E-HP said:
Here are my thoughts about the two pieces, Convocation of Lies and The Discernment of Candor:
I liked both, but so far I prefer Convocation of Lies, but not for a reason I can pinpoint. It feels more like listening to a story, with a beginning, middle and end, even though the mix and style seemed consistent throughout. I liked the pace of the music, not music for sleeping, but action or doing something. The Discernment of Candor had more variation, but didn’t have that same story feel. I liked that it had variation in the mix of instrument sounds, but also had some quiet sections that isolated one or two sounds. Those sections made it more interesting. Also, at the very beginning, the sound, sort of like a bassoon, reminded me of last weekend when I rode through a park, and there was a group of people playing didgeridoos of all things. I thought I was going to hear more of that, and the sound was probably there, but mixed with a lot of other sounds. It sort of felt out of place the first time I listened to it.
Thank you. The intro to TDoC is actually "monks", specifically a plugin called The Delay Lama. I have been considering removing that intro; I had other ideas for it but it turns out the plugin can't be remotely controlled via any of the interfaces I have, for the things I need to do with it; I can only "record" the movements I make with it's onscreen controls, which I can't do the way they need to be done, with a trackball or mouse (and don't have a touchscreen that might let me). I tried hand-drawing envelopes to do the work (and also modifying "recorded" ones off the onscreen controls), but SONAR's drawing tools for this are so primitive and hard to use that I can't get the shapes right.
There is also more of this sound in the background of most of TDoC, but you can't specifically hear it over the rest of the sounds; it just fills out some of the chords and bassline here and there.
FWIW, CoL had an intro section of a few bars that I removed because it didn't fit with the rest of the sound of things; I tried a lot of stuff to fix that before giving up and just taking it off entirely. You can hear those in the several versions of CoL that are on the http://soundclick.com/amberwolf page (they're a ways down in the list, I think they're all in one section). Some of the early versions sound quite different thru the entire song than the present one. Much more like TDoC in the lack of variation throughout.
The detail and variation in Convocation of Lies, especially it's "sectioning", is something I've been working on in TDoC, but CoL is several months older and has had more time for more work on it. I also haven't been able yet to make the decisions on which parts of TDoC to mute or change or swap to open up the space for other parts; this was relatively easy for CoL as there were a lot of crappy bits that were easy to cut out when I started with that one. :lol:
So it's good to know that this is a good direction to keep going in.
TDoC has actually gone thru two completely different versions. I'm not sure I ever uplaoded the first one; I only got some stuff recorded and a few glaring mistakes edited out before I "started over", as I just didn't have a feel for going further with it. The present TDoC is the evolution of the redo.
I may have some additional thoughts after hearing them a few more times. I only listened to the Candor one once, but the Lies one three times. I'm curious of how you came up with the names. I tried initially to see if the meaning came through in the sounds, but then just decided to listen for enjoyment instead.
Well...I actually have a notepad file full of "cool titles" that pop into my head, noted down whenever that randomly happens. I don't usually have a specific meaning for a song so it often gets a title out of that list. Convocation of Lies was titled that way.
Some songs I actually have a specific idea for, and a name, even before I start--but rarely. Mostly I just hear a sound in my head, and figure out slowly how to get it into the computer as closely as possible to what I hear (a process that frequently completely fails). I often have dreams of a specific piece of music, but can very very rarely spend the time when I awaken from them to try to put them into the computer (have to either get up for work or go back to sleep so I can then function at work when I do get up for that). I almsot never have the same music-dream again, so almost all of this music is lost, as I don't remember it later, not consciously at least.
The Discernment of Candor is titled based on being a "set" with CoL and I wanted an opposing concept/title for it. I thought about different concepts to decide what CoL was really supposed to be about, then decided it was about the gathering and concentration of misinformation and how it can become "truth" to people when they hear enough of the same things for a long enough time. Then TDoC became an emotional response to that, rejecting the lies and the people telling and believing in them. I doubt any of that comes across musically, as it wasn't really in my head when making either of them....
I actually have words for TDoC, that should convey the idea (quoted at the end of this post), but I can't carry a tune in a locked steel box, so the only way I can get words into a song is to sing or say each word or phrase into a microphone into SONAR as cleanly and clearly as possible, then hand-tune and trim each and fix timing manually, and place them in the song where they feel right. An example of "raw" vocals (barely cleaned up, left that way for emotional reasons) is in "As He Lay There, Dying Alone" (which is about PeanutButter's death at the start of 2020). A couple of examples of partly-fixed vocals are "Drying Tears" (about Yogi and Kirin's deaths last year) and "Back to the World" (about returning to "normal" life after all that happened last year).
It's a long tedious process (dozens of hours minimum, potentially hundreds--far far longer than creating the rest of the song) and I usually don't finish it because of that, and that almost no one actually ever hears my stuff anyway.
Ideally I'd get an actual vocalist to sing stuff, but have yet to find anyone capable of it that's interested, given that there's no money in any of this, just being credited for the work.
CoL does have an actual guitarist on it for the "lead" guitar sections, Travis Lausch, who liked it and heard a track he wanted to play, so he recorded that as a long continuous track I then cut and spliced into the mix as I felt it to fit; it was a little different than where he concieved of in places, but he said it still works.
That's the only collaboration that ever resulted in anything, other than a very old project from the 90s called DeadManSwitch where Branden Harper added a more pounding kick/bass drumline to it. Don't know if I have that one up anywhere. The other couple of collaboration attempts never went anywhere; couldn't get them to keep communicating with me or get together, etc.
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The Discernment of Candor:
Truth.
Lies.
Which is Which.
Who tells what.
How do I know
who to trust (trust)
who to push away
who to hold close
Truth is lies
-and lies are truth
you tell me this
- but you mean that
I hear your words but maybe they're mine
I can't tell which voice cries them out
I believe in a thing called truth but
not a single person out there knows what
someone else's truth is going to be
or what when they open their eyes they'll see
You don't know a goddamned thing about me
so how can you tell me what is right and true
You can't know what is right for me only for you
why don't you open that door walk out and leave
Every trust is broken
Betrayal smashes me
into glittering shards
dust shining in the wind
broken bits of me
falling down the well
Truth.
Lies.
Which is Which.
Who tells what.
How do I know
who to trust (trust)
who to push away
who to hold close
drowning in the pool of lies
under sparkling cover of truth
Truth is lies
-and lies are truth
you tell me this
- but you mean that
You give me hope
-then rip it from
my shattered heart
my broken brain
I can't tell
who to trust
Confusion reigns
certainty flies
Every trust is broken
Betrayal smashes me
into glittering shards
dust shining in the wind
broken bits of me
falling down the well
drowning in the pool of lies
under sparkling cover of truth
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