Ebike Savings

jeohearn

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Has anyone found a good website that can estimate what one is saving by commuting via Ebike versus a car? Or a comparison cost analysis between the two? I'm not talking about the difference in how much they cost to buy which I already know, but rather the cost of owning and using.
 
We have a "savings calculator" here:

http://www.eco-wheelz.com/calculator.php

It's pretty basic and calculates how much money you can save on gas with an e-bike. It doesn't take into account license, registration, insurance, etc.
 
I just figured out costs per mile. Take what your car cost, including financing, repairs so far, insurance and registration for the life of the car, and estimated repairs. Thats the money, then take the miles you have driven, and how many miles you expect to keep the car. Thats the miles. Then take an average price of gas, $4.00 awhile back, $2.50 now, so call it $3.00 mabye? Multiply the number of gallons your projected miles take by the cost of gas, and add to the money. Then you can divide to get a cost per mile. If you have the car paid for, you can do the same calculation just using the numbers you know from the past, but cost of ownership changes once you don't have payments, so depending on the car, projecting costs may be more accurate than current costs if you have a payment.

For me cost per mile depended on the car, A 2000 ford focus was costing us about 35 cents a mile, a 1998 subaru forester was costing about 45 cents since it had more miles and broke down more. A 1988 one ton pickup was costing at least a dollar per mile. :shock: I knew the truck was costly, but wow! When it breaks down, parts for that size truck are very costly. Gas wasn't as big a deal as I thought, it was repairs.

Similar calculations for the bike came out to about 10 cents per mile for the ebike. That could be less if the battery goes over 10,000 miles but I felt basing the calculation on 1000 ten mile cycles made sense. So my 30 mile round trip costs me about $13.50 in the subaru. In reality about $15 since I will drive further to shop. And the bike trip costs me $3. So every day I ride the bike pays me $13 or so. It takes me an extra hour, so I'd make more by working an extra hour, but I enyjoy the bike ride a lot more!

I figure for most folks, riding the ebike would pay you about 80-90 cents per mile. Not bad, considering that you are saving the planet, saving your health if you pedal even a little, and can feel that good about both.

If my only other vehicle was the truck though, I'd be making 20 bucks an hour to ride the bike.
 
in the UK things are a little different. the best savings are made if you can ditch the car completely. obviously the more you use the ebike the more you will save. so you stand to gain the most if you live and work in a city that you can transverse purely by bike.

for me i calculated that i save about £2300 ($4000) a year on just running costs and my situations is by no means optimal because i have to use trains as well for my 40mile commute (included in calculation). i am saving a lot of money now though and its deffinatly showing on my bank balance 8)
 
Ditching one car and keeping one car per family appears to be the sweet spot by my calculations. We use the clunker in bad weather though.

(The second car is so cheap to register (50/year) and insure (250/year), I keep it. But the tires are rotting, same tires for 7 years in the UV of the Rockies)

I also calculate the health savings as big time; all my relatives have diabetes and blood pressure issues, none ride bikes. Just the copay on their medicines, with insurance, would be at least $50/month. So for me I liken the ebike to maintaining a healthy lifestyle for decades. My brothers said they would give over $5k each to not have diabetes.

Live to ride, ride to live. an Ebike.

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I went outside to drive to post office, IT WAS +55F !!

Quick, top off the tires and the battery, its time for a ride.


Man is this Christmas traffic crazy. drivers are running lights, multi-taking, on the c-phone, NOT ready to see a cyclist at a Christmas shopping lunch hour! Glad I wore my loud riding jacket, yellow helmet, flashing lights, etc. Drivers are really nice or really oblivious, not much in between. a few thumbs up from drivers. I must look goofy with all these free USPS boxes tied to the back of my bike in the winter.

Woops, promised I would pick up something for dinner. Salvation Army guy offered to watch the bike. nice, but nothing in this store appealed to me for supper. ride on.

Just 8 miles, but it sure was good, I can skip the stationairy bike today.

now back to packing and shipping. No more time to procrastinate.
 
Yeah, you ditch the car completely and save a ton. No matter how little I drive, I have fixed costs for insurance and registration. But purchasing and repairing the thing are definitely the big costs. Unfortunately at least two days a week I have to carry more than 100 pounds of construction material, or something 8 feet long etc. I do real good to ride to work 3 days a week. The big change in my lifestyle is no longer spending 3 of 4 weekends repairing one of the cars. Now I spend it working on or riding ebikes. Doesn't sound like an improvement, but I garantee the bikes are fun and easy to work on compared to pulling a car engine.

Again, the whole ebike thing has been essentially free, compared to just driving the car as I used to. If you cut your driving in half, you can afford all kinds of stuff.
 
monster said:
for me i calculated that i save about £2300 ($4000) a year on just running costs and my situations is by no means optimal because i have to use trains as well for my 40mile commute (included in calculation). i am saving a lot of money now though and its deffinatly showing on my bank balance 8)

awesome...I think the best strategy is a car on rainy days and e-bike on the non-rainy days.
 
It took me over 10 years to get all my meds balanced to combat my astronomically high triglycerides, and borderline (on the wrong side of the border!) diabetes. A few of years ago, I worked hard, mostly through diet and light exercise, and dropped 27 pounds, which has been stable for two years now (+/- a couple pounds). That made only a small difference to the prescriptions I needed to keep my blood test numbers good (one less pill/day).

Unhappy about needing seven prescriptions, many at very high dosages, I decided to try commuting by bike. 11 miles each way. Took over an hour each way on weekend trials, which was not acceptable. Got an ebike (BionX on an old road-adapted hard-tail mountain bike), which got my speeds up to 20 MPH, and time down to 37 minutes (vs. 25 minutes by car). After 15 months, and over 5000 miles, my meds are cut in half, and still going down. Each check-up another script is reduced or eliminated, and my blood test numbers are staying stable in the great range! How do you figure the savings for all the reduced medicines? The direct costs of the five remaining prescriptions hardly represents the BIG difference!

-- Alan
 
Priceless. I also am much heathier. I have skinny sinuses and got lots of bacterial infections, but don't anymore with 105 minuites a day of heavy breathing in my routine. Now I spit up dust, and arrive home with none of the workdays dust up my nose.
 
I don't have an ebike just yet but the main motivating factor was the cost of car ownership. The math is really simple for me since the approximately $1100 I'd be spending for an ebike (bike, kit, battery, etc.) roughly equals a little more than two car payments OR six months of car insurance. This is to say nothing of registration, excise tax, fuel, maintenance or the hundreds, if not thousands, I pay each year for parking (I live in the Boston metro area).

Of course, I enjoy the health benefits and minimizing my environmental impact but I reckon that by eliminating the need for an additional car I save well over 65k over an 8 year period. That 8-year term represents the total cost of the car I would've purchased (a new Infiniti G37x with MSRP of $51k) and insurance of roughly $2k per year. That's just the cost of the car and insurance only. Considering a good set of snow tires costs about as much as good ebike kit with battery, it's easy to see why an ebike is such a great, money-saving mode of transport.
 
I own a 2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX MR. I have stopped using it after I equipped a motor on my 2007 Dahon Cadenza folding bike. The insurance is about $350 every 6 month just for liability here in San Francisco. What is actually killing me is the soft compound tires that make the car corners like if it is on the rail. The tires cost about $400 a piece with tax and last only about 10000 miles excluding installation & recycle fee. Now I leave the car in the garage and wait until the state passed legislation and have the drive by mile insurance available in California. I really enjoy my ebike plus the savings on both tires & insurance. :)

Here's my ebike:

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Hi Iyen,

Can you describe your system? I see you've got Dewalt packs but I'm not sure what type of motor that is...

Some specs on the battery (voltage, AH), controller, motor and power would be great.

Ambrose
 
ambroseliao said:
Hi Iyen,

Can you describe your system? I see you've got Dewalt packs but I'm not sure what type of motor that is...

Some specs on the battery (voltage, AH), controller, motor and power would be great.

Ambrose

Certainly, below is my current setup & specification:

2007 Dahon Cadenza folding bike (aluminum hybrid bike frame) at 27.6 lbs original weight
16 speed
700 x 25c wheels (upgraded from 26") + brakes modification
Continental Ultra Skin tires + Slime tubes + fabric tire protection liners
600W BMC high torque motor with custom sprockets
24v controller built-in on motor
battery: 4 x DeWalt DC9360 A123 LifePO4 power tool batteries (33V 2.3aH each at 1S4P = 33V 9.2aH) with 2 inside the bags. I used the flashlight adapters so the batteries and built-in BMS are no need to modify.
weight: 50 lbs
range: 10 typical San Francisco hilly miles + stop & go traffic (just enough capacity to get to work)
top speed: 25mph
charge time = 1 hour total with 4 chargers at home or 4 hours with 1 charger at work

Total weight (including batteries + motor + Topeak rack + Topeak Alien 2 tool) = 53.572 lbs > calculated by human + carried bike weight - human weight on a scale

I will try to slim down the weight further soon with my LiPo & new motor setup. Stay tune... :)
 
here in the lower mainland one of the biggest bonuses will be parking . being able to pull right up to the front door , chain it to a post and done is worth gold.

new toll bridge between my house and my shop , free on a bike. silverish

passing line's of cars waiting for a light . gold. even if the overall trip takes longer , not having to wait for people that shouldn't legally operate a vehicle is gold

the thought of trading the highway for the large network of forested trails to get to the same place is priceless.
 
I drive an average of 10K per year and do the repairs to my car myself or have the Son-in-law do them so it’s not to expensive to drive around an older car that seldom needs repaired. No parking costs as I seldom go down town and no toll roads/bridges as of yet.

Car cost for 5 years

Gas $3000
Insurance $2040
Tires $400
Repairs $1400

Total car cost $6840


Bike 1 cost

Bike $150

Upgrades after Purchase before I knew I was going to electrify
Lock $ 14
Fenders $ 30
Rack $ 34
Derailleur’s $ 80
Shift levers $ 49
Total $207

Safety items required
Mirror $ 16
Lights $ 46
Rear Wheel $ 70
Front Wheel $90
Tires $ 58
Total $400

Cost Required to Electrify
Hub kit $396
Battery 1&2 $750
Chargers $200
Total $1346

Total cost $1823

This is the cost for about 2.5k miles ridden in nearly a year.
Cost for electricity is negligible so not included.


Bike 2 cost

Giant trance3 MTB $1000
Batteries & charger $800
BMC 600w motor kit $700
8” rotor upgrades $80
Carbon handlebars $50
Carbon crank $130
BB road gears upgrade $40
Fenders $30
Rack $45
Wheel, spoke, tire upgrade $40
Higher stem $20

Total cost $2915

This is the cost for .5K miles thus far.

So total cost of e-bikes to travel 3K miles thus far is $4738
I have actually saved $325 in gas thus far and maybe another
$20 for an oil change.


Someone please tell me how I am saving money riding e-bikes! Not all of us are going to be saving money as we do not have to pay tolls or parking fees and will not be getting rid of our cars anytime soon. Still with all of the disabilities and HEP-C, I am a bit better off physically and emotional being able tinker with the bikes then get out and ride. So, the cost is well worth it to me at the moment. If the voices will not make me spend to much more on the addiction I may be able to actually save some money in the near future. Speaking of addictions look at … ;^)
 
well you only list one car

2 bikes

car for 5 years

how long the bikes ?
:wink:

just funnen ya.

really i think this is a subjective question . i drive like a grandma compared to how i ride my bike.

can i really compare the two if im trying to get every mile outta a tank of fuel compared to hoping curbs and taking the bike as fast as it can go? specially after one converts a bike to an eride . now its going well beyond its original design . i know what will happen if i take my car and overpower it and drive it like a mad man every day.
 
An outlier sort of anecdote because I sold my last car in the Spring of 1996.
I got back on the bikes in Summer 1999 after having not ridden since December 1986.

It cost me about $200 per year to maintain a bicycle in condition for daily service. The cost was actually split between two bikes for a year's service.
Cheaper than a bus pass and more fun.

However, every loose, saved, extra or gifted dollar gets spent on bikes so more bikes were acquired and built to fuel my "hobby". (obsession)
Then in Summer 2008 my finances permitted the favourite mount getting buzzed.
In the past ~18 months I've spent roughly $5000 building two ebikes. . . . and I already had both of the donor bikes.
There's two envelopes of receipts sitting here that I'm still afraid to look at as one of them keeps growing.
Some of it is for electronic hobby parts, supplies and tools not required for normal bicycle repair.

Riding an e-bike has saved me squat.
 
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