Full Face Helmet

Someone has the Bellistics on EBAY for under $60.00. I may get one to use on my 30MPH e-scooter, as an open face helmet doesn't really give much protection if you care about your face.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Bell-Bellistic-Bike-Helmet-Titanium-Coal_W0QQitemZ310062360760QQihZ021QQcategoryZ58077QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 
ebay is fine but dont buy an ill fitting helmet, make sure it fits snug - i think you measure around the forehead? i have a 61mm dome which is kinda big for a skinny bloke :( anyone know if thats the right way to measure?
Anyway if you prefer the proper full face i was looking at the "specialised deviant", very nice but not as cheap as the bell which looks ok to me?
horses for courses as ever, for me the detachable chinguard is a godsend (i'd only have the parachute) as if i rode my stinky up the road with a full face i'd get pulled by the law no doubt, its a little more passable as an electric bicycle with the chinless MET?
Any of those discussed are better than sturdly's fettish helmet :lol:


Cheers,


Andy
 
deecanio said:
ebay is fine but dont buy an ill fitting helmet, make sure it fits snug - i think you measure around the forehead? i have a 61mm dome which is kinda big for a skinny bloke :( anyone know if thats the right way to measure?
Anyway if you prefer the proper full face i was looking at the "specialised deviant", very nice but not as cheap as the bell which looks ok to me?
horses for courses as ever, for me the detachable chinguard is a godsend (i'd only have the parachute) as if i rode my stinky up the road with a full face i'd get pulled by the law no doubt, its a little more passable as an electric bicycle with the chinless MET?
Any of those discussed are better than sturdly's fettish helmet :lol:


Cheers,


Andy

Measure right above your eyebrow.
 
Love the Easy Rider pic of Captain America and George, Tyler. I must've watched that movie a dozen or more times when I was supposed to be in college, still play the soundtrack in the car from time to time.........

My favourite helmet has to be an ordinary open face, fitted with one of these: http://www.sillyhelmetcovers.com/

Maybe it's down to this country having been over run by Vikings well over a thousand years ago.

Jeremy
 
Really cool, aren't they? I'd have worn mine on Scrapheap Challenge (aka Junkyard Wars - see my avatar), but the production crew insist on being in "uniform".

Jeremy
 
This one seems to have reasonable ventilation:
http://www.cyclestore.co.uk/productDetails.asp?productID=14289

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Similar link:

http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3615&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=helmets

peace,

Len
 
Hi Miles,

I think that is the deviant itself :), nice.
thanks for the confirmation on how to measure up for a lid Yeti.
Cheers

D
 
all you need to add to the viking dome is a t-shirt the local hard core mountain bike store sells that says "Ride like an idiot"
 
Here in Costa Rica there is socialized healthcare, and there's been talk of repealing the helmet law, because wearing helmets has greatly increased the number of people in accidents who are supported by the state as vegetables instead dead. These helmets, if anything, increase the possibility of getting into an accident by reducing your field of vision and impede your hearing. On top of that it increases your chance of being a vegetable. While I'll take full measures to avoid getting into an accident, no way I'm ever wearing a helmet unless it's required by law. I like the free feeling of wind through my hair, and don't believe in betting on something bad happening such as helmets, insurance, etc. I also don't want to increase my odds of becoming a vegetable. If you're really that worried about head/face injury in an accident, then get a bike with a recumbent position where the injuries are typically legs and ankles instead of head and face. Me, I plan to only touch the ground intentionally, and only with my feet.
John
 
deecanio said:
Hi Miles,

I think that is the deviant itself :), nice.
thanks for the confirmation on how to measure up for a lid Yeti.
Cheers

D

No problem man. I wear hats, so I learned that while picking out my first one. Gotta protect your knoggin. :mrgreen:
 
John in CR said:
Here in Costa Rica there is socialized healthcare, and there's been talk of repealing the helmet law, because wearing helmets has greatly increased the number of people in accidents who are supported by the state as vegetables instead dead. These helmets, if anything, increase the possibility of getting into an accident by reducing your field of vision and impede your hearing. On top of that it increases your chance of being a vegetable. While I'll take full measures to avoid getting into an accident, no way I'm ever wearing a helmet unless it's required by law. I like the free feeling of wind through my hair, and don't believe in betting on something bad happening such as helmets, insurance, etc. I also don't want to increase my odds of becoming a vegetable. If you're really that worried about head/face injury in an accident, then get a bike with a recumbent position where the injuries are typically legs and ankles instead of head and face. Me, I plan to only touch the ground intentionally, and only with my feet.
John

Working in the healthcare industry and knowing several physical therapists, I recommend no one take this advice. Riding without a helmet will make you dead or a vegetable if you are in a crash. A proper helmet will not reduce visibility, and a well ventilated one will keep you cool too. It *might* also save your life.

If you still don't believe me, go ahead and ask a nurse or PT what they think about helmets, especially if they were employed during the transition from no helmets to helmet laws.
 
Fitek,

By all means pump up that fear factor for someone admittedly "freaking paranoid". While you're at it get a law passed requiring helmets be worn while in a car too, along with 5 point harnesses and proper roll cages. The only advice in my post was "If you're really that worried about head/face injury in an accident, then get a bike with a recumbent position where the injuries are typically legs and ankles instead of head and face." Also, take extreme measures to ensure that you and your bike are seen, as well as follow the cycling safety pointers linked in that thread. That leaves you hitting some obstacle or your bike coming apart as causes of hitting the ground with your head, and those solutions are obvious. These things will go a lot further to avoid serious injury than adding a face guard to a bike helmet. All these bike helmets are highly questionable in terms of effectiveness anyway. If you're serious about safety, wear a motorcycle helmet. At the speeds we're traveling with ebikes, normal bicycle helmets come up way short.

It's like the idiots on bikes doing the face plants in the YouTube videos. You want them to wear a helmet with a face guard, and I want them not to do the stupid stunt in the first place.
 
John in CR said:
Here in Costa Rica there is socialized healthcare, and there's been talk of repealing the helmet law, because wearing helmets has greatly increased the number of people in accidents who are supported by the state as vegetables instead dead.
John

The logic of this leaves me gasping...........
 

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Head injuries rise since repeal of biker helmet law
by MATTHEW SPOLAR, For The Patriot-News Wednesday June 25, 2008, 9:30 PM

The message at Appalachian Harley-Davidson on the Carlisle Pike was as loud and clear as the engines roaring outside: Leave the decision to us.

It has been a common mantra among motorcyclists since the 2003 repeal of the law that required all riders to wear helmets in Pennsylvania.

Now faced with two reports released in a span of two weeks that show a sustained jump in serious motorcycle-related head injuries since the repeal of the law -- the most recent was released Wednesday by state lawmakers -- they might have to raise their voices louder.


"I think you should have the option -- your freedom," David Cressler, 58, said, adding that no study would change his opinion on the subject.

Cressler said he usually rides with a helmet, opting to hop on his 2007 Kawasaki Nomad without it only if he's taking short trips around his Shippensburg neighborhood on a hot day.

The study released Wednesday by the Legislative Budget and Finance Committee shows head injuries spiking from 15.3 per 10,000 registrants in Pennsylvania in 2003 to 18.1 in 2007.

Motorcycle-related crashes in the state are up 45 percent since 2000. The number of motorcycle crash fatalities reached a high of 225 in 2007, a 50 percent increase since 2000.

But motorcycle registrations have increased nearly 70 percent in the same time pan.

While trying on a helmet in the spacious Silver Spring Township store, Paul Withun, 41, of Newville, said the crash data are a matter of simple logic. Withun said he always wears a helmet but doesn't think it should be required.

"One would think that the more people there are on motorcycles, the more motorcycle accidents there are going to be," he said.

But the number of head injuries since the 2003 repeal is a much more telling analysis of the consequences from relaxing the law, said Rep. David Levdansky, D-Allegheny County.

Additionally, a larger percentage of patients with motorcycle-related head injuries -- 56.3 percent -- were found to have been riding without helmets last year than any other year since the turn of the century. By comparison, 8.3 percent of patients were not wearing helmets in 2000.

A study released this month by researchers at the University of Pittsburgh compared motorcycle-related injuries two years before and two years after the repeal. They found that head-injury deaths increased 32 percent and head-injury hospitalizations jumped 42 percent after accounting for the increase in registrations.

Rep. Dan Frankel, D-Allegheny County, said the study showed the need to support a bill that he has sponsored that would reinstate a helmet requirement for riders 21 and older. Currently, all Pennsylvanians 21 and older who have been licensed for two years and have completed a training course can ride without a helmet.

John Rowe, chief analyst for the Legislative Budget and Finance Committee, said that although the committee report used different data sources than the Pittsburgh study, both found that the state has seen substantial increases in serious motorcycle-related head injuries since the repeal.

Sen. John Wozniak, D-Cambria County, who sponsored the bill to repeal the helmet law, said the report does not look at the involvement of speed or alcohol in crashes.

Rep. Scott Conklin, D-Centre County, a licensed motorcyclist, said he rides with a helmet but supports the free will of others.

"I think, basically, we're still where we were three years ago. ... Both sides are able to use what information they have to debate the issue in their favor," he said.

On his way to a biker rally in Johnstown, Bill Antal, 42, tried to understand why some riders choose not to wear helmets. In Antal's native New Jersey, helmets are required.

"Maybe it's the freedom," he said. "Not a lot of freedom when you're in the hospital with a broken skull."


http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2008/06/head_injuries_rise_since_repea.html
 
Miles,
I for one have no interest in becoming a vegetable, and if I am I hope someone has the mercy to pull the plug.

Tyler,
It goes without saying that in any accident where your head hits something, a helmet is going to offer some level of protection. On the other hand, those PA #'s can support my viewpoint. Per capita accidents are down without helmets. Are people riding safer, can they see better, who knows? Stats can usually be twisted to suite any viewpoint. The interesting stat is that only 56% of the serious head injury cases were with no helmet...meaning for almost half of the serious head injuries people had their helmets on. That's motorcycle helmets, so just imagine how little these bike helmets really protect you. We're not talking about mountain biking, where taking tumbles is a common part of the sport, or a little kid learning how to ride a bike at less than 10mph.

I still think the best way to avoid injury is not get into an accident to begin with. Of course I don't want to crack my noggin open, but I don't want to break any bones either, so where does the protective gear line stop. I'm sure plenty of people are as clueless on an ebike as they are behind the wheel of a car, so going all the way to the extreme of airbag jackets may be advisable. I choose total freedom and comfort, but will take accident avoidance seriously, and in all likelihood the fact that I know I'm more at risk will actually make me safer instead of being lulled into a false sense of security.

John
 
John in CR said:
Miles,
I for one have no interest in becoming a vegetable, and if I am I hope someone has the mercy to pull the plug.
We're in agreement there, for sure....

I still think the best way to avoid injury is not get into an accident to begin with.
Sure, but that's true whether your wearing a helmet or not...
 
Professionals in every contact sport except basketball wear a helmet! Of course Car and motorcycle racing are contact sports!!! And Basketball players wear face shields when nasal and mouth injuries occur! I worked in the ER for a few years, and DOA was the order of the day if a motorcyclist didnt wear a helmet! John, U may be a great engineer, but this lack of helmet thing aint right! Say it aint so!
otherDoc
 
If riding a bicycle without at helmet was the most dangerous thing I did, life would be pretty boring. If you guys are really that scared maybe you shouldn't ride. There are many things you can do to make your ebiking safer. I plan to do almost all of them except wear a helmet. I you feel the need to wear a helmet, how can you possibly justify wearing a biking helmet instead of a proper helmet? Oh, but I guess that wouldn't look cool. Do something right or not at all, and a bike helmet is half-a$$ at best. I'll keep myself safe in other far more effective ways.
 
Your logic is astounding. I might be paranoid about having my things stolen (My friggin 50 dollar Inzer weightlifting belt just got stolen by some little bastard!) But I am not overly frightful of injury on my e-bike. When I powerlift I take the risk of injury seriously, I accept that same risk while riding my bike. Now, a BMX helmet will offer me some level of protection if I should be hit by a car, but I think it goes without saying that if you are hit by a car in any situation you are liable to be in seriously bad condition. I feel that wearing a full size motorcycle helmet will only hinder my ability to hear/move/and see. They are a lot heavier and clunkier than BMX helmets and therefore I feel the risks outweigh the benefits. BMX helmets are designed to be lightweight, and to allow you good field of vision.

If I feel that my field of vision is severely compromised with a helmet I will not buy it. But I am going to wear some form of head protection.
 
I consider riding a bike or trike on the street one of the most dangerous things I do, and try to minimize risk accordingly! For me, a bike helmet makes sense! If I did BMX racing or had a fast bike, well, I would try to protect myself further. I think its human nature, except in certain species of teenagers!
otherDoc
 
You guys really should be wearing proper helmets. About all the typical helmet is going to do is maybe avoid the need for head stitches in a minor tumble. The way I see it is the marginal added safety is immaterial compared to the overall biking risk. We're not talking about riding a bike on dirt with only other bikes to avoid like with BMX racing. I would wear a helmet for BMX racing or mountain biking. Street riding is a whole different ball game and I just don't see the added value of a bike helmet, so my approach is accident avoidance not worry about what happens in case of an accident. If I worried about that, I'd build some type of EV with an outer protective shell instead of an Ebike. The people who worry enough to wear a bike helmet are probably the same ones riding around with ear buds stuck in their ears, or talking on a cell phone (hands free or not), and I assure you things like that put you at far greater risk than not wearing a helmet. Maybe my position will change once I have a bike that does 40mph+, but if so I'll wear a proper helmet. Until then it's freedom and comfort for me. :D
 
TylerDurden said:
Dibs on the liver. :twisted:

As long as I'm finished using it, take whatever you want. You'll be waiting a while, because I've got some good genes and a good 40yrs to go. Plus with or without a helmet, I'm quite a bit safer than most of you guys, even if only because drivers here inherently pay closer attention to obstacles in the road, not to mention that I have no work commute and my street riding will be for running local errands. People have a surprisingly high likelihood of dying the way they expect, and I expect people to be able to say "He came and went at the same time." :mrgreen: , so there's no way I'm getting killed riding a bike.

John
 
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