Ford pulls a DoctorBass and tows 1 million pounds with electric F150 prototype
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markz
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Teeth, nutsack, nipples
billvon said:
I got into EVs specifically from watching insane shit like doctorbass pull a prius with a bike and the A123 powered killacycle murdering basically everything on the drag strip. I loved the electric vehicle showboating aspect of the late 2000's - early 2010's.
It was cool because it felt like a solution to the oil crisis finally existed. And on top of that, it was better.
Sounds like the carbonation has gone flat on that enthusiasm around here..
It was cool because it felt like a solution to the oil crisis finally existed. And on top of that, it was better.
Sounds like the carbonation has gone flat on that enthusiasm around here..
I'm more for the huge torque to pull stuff with...I don't need much speed, but I gotta be able to pull a lot of load and get it up to speed PDQ. 
That's what i love about electric drive. The amazing amount of torque you can develop from a stall. I like to crank my amps up until the bike just barely doesn't wheelie so that when i twist the throttle hard, it pulls hard enough to give an average motorcycle rider the willies 
, and as well, get out of any dangerous traffic situation in a jiffy, thanks to the instant response 
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After piloting some hand-controlled rockets of bikes ( leafmotor on 6kW was a blaaaaaaaaaaaaaast! ), i think that anything with a gasoline motor is a depressing and backwards step that represents continued dependence on oil and oil geopolitics... and it's also no fun to wait on a gas motor to... e...v..e..n.tually make the power you're requesting by pinning the throttle to the floor.
I think that showboating an electric F150 is a cool as hell thing, because it may even bring the truck drivers into the EV fold. I would expect that the chassis' metal frame itself would be the limiting factor on what could be towed. Trucks will be one of the places that electric vehicles shine and are sort of the final frontier for proving the inferiority of the gasoline engine.
, and as well, get out of any dangerous traffic situation in a jiffy, thanks to the instant response .After piloting some hand-controlled rockets of bikes ( leafmotor on 6kW was a blaaaaaaaaaaaaaast! ), i think that anything with a gasoline motor is a depressing and backwards step that represents continued dependence on oil and oil geopolitics... and it's also no fun to wait on a gas motor to... e...v..e..n.tually make the power you're requesting by pinning the throttle to the floor.
I think that showboating an electric F150 is a cool as hell thing, because it may even bring the truck drivers into the EV fold. I would expect that the chassis' metal frame itself would be the limiting factor on what could be towed. Trucks will be one of the places that electric vehicles shine and are sort of the final frontier for proving the inferiority of the gasoline engine.
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It's probably worth noting that the trains themselves are propelled by several big electric motors. Each motor not much larger then pickup's V8. The big diesel motors themselves have no direct physical connection to the wheels. They are just power generators for the electric motors.
If you are pulling trains full of coal or consumer goods that are over 2 miles long... you need that torque. In fact the trains are only limited by the ability for their brakes to stop them.
Of course sometimes things get slippery on steel rails.. and when they do..
https://i.imgur.com/IRxJmiv.jpg
If you are pulling trains full of coal or consumer goods that are over 2 miles long... you need that torque. In fact the trains are only limited by the ability for their brakes to stop them.
Of course sometimes things get slippery on steel rails.. and when they do..
https://i.imgur.com/IRxJmiv.jpg
Good point, and it's funny that despite other possible solutions, they just decided to take the lossy route of 'lots of motors' over using a 999 speed transmission :lol:
It makes engineering sense.
If we had 2x-3x as dense electric batteries, i think the gasoline engine would never be a potential solution being considered by any engineering department.
It makes engineering sense.
If we had 2x-3x as dense electric batteries, i think the gasoline engine would never be a potential solution being considered by any engineering department.
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neptronix said:
Trucks make the most expensive passenger EVs from a cost per mile of range standpoint due to the extra mass and aerodynamic drag and high rolling resistance tires needed for traction all conspiring to increase the pack size.
As Tesla's already cheap battery packs become cheaper, trucks will become more viable for electrification.
However, one major "weakness"(not the proper word) with electric versus gasoline ICE for this application is that as you increase the load upon the gasoline engine, its efficiency rises, whereas electric does not have this due the broad efficiency of electric motors. The efficiency versus load and RPM varies widely for an ICE or diesel when looking at an engine's BSFC curve. This means that towing a trailer or a boat will have much less of an adverse impact on cruising range per fuel-up for an ICE or diesel truck versus an EV truck.
For an EV truck to really excel, for a given cruising range per charge unloaded, it will likely need a pack twice as large to accommodate any towing loads than it would need without any intent to tow.
An electric passenger truck that can tow a trailer for 300 miles on a charge at freeway speeds without holding up traffic is likely going to require a 200 kWh pack or even larger. With aerodynamic work and attention to detail regarding efficiency(there's no reason a full size truck with an exposed bed couldn't have a CdA of under 0.6 m^2, even if it might look funky), this same truck might get 600-800 miles range per charge on that pack when it's not towing a boat or trailer behind it under similar driving conditions.
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Yes vote for the EV torque showboating
Agreed. I would note that pickup trucks are pretty ideal vehicles to accommodate extra battery packs or accessory ICE engines for unusual cases like long range towing. Imagine, for example, a camping trailer than can use its generator (which most of them have to begin with) to supplement the battery - or even a powered axle.The Toecutter said:
sleepy_tired
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All that video shows is how excellent the presenter is at slaughtering strawmen.
I don't think that Ford claimed anywhere that you can go ahead and start hauling 1 million pounds down the road with their electric truck. You'd have to be kinda daft not to understand it's just silly marketing stunt.
I don't think that Ford claimed anywhere that you can go ahead and start hauling 1 million pounds down the road with their electric truck. You'd have to be kinda daft not to understand it's just silly marketing stunt.
goatman
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everyones missed the big problem. ITS A FORD, youd go broke trying to fix it and after ten years they stop making parts for them. I think Moodys listed Ford as a junk bond rating.
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sleepy_tired said:
The typical truck enthusiast would either think that, yes, Ford is saying that their E-F150 will pull that much on the road (but didn't have big enough trailers to do it) or that the truck could almost manage it, with the right tires and a smooth, hard road. It's helpful to dispel illusions generated to deliberately mislead consumers.
What's your point? The target audience is men who commute in the rough equivalent of three cars at once. Some of them occasionally use their Giant Commuting Monstrosities as they would a full sized station wagon, and use that to rationalize all the non-truck-use of their trucks. Many more would never get their GCMs dirty or scratched doing that. A small number suspect - correctly - that actual truck work would destroy their trucks in a few short years, if not months...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzKCJsou10w&pbjreload=10
Explains the trickery quite well.
Explains the trickery quite well.
but perhaps it will have a larger battery pack of easily-reused cells, so that when they get totalled from the aggressive driving of the owner the packs will be good sources of diy ev packs.
the packs will be good sources of diy ev packs.Similar threads
