Ebike Video How To

Lenk42602

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Fellas,

My go pro is in my hands. I need advice. Lots of it. My hope is that the more experienced folks out there can provide tips for making quality vdeo footage - from th etype of cameras available, mounting options, screen angle selections, video editing, etc.....

Basically any viable input for making good videos for us all to enjoy is welcome!

- so how does any one have tips on how to "point" the camera in the optimal intended angle/direction? is it just trial and error?
- What are some common mounting points?
- What brackets are out there both factory, aftermarket, or home brewed?
- What kind of editing softare are folks using? Whats the easiest to use?
- Whats the deal with using un-licensed music and you tube "shutting down a vid"
- What else do I need to know to get started?

Len
 
On the takedowns, well, duh....you can't just throw a commercial song over your vid and distribute it via youtube.

I bet if you pretend you're a pro then you're half-way there....the rest is just getting to know the medium and practicing, right?
 
POV is the easiest to shoot:
The best one is prob the chesty mount for the gopro - shows the hands and POV
Helmet mounted footage comes out too disconnected
Bar mounted is ok but doesn't show the bike
Frame mounted is good too, but it only shows half

3rd-person view is more time consuming but better to watch, especially if you get someone to help you and use a proper pan/rotate/slide/zoom equipment

It's always nice to get some static shots and mix them up

Watch a few MTB or dirtbike movies and find out for yourself what works and what doesn't

My laptop came with PowerDirector and Windows Live Movie Maker preinstalled, I prefer the latter out of these two
 
hi len, i can help you. i've been a tv producer for 15 years, i know a thing or 2 about video. to start off, if you have a pc you get pinnacle video editing software or use imovie if you have a mac. these programs are very basic and easy to get you started. imovie is by far the easiest one out there. for the music, i will pm you with info. the gopro a very cool little camera, i will ask some of the camera operators at work for tips, they all have them. i can subscribe to this thread and give you feedback as you gain experience in making your vids. the best videos have the most variety of shots like close-ups, wide shots, crooked, static, moving, cool angles, ...etc. also, when you're shooting video, try to follow a logical sequence likefor example:
first shot : somebody walking towards the bike
second shot : getting on
third : taking off
seems logical, but the trick is being able to cut away with the principal actions like this:
first shot: somebody walking toward the bike
second shot : close up of the bike with out seeing the person
third shot : the person walks in the shot with the bike and puts on a helmet
fourth shot : close up of the helmet
fifth shot : wide shot of the bike taking off
etc...
by cutting away from the person, you're not stuck with that person always being in the shot and making your edits look weird, we call those jump cuts. that gopro camera is great for doing this, its small and you can put it in places where bigger cameras cant go. it dosent always have to be on a helmet. ill check with the guys at work and see how they use it. also, when you're working with music, make your edits follow the beat!
 
thanks FT, i reckon the chest mount will be the first trial set up.

have windows movie maker on my laptop as well. seems fairly straight forward...

len
 
I've found the handlebar mount very usefull. My recently favorite mount is on the frame, using a piece of half inch pvc pipe and the handlebar mount. The bottom of my battery boxes made a perfect attachment point, so the cam is on the downtube, off to the side enough to look past the forks. Look in pics and vids section for some examples of my fork view.

Anyway, anywhere you can put some handlebar size pipe attached to the bike, you can use the handlebar mount. So lots of cool pov's become possible.

Helmet mount has it's virtues, it looks where you do, but it ends up so high up that things look a bit abnormal.

Get the cam pointed right, too high or too low gets too much into the fisheye effect. But if it points at the horizon right, the center of the shot will be free of distortion.

You can use free music from You Tube. Once uploaded and processed, click edit, and you can select sound, then use thier music. The price is, you'll get ads at the bottom of the vid. But at least you get some tunes.

Idealy, you'd know a garage band that writes their own music. Could just be them improvising a jam. Anything at all known will get rejected by you tube I hear.
 
I got to get myself a Go-Pro, so far i'm just using my regular digital camera ( fujifilm F200 EXR )

Any old timers here will remember the dirt-Monkey and Steve Head.. i give him credit for the idea..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkTZ9Rtp8qs

[youtube]MkTZ9Rtp8qs[/youtube]

My biggest issue with the gopro is the mic is muffled when enclosed in the plastic housing... anyone know how to address this ?
 
Lenk42602 said:
do you have any videos? do you have any useful input? if not, well....

I do. I've shot w/ my laptop (crappy) and a Flip Mino HD (so-so) and the vids turned out ok. I wasn't aiming for pro quality though - just doing quick vids so I could show my bike at the time. I've done some video editing for friends as well.

"Pretend you're a pro" is a serious suggestion. If you approach it with that kind of mindset (like, "I want studio-level perfection") you can basically skip being a novice and jump straight to am/pro-am. Works for most things - pretend well enough, and nobody will know any different.

I think a basic shot-list or story board can help but if you're smart and well organized (..just 1 person..) then it might not be worth actually writing everything down. You need to know what you want though, to some degree, or you're gonna have a ton of random footage to edit into "something".


For music; there are sites devoted to independent musicians/bands and it's usually not hard to get a ahold of the artists. Some sites/artists are nicer than others but it shouldn't be too hard to get some quality music that few people have heard before. Still, you'd have to get permission to distribute someone else's work. take it easy
 
I've done a good bit with Adobe Premier using DSLR's. I've just gotten a GoPro2 and have only done a few things with it. Anyways, here's my pointers:

Stabilization is a huge deal. It's one of the big differences between amatuer amd pro video. In general, the wider the view angle the more tolerance you get towards to shakey cameras. But, even with the GoPro's it's there. And you'll notice the difference of stabilized footage versus non-stabilized footage. If mounting on a bike, you want to find the place with the least amount of vibration...which is why handlebar mount kind of sucks. I think the best place to mount to is in the middle of the frame on a FS bike...as it benefits the most from suspension...and has the weight of your body to help stabilize it.

Point of View is a big deal. Forget about framing the world from the physical perspective of your eyes. Your brain does huge amounts of spatial adjustment from where your eyes sit. Plus imagery that is compelling to watch offers a different perspective than we are used to. Someone above mentioned the chest mount..which is a good idea. Take a look at my crash video: http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=34291 At the end, as I pick the bike up you'll see the rig I was using: a monopod ziptied to the middle of the frame. The shot looks steady due to a couple of factors. One, it's rigidly mounted to a point that is dampened from vibration from the suspesnion and my weight. Two, it has a foreground element (the handlebars) that is moving with the camera. That gives the illusion of stabilization. And, the point of view (from your dick) is different than what you normally see...but still has a common reference point so you can associate it. You feel more like you're riding the bike than what you'de feel if I shot what my eyes were seeing.

Also, after the crash you see the external audio recorder. Audio is hugely important to video. That wreck is really nothing muted...but crank up the audio and you've got something funny. The GoPro audio sucks by design. If you have the GoPro2, you can plug in an external mic. Something like a Rode mini Shotgun with a deadcat style wind screen will work great. In the clip, I'm using a Zoom H4N with a Redhead windscreen (which is what I use for DSLR stuff.) And, Ive tried to place it with some wind deflection.

Now that clip is kind of boring because there's no edits (I was really just trying to show the crash.) When I edit, I typically get lots of footage, and cut it into interesting sub clips. Next, I'll drag a song I want to use as a soundtrack into the time line. From there I can get a visual sense of the beats of the song. Then I'll drag my subclips into the timeline...often adjusting the clip lengths to match the audio edit cues. Here's an example of some snowboarding stuff I"ve done which shows this style of editing: http://vimeo.com/28627229

All of the shots there were done with a just a monopod for stabilization. The static shots the mono was jammed into the snow...and for the moving shots, either the GoPRo or the 7D was put on a monopod and handheld. Just a simple monopod can do wonders for stabilization.

The editing can be real fun as you watch your crappy footage turn into something entertaining. Good luck.
 
Ypedal - your mount looks exactly like mine! Well, you beat me on money spent. Mine was like $2 in nylon webbing, yours must've been on a shoe string budget. Literally.

I put a little how-to video to show it in action.
[youtube]_YwrLdHPvVU[/youtube]

Got to adjust it a bit higher.. or lower the seat :lol:
 
the thing with the gopro (self mounted) is just that its so overused these days, that angle gets old quick,
need to mix it up....

and the other thing that bugs me is a lot people don't show their bike, or wait till the end.
they need to show their bike in the beginning of the video before the ride starts,
and talk about it a little,
otherwise it leaves the viewer wondering what kind of bike they are riding...


and search "electric bicycle" on youtube, you can see what others have put up.

[youtube]A4VRhIQPrtg[/youtube]

[youtube]lPMwPNlZIOE[/youtube]
 
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