E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

1abv said:
On that note anyone know of a good quality full grip throttle?
Good question. I still don't know of one that is crash proof and uses a Hall sensor.

I need a conventional dirt bike type setup, so I bought the full width Crystalyte throttle, and it didn't take long before I sheared off both plastic magnet lugs inside just by turning it too far/hard in a fairly minor crash. After this I realised I could super-glue some of the tube off the broken throttle onto the stumpy stock throttle tube. The bond is perfect because one tube has a diam reduction and slid 10mm inside the other, and that's what I have today. But it's got the same weak plastic rotation stoppers inside. So I'm more conscious of overloading it.

The "full width" throttle isn't actually full width, but it is a great size for an offroad e-bike with decent power and where the small bit of fixed grip comes in handy for moments when you do use the pedals. If you're used to dirt bikes, the setup I have is just so much better, in my opinion. Way easier to precisely control throttle and front brake at the same time.
 
Hi,

I was wondering if anyone has had this happen before ?

I have a 2014 (October) Bomber. Everything has been great, but almost every ride now the bike loses all power. Turning it off and on doesn't fix it. I have taken an alan key with me and have unplugged the battery and plugged it in. Nothing.

This will happen no matter what power is left in the battery (eg. 90%).

The weird think is though I have ridden the bike home (as a normal pushbike...hard work as I live in very hilly town - everywhere you go there is a major hill involved), plugged the charger in and turned it on and off in under a second. The bike is now perfect. It's like nothing has happened - until you go for a ride again.

I am taking the battery to the Brisbane store to leave with them while it's checked out

Thanks,

Guy
 
gjb977 said:
I am taking the battery to the Brisbane store to leave with them while it's checked out
Have you ever got water around the key switch? I did, and my key switch quickly became faulty. Before doing anything complex, try some electrical contact cleaner in the key switch and blow it out with compressed air. Then put a little water dispersant oil inside it for prevention.

Has water ever got on the controller box under the frame? Even if maybe, then take the controller off the frame and pull the cover off it, and carefully inspect the circuit board for any signs of corrosion. If you have an electrical short in there, like between the FETs then I'm thinking it could cause too many Amps to be drawn from the battery or battery temp to get too high, in either case it might cause the battery Management System (BMS) self protection logic to trip. If you clean up the corrosion and spray with a water dispersant, then reassemble then it should be as fine. I think it's a good idea to seal the ends of the controller case using silicone sealant. Take care not to lose any of the conductive paste between the FET ground bar and the alum case.

When I ride, 99% of the time I have my display showing the diag page with the temps for the controller and motor, and also the Wh used. I find that's the most useful and interesting. You can also feel the controller with your hand and get an idea of the current going through it. If your controller gets abnormally hot, and you are not really working the motor so hard, then I'd suspect a short circuit somewhere.
 
gjb977 said:
Hi,

I was wondering if anyone has had this happen before ?

I have a 2014 (October) Bomber. Everything has been great, but almost every ride now the bike loses all power. Turning it off and on doesn't fix it. I have taken an alan key with me and have unplugged the battery and plugged it in. Nothing.

This will happen no matter what power is left in the battery (eg. 90%).

The weird think is though I have ridden the bike home (as a normal pushbike...hard work as I live in very hilly town - everywhere you go there is a major hill involved), plugged the charger in and turned it on and off in under a second. The bike is now perfect. It's like nothing has happened - until you go for a ride again.

I am taking the battery to the Brisbane store to leave with them while it's checked out

Thanks,

Guy

I've found that the 5 pin connector to the rear wheel is very sensitive to water. When it gets wet my bike loses power, and runs sporadically till it dries.
 
He is losing all power. So my guess is the key switch or a BMS shutdown.

Edit: Sorry TV, you raise a good point ... if those connectors were shorting to ground, then more current could be drawn, and that could cause a BMS shutdown too.
 
Yesterday I went for a ride with my son on his almost new Neo Carbon. About 10 miles into the ride his bike started acting up . It only has a little over 200 miles on it. We were able to trace the problem to a 5 pin connector that goes to the computer on the handle bars.

My bike otoh, with well over 4000 miles on it runs perfectly with 13 times the power. A Bomber is like a cross between a Rolls Royse, a Corvette, and a Sherman Tank.

 
gjb977 said:
Hi,

I was wondering if anyone has had this happen before ?

I have a 2014 (October) Bomber. Everything has been great, but almost every ride now the bike loses all power. Turning it off and on doesn't fix it. I have taken an alan key with me and have unplugged the battery and plugged it in. Nothing.

This will happen no matter what power is left in the battery (eg. 90%).

The weird think is though I have ridden the bike home (as a normal pushbike...hard work as I live in very hilly town - everywhere you go there is a major hill involved), plugged the charger in and turned it on and off in under a second. The bike is now perfect. It's like nothing has happened - until you go for a ride again.

I am taking the battery to the Brisbane store to leave with them while it's checked out

Thanks,

Guy

If you haven't done so, contact Joe at joe@stealthelectricbikes.com.au Stealth will get you sorted out.
 
gjb977 said:
Hi,

I was wondering if anyone has had this happen before ?

I have a 2014 (October) Bomber. Everything has been great, but almost every ride now the bike loses all power. Turning it off and on doesn't fix it. I have taken an alan key with me and have unplugged the battery and plugged it in. Nothing.

This will happen no matter what power is left in the battery (eg. 90%).

The weird think is though I have ridden the bike home (as a normal pushbike...hard work as I live in very hilly town - everywhere you go there is a major hill involved), plugged the charger in and turned it on and off in under a second. The bike is now perfect. It's like nothing has happened - until you go for a ride again.

I am taking the battery to the Brisbane store to leave with them while it's checked out

Thanks,

Guy

Yes unfortunately I have had that problem :-( After going trough the entire checklist it turned out, The problem was faulty sells on the battery. Ended up buying a brand new battery. That solved the problem imitatively.
 
Thanks heaps guys.

Yes I've been talking to Joe - and been sending him the diag screens.

He will be talking to the Brisbane store to explain the problem.

I just thought the weird thing was as soon as the battery got power (from the charger) for 1 second...everything was fine. It just seemed to reset everything.

Thanks again,

Guy
 
gjb977 said:
Thanks heaps guys.

Yes I've been talking to Joe - and been sending him the diag screens.

He will be talking to the Brisbane store to explain the problem.

I just thought the weird thing was as soon as the battery got power (from the charger) for 1 second...everything was fine. It just seemed to reset everything.

Thanks again,

Guy

Yeah thats exactly what happend with my battery also. It seamed like the battery was completely flat. And i had to disconnect the small cable inside the bike frame to recharge the battery, and then recharge the battery for no more than 1 min max. Then every thing was fine. Until i draw more than 1200W then the battery died. And i had to do it all over again. And so on and so on. But the problem was 1 - 2 battery cells that had a lower voltage than the others. with 0.2V and that triggered the BMS.
 
Allex said:
Can you connect the DC1 to a 2013 stealth model?
Does it have same pinout to the controller?

I will have to check, I don't know. Good thing I have a 24Fet Cyrstalyte wired up for the CAv3 and a CAv3 or I wouldn't have any references. Need to check the jumper in on the bottom of the DC1 anyway so I will take a look.
 
Hi Guys, Here's a pic of a Bomber we are currently selling for a client (upgrading to latest version). If anyone is interested please PM me. All the details are at http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/glandore/bicycles/stealth-bomber/1063715057on Gumtree. It's a great bike with low kms & heaps of extras :D
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PRW said:
Unfortunately, the link you inserted doesn't work - wants someone to log in! This one works... http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/glandore/bicycles/stealth-bomber/1063715057
QMS said:
Hi Guys, Here's a pic of a Bomber we are currently selling for a client (upgrading to latest version). If anyone is interested please PM me. All the details are at http://www.gumtree.com.au/m-my-ad.html?adId=1063715057on Gumtree. It's a great bike with low kms & heaps of extras :D

Thank you I've changed the link now. Thanks again.. :wink:
 
Emmett said:
The DNM fork in stock form is not good. It has no comp damping and very stiff reb damping. Crazy. Also too much spring preload with the adjuster full out. When modified it can work extremely well and becomes far superior and absolutely no comparison to my 2014 R1 fork. Even after I tried to fix the R1.

Hey Emmett, thats the USD-8 right? What did you do to it to make it good? Why not make a write up on what you did?
 
Rix said:
QMS said:
Hi Guys, Here's a pic of a Bomber we are currently selling for a client (upgrading to latest version). If anyone is interested please PM me. All the details are at http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/glandore/bicycles/stealth-bomber/1063715057on Gumtree. It's a great bike with low kms & heaps of extras :D


Ah Quigly, that Bomber has a "KTM" type look to it, AWESOME! Those forks aren't the stock units, whats going on with that?

Hey Rix, The whole bike was originally Orange but the owner wanted to dumb it down a little (new rims, & colour coding all-round). The forks fitted are the factory Stealth option White Brothers Groove 200. The MRP Groove 200 White Brothers 2nd Generation are a lot better looking unit (matt black finish), almost same hardware though.
 
Longshot said:
Hey Emmett, thats the USD-8 right? What did you do to it to make it good? Why not make a write up on what you did?

DNM USD-8:

Positives:

0. Low cost.
1. Very low stroke friction. I think their best feature.
2. Full 200mm of travel.
3. Seems strong and good stiffness f/aft and sideways.
4. Increased steering range for low speed technical riding. They use more steering offset in the triple clamps and less in the lower axle lugs.
5. Potential for excellent rough off-road traction and control, ONLY after some fixes ...

For rough off-road riding - problems and solutions:

1. Super slow rebound stack. Can never get good low and high speed rebound setting. Fix = Install new stack.
2. No compression damping. Only has air spring adjustment for compression. So a loss of traction and control. Fix = discard the spring check valve, and add a comp stack.
3. Too much spring preload, even when adjuster is fully backed out. Loss of traction and a top out sensation. Fix = remove spring spacers.
4. Leaking damper seal. Fix = Add some auto transmission "step leak" additive to the damper oil. After about 2 weeks mine was good.
5. Lacks torsional stiffness. Mainly due to bushing slop. Fix = none. Or be careful where you place the front wheel. A good rear shock helps here since you can put more weight on the rear and the bike still behaves.

To disassemble the left spring leg: Just note that the lower gold seal/bush assembly unscrews. Also the spring preload adjuster assembly unscrews off the top end of the spring compression load shaft. Everything else is common sense.

Damper (right) leg) dissembly (enough to change valving):
1. Remove right fork leg from bike. Remove lower plastic guard. Deflate air from lower air res chamber.
2. Undo the fork cap, and slide the upper tube down the whole way to expose the nut on the top of the damper.
3. Clamp lower fork lug in a vice (with soft jaws) and undo the damper cartridge cap.
4. Carefully pull out the damper rod and piston assembly. Eye protection is a good idea in case of oil splash.
5. Take the fork out of the vice and pour out the old oil.
6. Remove nut off the end of the damper valve, to access the shim stacks.

To reassemble the damper, the reverse applies, but the trick is correctly filling the damper with oil and no air. Also extremely cleanliness is essential. Have at hand a can of brake cleaner spray and a compressed air blower gun.

A. Pre-add 55 psi to the lower air res. This is essential or the fork will have too much oil and not enough air, and it'll not compress fully, and it will feel harsh and might even blow a seal on a fast hard compression hit.
B. Position fork leg vertically, then fill the damper with quality 7.5w oil until 15mm from the top. I used Motorex.
C. Ensure clicker adjuster (piston bleed valve) is fully wound out (open or anti-clockwise).
D. Pull damper cap fully down on the shaft so it touches the piston assembly (fully extended position).
E. Slowly insert piston assembly (ideally revalved) into the damper. Be careful with the piston ring-seal. Allow air to bleed up through the bleed ports. Some oil overflow is desirable. Gently pump the piston while keeping it submerged, to allow air bubbles to escape. Then insert and tighten the inner damper cap. For a perfect damper seal, I recommend lot of teflon plumbers tape on the thread instead of trusting the DNM supplied o-ring. About 10ml of oil in the outer chamber will help lube the main bushes.
F. Complete assembly and increase base air pressure up to 100 psi. Up to 130psi for more bottoming resistance. As low as 80 for more easy fork travel. Don't go below 80 else you give up the benefits of oil cavitation control.

For the valving mods, you will need some shims with 8mm ID and 0.1 thickness. It took me about 12 goes to come up with this, which is I think pretty good, and just so much better than stock USD-8 or R1. You'll think you are riding on a magic carpet with this. Firm yet plush, and good response to clicker adjustment:

Comp: 21 2x20 19 13 2x19 18 2x17 15 over the 10mm clamp.
Reb: 19 17 13 17 16 14 over the 12b clamp washer.

When assembling the piston + shim stacks on the shaft, you MUST clean all oil off the nut thread, and use a careful drop of blue loctite. Then torque the nut to just 12Nm.

Some photos. Don't copy the shims laid out in the photo. Use the above.

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Emmett said:
Longshot said:
Hey Emmett, thats the USD-8 right? What did you do to it to make it good? Why not make a write up on what you did?

DNM USD-8:

Positives:

0. Low cost.
1. Very low stroke friction. I think their best feature.
2. Full 200mm of travel.
3. Seems strong and good stiffness f/aft and sideways.
4. Increased steering range for low speed technical riding. They use more steering offset in the triple clamps and less in the lower axle lugs.
5. Excellent traction and control, after some fixes ...

For rough off-road riding - problems and solutions:

1. Super slow rebound stack. Can never get good low and high speed rebound setting. Fix = Install new stack.
2. No compression damping. Only has air spring adjustment for compression. So a loss of traction and control. Fix = Add a comp stack.
3. Too much spring preload, even when adjuster is fully backed out. Loss of traction and a top out sensation. Fix = remove spring spacers.
4. Leaking damper seal. Fix = Add some auto transmission "step leak" additive to the damper oil. After about 2 weeks mine was good.
5. Lacks torsional stiffness. Mainly due to bushing slop. Fix = none. Or be careful where you place the front wheel. A good rear shock helps here since you can put more weight on the rear and the bike still behaves.

To disassemble the left spring leg: Just note that the lower gold seal/bush assembly unscrews. Also the spring preload adjuster assembly unscrews off the top end of the spring compression load shaft. Everything else is common sense.

Damper (right) leg) dissembly (enough to change valving):
1. Remove right fork leg from bike. Remove lower plastic guard. Deflate air from lower air res chamber.
2. Undo the fork cap, and slide the upper tube down the whole way to expose the nut on the top of the damper.
3. Clamp lower fork lug in a vice (with soft jaws) and undo the damper cartridge cap.
4. Carefully out the damper rod and piston assembly. Eye protection is a good idea in case of oil splash.
5. Take the fork out of the vice and pour out the old oil.
6. Remove nut off the end of the damper valve, to access the shim stacks.

To reassemble the damper, the reverse applies, but the trick is correctly filling the damper with oil and no air. To do this:
A. Position fork leg vertically, then fill the damper with quality 7.5w oil until 15mm from the top.
B. Ensure clicker adjuster (piston bleed valve) is fully wound out (open or anti-clockwise).
C. Pull damper cap fully down on the shaft so it touches the piston assembly (fully extended position).
D. Pre-add 55 psi to the lower air res. This is essential or the fork will have too much oil and not enough air, and it'll not compress fully, feel harsh and might even blow a seal on a fast hard hit.
E. Slowly insert piston assembly (ideally revalved) into the damper. Be careful with the piston ring-seal. Allow air to bleed up through the bleed ports. Then insert and tighten the inner damper cap. For a perfect damper seal, I recommend lot of teflon plumbers tape on the thread instead of trusting the DNM supplied o-ring.
F. Complete assembly and increase base air pressure up to 100 psi. Up to 130psi for more bottoming resistance. As low as 80 for more easy fork travel. Don't go below 80 else you give up the benefits of oil cavitation control.

For the valving mods, you will need some shims with 8mm ID and 0.1 thickness. It took me about 10 goes to come up with this, which is I think pretty good, and just so much better than stock USD-8 or R1. You'll think you are riding on a magic carpet with this. Firm yes plush, and good response to clicker adjustment:

Comp: 21 2x20 19 13 2x19 18 2x17 15 over the 10mm clamp.
Reb: 19 17 13 17 16 14 over the 12b clamp washer.

Some photos. Don't copy the shims laid out in the photo. Use the above.

20141029_214939_zps1899138f.jpg


8bcd2eb6-2591-4250-aafb-c16ce1b35409_zpsb002e087.jpg


20140929_205742_205743_zps99cf1a1d.jpg


20140929_205737__zpsc1cc040e.jpg


20140929_204656_DNM-ReValve-A_zps4a89457e.jpg


Niiiice dude! You rock ! Thanks!
 
You're welcome. Will you do it? I hope so. I'd love some feedback.

Note that I just made some edits to my post. So maybe delete the quoted text in your post.
 
Wow, great break down Emmett!
And here's me replying to queries about these forks by saying "yeah they're pretty good" :lol:

I actually found them to be a nice step up over the RSTs right out of the box, but admittedly my riding style these days is more general trail riding and exploring (out of neccessity...) rather than balls out and highly technical stuff where the slightest suspension detail is perceptible and detrimental.
 
I'm going to get my Fox 40s looked at later this morning (not responding at all).

Man oh man...rode 70 km with my new MX wheel I bought from Morati...the torque on rough off road terrain was awesome tonight. Worked like a champ in the snow and on very wet/icy conditions. Certain sections on the road were a bit messed up regarding not being able to get over 70 km which became a bit hectic as cars I usually out run were on my ass big time in long hilly sections (was okay until started to lose a lot of speed). Overall. ..the wider profile of tge shinko SR241 gave me a ton of control on turns and through rough pot holes as well as more stability with my heavier backpack. I can still use my old stock motor to build a complete 19 inch set up. Be a great solution for the summer. My challenge this year is to ride through the extreme winters we have over here.
 
I just spent fing hours squeezing fing grease into the fing v fing boxx.... Note to self get a syringe with a bigger opening at the end.... Damn that took for-fing-ever!! Mine had a metal needle that was large for a syringe but it can be much bigger for this purpose. I was worried that the tip may break off in the v-boxx with all of the force needed topush the grease through. Did anyone have trouble getting the syringe into the top left hole? I'm wondering if this could be done with a brake line pump or for that matter an air compressor (low pressure setting) and a long tube.
 
I had a very small syringe at 5ml so it took half an hour to put it in:
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23996&p=860330&hilit=super+lube#p860330
Left hole is a bit of a problem but you could use a silicone hose or similar, otherwise you have to lift up the bike, remove the shock and lift up the swing arm to get a better access.
 
proper159 said:
I'm going to get my Fox 40s looked at later this morning (not responding at all).

Man oh man...rode 70 km with my new MX wheel I bought from Morati...the torque on rough off road terrain was awesome tonight. Worked like a champ in the snow and on very wet/icy conditions. Certain sections on the road were a bit messed up regarding not being able to get over 70 km which became a bit hectic as cars I usually out run were on my ass big time in long hilly sections (was okay until started to lose a lot of speed). Overall. ..the wider profile of tge shinko SR241 gave me a ton of control on turns and through rough pot holes as well as more stability with my heavier backpack. I can still use my old stock motor to build a complete 19 inch set up. Be a great solution for the summer. My challenge this year is to ride through the extreme winters we have over here.

Post a pic. Glad you like the 5404. I think the reason Morati couldn't tell much difference between the 5403 and 5404 was he is so light. Lucky guy. I could easily loose 50 pounds and still weigh 2 something.
 
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