I remember Zombies 24 fet rated up to 100 volts for 10 kw and the 36Fet was 135 volt and 14KW. Can't remember for sure. Either way, you are in serious business my friend. That cromotor will like that controller alot. Miles of smiles ahead. Cant wait to see the finished product.

Rick

 

[Rodney64]

New controller. Blown 12 fet beside it

Nice Rodney what are your plans for fitting 24 fet in frame?
Just got 24 fet methods controller had to buy special packs for room left over.
By the way love the new side panels

Ill try and mount the controller inside but it will need to be on its side. Yes Dimpirate the side panels do look good. Hope to have the bike back together on Friday and will post some pics after I've installed the controller.

What do you mean when you said you had to buy special packs for room left over. I'm thinking battery.

 

[dimpirate]

New controller. Blown 12 fet beside it

Nice Rodney what are your plans for fitting 24 fet in frame?
Just got 24 fet methods controller had to buy special packs for room left over.
By the way love the new side panels

Ill try and mount the controller inside but it will need to be on its side. Yes Dimpirate the side panels do look good. Hope to have the bike back together on Friday and will post some pics after I've installed the controller.

What do you mean when you said you had to buy special packs for room left over. I'm thinking battery.

Yea I'm talking about battery. Controller is large. Mine is 5 1/2" 140mm wide I believe 8" long 203mm.
If your controller is close to same size as what I have it will sit like this in frame (pic below) but also takes up lots of crucial battery space.

From your battery pack pictures it looks like controller might fit in, it'll be close, you might have to do a little pack splitting hopefully not!
Reason i had to get special packs is because Methods controllers top voltage is 100V and that's how much it's gonna get ... So I can only use 4S 6S and 8S lipo combos. 5S is actually most ideal in measurements for phasor frame, just forces me to loose V to not hit controller limit.
6S, like I believe you realized when first building is usually a bit to wide for frame so that fumbled my plans up a bit.
Anyways let me shorten this up
zippy compact 8S 5.8Ah packs are the best option of very few to reach 24S4P goal. Packs should be on there way :lol: placement will be like in pic each paper is 2 packs side by side. 12 total ( better than 16) and 3.2 Ah more than I originally planned for. Cool!

Is that 24 or 36 fet?
Zombies?
Are you going to be increasing voltage?
Cromotor to?

 

[Rix]

Dimpirate, I like it when a plan is coming together which yours is. I have received PMs from a few prospective future Phasor builders about component selection. Those folks have also shared with me their build intentions. There will be some new Phasor builds coming down the pipe over the next 4-6 months that will be fast and tough. Some of the proposed builds that I have been privy to are just insanely awesome. 8,9 12 KW = fast. Phasor builders/owners are moving the bar very very high for ebike builds. YAH!!!!

Rick

 

[Rodney64]

From your battery pack pictures it looks like controller might fit in, it'll be close, you might have to do a little pack splitting hopefully not!
Reason i had to get special packs is because Methods controllers top voltage is 100V and that's how much it's gonna get ... So I can only use 4S 6S and 8S lipo combos. 5S is actually most ideal in measurements for phasor frame, just forces me to loose V to not hit controller limit.
6S, like I believe you realized when first building is usually a bit to wide for frame so that fumbled my plans up a bit.
Anyways let me shorten thsis up
zippy compact 8S 5.8Ah packs are the best option of very few to reach 24S4P goal. Packs should be on there way :lol: placement will be like in pic each paper is 2 packs side by side. 12 total ( better than 16) and 3.2 Ah more than I originally planned for. Cool!

Is that 24 or 36 fet?
Zombies?

Are you going to be increasing voltage?
Cromotor to?

36 fet. Yes Zombies controller
No I'm keeping the voltage the same.
Maybe


Photo of where the controller may fit. The batteries 360 long so it may fit along the top.

 

[Rix]

For the KISS factor, mounting the controller on the outside of the frame where the air can cool it seems ideal. I know that Kepler has had phenominal results with internally mounting his controllers on the inside of his Fighter and Dh Paule's Bomber, but if I recall correctly, he had to remove the controller cases for the install so he could use the frame as a heat sink. Is there a warranty concern? Of course, the folks on this forum for the most part are concerned about performance and will do mods that would void a warranty if it means more acceleration and speed. I guess my point is moot. This is the beuty of the Phasor, having the freedom of choices to do whatever the builder wants .

Rick

 

[dimpirate]

For the KISS factor, mounting the controller on the outside of the frame where the air can cool it seems ideal. I know that Kepler has had phenominal results with internally mounting his controllers on the inside of his Fighter and Dh Paule's Bomber, but if I recall correctly, he had to remove the controller cases for the install so he could use the frame as a heat sink. Is there a warranty concern? Of course, the folks on this forum for the most part are concerned about performance and will do mods that would void a warranty if it means more acceleration and speed. I guess my point is moot. This is the beuty of the Phasor, having the freedom of choices to do whatever the builder wants .

Rick

These controllers are wider than frame so outside placement is awkward, ugly.
Methods assured me I wouldn't even need to heat sink to frame, that cromotor would melt before controller gets started warming up :lol: .
I'd Imagine Rodney's controller doesn't need to heat sink either. Right?

 

[Rodney64]

I've been looking where to mount this controller and as its wider than the frame it best if its mounted inside.

The heat sink has been polished and the controller the 4115 version. The controllers rated to 135 volt and the batteries 100.

My 100 volt battery will need to be split in two. 2 packs of 12s3p with each pack measuring 180/150/85mm. With the batteries at the top and the controller lower this is the only way it'll fit.

Can't waitvto get this beast running

 

[Rix]

Methods assured me I wouldn't even need to heat sink to frame, that cromotor would melt before controller gets started warming up .
I'd Imagine Rodney's controller doesn't need to heat sink either. Right?

Dimpirate, you misunderstood me, if you did heat sink the controller to the frame, you have to remove the controller case so the controller is in direct contact with the frame. With the controller in its case, the case is the "heat sink" instead of the frame so you don't have to worry about heatsinking. I appologize for the confusion

Rick

 

[dimpirate]

Methods assured me I wouldn't even need to heat sink to frame, that cromotor would melt before controller gets started warming up .
I'd Imagine Rodney's controller doesn't need to heat sink either. Right?

Dimpirate, you misunderstood me, if you did heat sink the controller to the frame, you have to remove the controller case so the controller is in direct contact with the frame. With the controller in its case, the case is the "heat sink" instead of the frame so you don't have to worry about heatsinking. I appologize for the confusion

Rick

I believe I did understand you. If I were using a lesser controller less apt to dissipate heat I would heat sink to the frame (take case of) to provide direct airflow to heat sink. There is no need to do so with this controller, it can live in frame without heat sinking to frame remaining in its case without overheating even with little to no airflow.

No confusion, thanks Rick :wink:

Fred

 

[Rix]

My bad, you knew exactly what I was saying. I will shut up now and watch your future great build emerge, which BTW, I can wait to see it . Been living vicariously through Rod and his build/videos. Once I get another house with a shop, its on.

Rick

 

[pendragon8000]

These controllers are wider than frame so outside placement is awkward, ugly.
Methods assured me I wouldn't even need to heat sink to frame, that cromotor would melt before controller gets started warming up :lol: .
I'd Imagine Rodney's controller doesn't need to heat sink either. Right?

just wondering if the pcb in the heat sink case would fit in the frame on its own, is it 95mm inside dimension? it may be just enough, the pcb may be able to just fit. but if its easy enough for you to mount it all in there with the case on you might as well. hope its working out well in any case, peace

 

[Rodney64]

I'm very happy with the polished panels. Theyll go well will the polished rims. The front wheel will be laced on the 18th.

But not sure when I'll get the rear moped rim back.