Full Face Helmet
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TylerDurden
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The Realm of the Senses...?Miles said:
John in CR
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TylerDurden said:
No, Richard Prior. As soon as I heard that routine, I knew that's the way I wanted to go. Later when I read a stat about the high chances of dying the way you expect, I decided on it. I've informed my wife, so she could be prepared and happy for me.
TylerDurden
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Sadly, the hooker is always the last to find out the party's over.John in CR said:
TylerDurden
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Absolutely not. I was implying he might check-out at the local brothel.
John in CR
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TylerDurden said:
Actually she is, but only for me, so I've no interest in paying via the cheaper route at a brothel (legal here btw).
Back to topic, and maybe the ER docs can answer this. Does a full face helmet offer much benefit on a bike? I've been trying to figure out how you'd end up face first and I come up empty. Yeti's a strong guy, so it would take a body pulverizing blow to toss him around like a rag doll for a face plant, in which case his face will be the least of his worries. I'd think that the natural tendency is to try to tuck and roll.
AussieJester
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John in CR said:
Or simply a car pulling out of a side street straight in front of him sending him over the handlebars at a great rate of knots, the sheer shock of it the last thing you think about is a "tuck and roll" as you suggest :-S In all likely hood the impact will knock him out and from that point on he is simply a "passenger" on "air Yeti" till if hes lucky wakes up in ICU...
Thankfully the laws in Australia call for helmets for bicyclists and motorcyclist if they weren't and i wasn't wearing one i would be dead from my accident, my head was the only thing i didnt break, the helmet was split from the rear base to the center of the top too from colliding with the lampost then the ground after a front tyre blowout... Having spent ~12 months in hospital after it and seeing many people in the head injured ward i wont be leaving the garage without a helmet. If it was only you riding on the road fair a enough, there is however countless other unknowns that will ass end you...ill take your kidneys when your done John in CR to thanx k bai
John in CR
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AussieJester said:
Jester,
I'm very sorry to hear about your accident. Maybe we can learn something from it. While I understand that you feel that your helmet saved you life, my position is that proper safety measures most likely would have prevented the accident to begin with. 1. A recumbent layout with weight lower and likely more rearward making a front blowout recoverable or the crash less damaging 2. Better tires and or inspection of your tires. I'm just getting back into biking, but I rode regularly from age 5 all the way through college, and never had a flat that caused an accident. Can you please provide full details, so we might avoid similar conditions and results.
Also, the topic is full face helmets vs regular helmets. Were you wearing a full face helmet? Would it have helped, since it sounds like your accident was about as bad as they come?
John
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nutsandvolts said:
For darwinism hands down. On the street I live on a couple blocks up is a den of motorcycle enthusiasts. A great bunch of men and women with truly impressive machines. Really nice people with hearts of gold. Dozens of them. At least every other month or so we read in the paper about one of them dying. They never and I mean never wear helmets. Their choice. *shrug*
When I was paragliding every day I often thought about dying as it was a distinct possibility every time I took off. I figured dying doing what I loved was darwinism defined at it's finest.
'Course when I shattered my right ankle a couple summers ago getting flushed out of a thermal 150' above launch and barely have any tendons/ligaments left to show for it my definition of "dying doing what I loved" changed considerably. Funny how I can't seem to stomach more than 20mph or so on my ebike. :wink:
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John in CR said:
It was a 600 dollar SHOEI full face helmet...and the Only thing that can be learnt from it is you can never spend enough on a helmet to protect your head ...end of story. If your unprotected head hits the road at speed it WILL crack like a walnut, you can sit back and spout as much crap as you like on things to prevent it from happening, but at the end of the day John the fact remains asphalt /concrete/steel are all harder than your head even yours pal
and for you to sit back and advise people here (some of them not much more than kids) that wearing a helmet does more harm than good is nothing short of irresponsible and imo your posts should be deleted so some poor trusting sole that is less 'godlike' than yourself doesnt take your advice.
John in CR
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AussieJester said:
End of story??? The real story is don't ride faulty equipment or in a manner that exceeds the capacity of your equipment, or you could spend 12 months in the hospital as a direct result, even if you do wear a helmet. There are a number of other things that increase your safety more than any helmet ever could. Anyone who doesn't get that shouldn't stop at a good helmet. I didn't advise anyone not to wear a helmet, only that they can detract from your hearing and vision. In fact, I suggested that people wear proper helmets instead of the typical inadequate biking helmets. Your accident is a perfect case in point, and luckily you had a good one on.
Doctorbass
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Witch BICYCLE or BMX full face helmet are DOT certified??
I have 175$ to spend for getting one.
DOT certified helmet would be the best for ebiker with 2kW+ and max speed of 50kph+... :lol:
Doc
I have 175$ to spend for getting one.
DOT certified helmet would be the best for ebiker with 2kW+ and max speed of 50kph+... :lol:
Doc
Mark_A_W
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docnjoj said:
While I agree with you 100% about the helmets, it's only girly american footballers that wear helmets. Aussie Rules and Rugby (thugby) footballers aint so soft....stupider maybe, but no helmets there.
What did Giles say in Buffy? Sometime about wearing 50 pounds of armor just to play rugby LOL.
I however would never ride on the road with cars without my helmet. My brother and a co-worker have both had serious cycling crashes involving completely crushed helmets, and got away with few days in hospital for my brother (his eye mainly), and 6 weeks in hospital (+2 months in neck brace) for my coworker.
It does depend on how you are riding your bike - at speed and in traffic mean helmet!
I'm thinking about a full face helmet...I kinda like my teeth.
I've come off my e-bike twice now, and both times my backpack has saved me from serious roadrash. Don't forget the backpack!!
docnjoj
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I was a bike tour "chaperone" in my younger days and managed to hit a sewer that wasa foot below grade! Folded my Motobecane(sp?) like it was a pretzel! I had face reconstruction surgery, having landed on my face. This was before helmets. A face shield and helmet would have really reduced the injuries! Obviously, you can exceed the specs of any safety equipment, but most of the time, we ride within safety parameters! Motorcyclists die at high rates compared to car or bike riders (4X, I think). If yer time comes, well, it does. But playing the odds against the reaper seems like U need all the help U can get! Helmet please, and face shield for higher speeds and /or rough terrain! Antways John, I would love to see U survive to have many happy years on that friction drive bike!
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michaelplogue
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Endorsing riding without a helmet is like endorsing unprotected sex. It's irresponsible.
John in CR said:
the topic was actually just "full face helmets" before it descended into "should you/shouldn't you wear one".
I have had my bike for two years now and i dont have a helmet..........yet.
I have to say that although i wouldn't ever encourage anyone NOT to wear one,obviously i haven't worn one myself yet.
Although i dont agree with all that John is saying i kind of do agree that it is not always essential to wear one.how many of us here are 35+ ??? and i dont ever remember anyone wearing a helmet of any kind for a bicycle when i was a kid???
If i rode on the road i would wear one at all times, no debate - it doesn't matter how good a rider you are some melon will always step out/pull out and cause you to crash at some point and theres only one winner in a head versus concrete dual.
there are 2 types of rider, one who has been down, and one who is going down :lol: so you make your own evaluation and wear or dont wear dependant on your outlook.
I only ride in the forest so i know if i crash badly it will be my own fault - i'm still undecided if i will buy one or not but i guess everyone will have to decide for themselves whether they want to take the risk or not.
Cheers
D
tailwind
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About three weeks before the helmet laws came in I had an accident.
I had bought myself a helmet for Christmas but I wasn't wearing it because it was going to be 38C that day.
On the ride home I think I was knocked unconscious when the rear door of a passing truck swung open and hit me. I landed on the road head first.
I work in a hospital. A guy was brought in who was riding his motorbike without a helmet.
It wasn't a high speed crash, but he had massive head injuries.
The thing I remember about it was feeling something drop on my foot and looking down and
seeing some grey matter resting there.
I thought even if this guy survives, thats part of his mind/soul he is never going to get back.
So I would recommend wearing a helmet.
Greg
I had bought myself a helmet for Christmas but I wasn't wearing it because it was going to be 38C that day.
On the ride home I think I was knocked unconscious when the rear door of a passing truck swung open and hit me. I landed on the road head first.
I work in a hospital. A guy was brought in who was riding his motorbike without a helmet.
It wasn't a high speed crash, but he had massive head injuries.
The thing I remember about it was feeling something drop on my foot and looking down and
seeing some grey matter resting there.
I thought even if this guy survives, thats part of his mind/soul he is never going to get back.
So I would recommend wearing a helmet.
Greg
John in CR
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michaelplogue said:
I have unprotected sex almost every day, and it's not the least bit irresponsible, because my precautions guarantee 100% safety. Again, I never endorsed riding without a helmet, and will make my kids wear them. I may even change my mind once I make a fast high powered ebike, but it would be a proper helmet, and since landing face first is more common than I thought, it would be a full face motorcycle helmet. This doesn't detract from my viewpoint that there are many things that are far more important than wearing a helmet in terms of real safety. These include (not in any particular order):
Regular inspection of your equipment to be sure that it's in good working order
Don't exceed the capacity of your bike or command of it, taking into consideration traffic and road conditions
Be constantly aware of your surroundings
Be intimately familiar with the road you're on or slow way down
Break traffic laws when it means a higher degree of safety
In other words, anyone whose only safety considerations are wearing a helmet and strict adherence to traffic laws is delusional in thinking that you are as safe as I am without a helmet. My far more important goal is total accident avoidance, not protecting one part of my body in the event of an accident. Go ahead keep riding around like a typical car driver oblivious to what's really going on. Keep listening to your Ipod, talking on the phone, riding a bike that you didn't properly inspect before you got on it, going as fast as your bike will go on a road you don't know, and if you put in enough miles you're virtually guaranteed a hospital visit or worse. I dodged you guys for over 30 years while driving a car, and 10 years commuting on a motorcycle, and I'll continue to do so on my ebike with an even higher level of alertness, because the risk is even greater since we are so unprotected and can't always match the speed of the flow.
John
docnjoj
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Sounds good, John! No argument from me!
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Looks like I didn't get a full face helmet quite fast enough. Took a nasty spill today and chipped a tooth and cut and bruised my face as well as doing other damage to my body. Just spend 5 hours at the local Kaiser ER. I actually cracked my helmet I hit the ground with my head so hard. So I am alive to type this because I had a really good helmet, but I wouldn't have to go to the dentist and give him $1000 tomorrow if I had one with a chin protector.
vanilla ice
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That sucks andy, better a tooth than your skull tho eh.
Like everyone back then, me and my friends never wore helmets as kids, one time one of my buds fell and hit his head on the curb. He was ok but he had mild damage to his brain and wasn't quite the same afterwards. He would have been 100% if he had a foamie on. My kids will always wear helmets if I can help it. Sure the foam bicycle helmets aren't perfect, but you got to play the odds, got to make some compromises. I've tried a DOT motorcycle helmet on my bicycle and it aint fun when you're pedaling. At least a normal bicycle helmet offers some light weight useable protection with the nice air flow to your scalp.
With the availability of light vented bicycle helmets with chin bars these days from the downhill market, makes sense that we should use them if the speeds are the same.
Like everyone back then, me and my friends never wore helmets as kids, one time one of my buds fell and hit his head on the curb. He was ok but he had mild damage to his brain and wasn't quite the same afterwards. He would have been 100% if he had a foamie on. My kids will always wear helmets if I can help it. Sure the foam bicycle helmets aren't perfect, but you got to play the odds, got to make some compromises. I've tried a DOT motorcycle helmet on my bicycle and it aint fun when you're pedaling. At least a normal bicycle helmet offers some light weight useable protection with the nice air flow to your scalp.
With the availability of light vented bicycle helmets with chin bars these days from the downhill market, makes sense that we should use them if the speeds are the same.
