Galileo/Newton agree-- 9/11 was an inside job!

[CroArcher]

Do not forget,your Govmt has lots of experience..

 

[nutnspecial]

I've just been completely stupified. (more than normal from many's perspective.)

I am highly cynical and analyzing imo. Absolutely the same with this clip I came across about 'back to the future'. I didn't like the guys voice, I'm honestly still not sure wth the one bible quote is doing there, and I was scared they'd be totally crazy with the outcome. I watched anyway. Unbelievable.
but wtf does it mean?

[youtube]pFM02ItYKbY[/youtube]

 

[nutnspecial]

Seriously my mind is now blown.

These are some of my fav movies, and that's just too unreal someone is pulling all this outa them. I don't even know what to say.

 

[markz]

Nutspecial - What does Back to the Future movie have to do with Sept 11 being an inside job? A little OT aka OffTopic dont ya think
Might as well start talking about The Shining references in Finding Nemo.
To swerve it back on topic, Im still thinking about the melted steel. And why the 3rd unmentionable tower fell.
When people talk about Sept 11, you never hear about the 3rd tower. This was complete news to me when I read it here.
Now I must admit, when I woke up that day, at around the crack of noon. I flicked channels, then headed over to Blockbuster Video and had to rent movies for the next week or 2, or 3. Just like the OJ episode.

 

[amberwolf]

The only show I'd know of that referenced 9/11 aired a few months before, as The Lone Gunmen stopped a plot to crash a 727 into one of the twin towers....

Excerpt of the "plot":
[youtube]G7YQrIx1bow[/youtube]

Whole episode, I think:
[youtube]EjbQ-BDh4PU[/youtube]

 

[rscamp]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2056088/Footage-kills-conspiracy-theories-Rare-footage-shows-WTC-7-consumed-fire.html

 

[marty]

OK Marty, since you've now found three examples of large steel buildings that fell straight down due to fire, now find one more such example... anywhere in the world... ever.

I have not been able to do that. Thus I have to assume some other mechanism was at work. Things that don't happen, definitely don't happen three times in the same day in the same place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampoong_Department_Store_collapse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Savar_building_collapse

 

[nutnspecial]

Rscamp: interesting article and video. That's not like any other building fire I've seen (besides the other wtc buildings.) Where's the part where it's 'consuming'?

Marty: Looks like those buildings did have partial collapses, but are those third world buildings constructed similarly to wtc, and there was no fires cited to be invovled?

Markz: Guess you'd have to watch the video. If you still don't have an answer, don't worry about it, it's just some people pulling at strings. (quite well too, imo)

Amberwolf: That's a cool clip. Quite odd how practically the whole scenario was played on tv a few months prior. Has anyone heard anything since of/from Chris Carter?

The backtofuture clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pFM02ItYKbY was news to me. Who are these people that find all this stuff in an old film?? The towers falling, 911 clock, 911 skidmark, the all seeing eye; all in a movie with a plot so easily paralleled to the 911 story. So wierd. I never noticed that before, and it tickled my wacky bone to watch. That's besides the great jfk stuff in the beginning. (consider that was 20 years prior the film, and 911 was 20 years post.) Truly odd imo A great find to blow my mind.
I still don't know what to think or how to take it!

 

[markz]

Nutspecial -

Who are these people that find all this stuff in an old film??

- Coincidence!

 

[amberwolf]

Amberwolf: That's a cool clip. Quite odd how practically the whole scenario was played on tv a few months prior.

What I find a little odd is that not many talked/talks about it. TLG series was very short lived and was really only of interest to X-Files fans, but it was still pretty fresh when 9/11 occured

Has anyone heard anything since of/from Chris Carter?

Sure--he was still doing X-Files during and after that, and has done some other stuff since then, according to IMDB, at least.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004810/


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Except for occasional things on internet streaming, I haven't watched TV much in more than 20 years, and pretty much not at all since the digital changeover, whenever that was. So I don't really know directly what's been going on. I didn't even see much of the last couple seasons of X-files (which I'd been a fan of) because work and home life at that time was pretty stressful and didn't leave me much energy or time to do much of anything outside of sleep and work, and a little beta testing of music creation software. (Not long after that, I stopped even that, and haven't even done much with music since then, except for occasional bursts, as much as I have wanted to)).
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[marty]

Yep those appear to be concrete buildings, interesting story on ignoring building codes and charges brought.
WTC7 was a steel framed highrise- looks like aluminum frame windows and fires matching what we have seen. A curious observation is of the fires on the opposite side of the building around floor 12 or so- what offices were these and what did they lose during the fire and collapse? (hint: SEC)
Where did the molten steel come from? Those fires we see could not get hot enough as the gov't and we all know.

Has anyone had a chance to picture what free-fall acceleration looks like? Imagine jumping off of a chair onto the ground. now imagine jumping straight up and crushing through the chair just as easily as if you'd jumped onto the ground. This is the difference in physics we're talking here, as if the chair didn't exist to provide any resistance- the building offered no resistance.

The 1700ft. twin towers crush themselves into dust in nearly the same time as a 30 ft. high masonry silo structure shown above collapses via gravity(10 seconds) except that the silo crumbles into bricks. If the silo behaved like the twin towers, it would have fallen in 1.75 seconds and each brick would be shattered into dust and chips.

The example after the silo is a large concrete type structure which has the bottom several floors demolished and allowsthe top of the building to fall- where it lands intact. The towers were much stronger than these buildings. Dozens of videos and photos exist to prove this point, and dozens of stell-framed highrises have caught fire to compare to- many were much longer and hotter yet no other examples are found. The laws of physics speak clearly if you take the time to listen.

eTrike,
You might be starting to understand? GRAVITY causes buildings to fall DOWN. It don't matter if fire, explosions, people dancing, earthquake, airplane crash, or gravity alone causes structural failure. The speed that a building falls down is determined by gravity. Concrete is some heavy stuff. Look here:
Construction of the World Trade Center

Question? Do you believe that it was a coincidence that 4 airplanes were hijacked and deliberately crashed on the same day that the US government blew up 3 buildings? Did the US government plan or have knowledge of the hijacking before it happened?

Remember that the plan was for 4 airplanes to crash into 2 World Trade Center buildings, The Pentagon, and the United States Capitol. The plane targeted for the Capital crashed into the woods in Pennsylvania. President Bush was not the sharpest tool in the shed. But to think that he had knowledge of hijackings or explosives in occupied buildings is beyond stupid.

Who do you suspect put explosives in the 3 occupied buildings that fell down? Timothy McVeigh? Who pushed the button to make them blow up?

Bin Laden didn't expect New York towers to fall

EDIT Sat Jul 15, 2015
I wrote:
President Bush was not the smartest tool in the shed.
Should have wrote:
President Bush was not the sharpest tool in the shed.
When God was giving out brains. I thought he said trains and I said "Give me a slow one."

 

[nutnspecial]

Etrike: You are absolutely right/ I think the best place to start for most folks is the wtc7 & the physics and 'gravity' of the whole matter. (pun intended )

Some people may start in other places, but all I can say is that with an open mind, you will have no choice but to decide things may not be as they seemed according to the corporate media and official story.

It's really very sad though. Not only to understand the loss of life and liberty on that day and since, at the hands of saudi hijackers and alot of luck, or as a well designed 'new pearl harbor' purposefully designed and executed to usher in the newest age of 'one world' trade. It's sad that there we can't agree.
To me it's not possible to prove either, but the more I have looked, it's just shocking. I happened to be reading a book lately called methodical illusion, by rebekah roth.

She was a stewardess, and got highly sleuthy when she decided to look deeper. Alot of info I was not aware of, that shows extreme insight into what possibly happened to the planes and how.

There's also some interesting info given by actual pilots, that say there's no way even an experienced pilot could do what is claimed with an airliner. (banking, speed, accuracy)

Here's a fun fact: The federal government spent 30-60million on lewinsky investigation, and 15million on 911 - the largest and most devasting (and questionable imo) 'terrorist' act to ever take place in our history
Does it make sense to do a halfass investigation, then immediately start a neverending 'war on terror' that leads to trampled rights, wars on entire nations, and the demonizing of a race of people?

 

[markz]

I remember when all planes were grounded, Mr. W. Bush flew a group of Saudis back to Arabia.
Interesting is'nt it. Makes one wonder!

 

[markz]

Yep, members of what family?

The Royal Saudi family, if I am not mistaken.
100 or more in total.

 

[Harold in CR]

I don't have links to post, so, anyone who thinks Govt is not smart enough, or, is not culpable, read this.

LINK
It's not related directly to this thread, but, is as far as Govt is involved.

 

[marty]

I figured it out! The reason you all think [9/11 was an inside job] is because of the internet and YouTube. So what did I do? I looked at YouTube!
[youtube]bMZ-nkYr46w[/youtube]

[youtube]kG4yGICFsi8[/youtube]

 

[nutnspecial]

WHAT is up with that avatar marty ???????? :lol:

 

[markz]

Thats been my belief all along marty. Your first video, watched a few minutes of it.
People will always come up with a conspiracy theory no matter what.

 

[markz]

Yes, Osama Bin Laden got millions from the US, plus his family is very rich. But he is like the black sheep of the family.

There have been much hotter and longer fires in steel-framed buildings, so we can look at them as our closest comparison. Any others collapse, even one?

You have to look at how the buildings were constructed.
The fires weakend the structure, there was lots of weight above, plus the plane flew and hit the tower(s) at an angle.

 

[Chalo]

The fires weakend the structure, there was lots of weight above, plus the plane flew and hit the tower(s) at an angle.

But they didn't fall down at an angle, did they? Like a tree would, or a pole, or a... tower?

 

[markz]

The fires weakend the structure, there was lots of weight above, plus the plane flew and hit the tower(s) at an angle.

But they didn't fall down at an angle, did they? Like a tree would, or a pole, or a... tower?

Hmmm good point Chalo, good point. What if......the middle was to collapse upon itself, bring in the outter material.

 

[Chalo]

I'd expect two or three out of the three to collapse sideways, as almost every compromised vertical structure does.

 

[rscamp]

How can a building built primarily to withstand the force of gravity crush into itself at free-fall acceleration, the maximum rate possible?

Catastrophic failure. How does a structure subject to catastrophic failure react to having mass above it fall and apply very large, sudden loads? It fails catastrophically in buckling modes with very little energy absorption. This is easily predicted and familiar to anyone in the mechanical engineering profession. The effect of the intense heat involved is also being totally underestimated by armchair investigators.

I would say this. Anything is possible, but...

Evaluate the quality and legitimacy of so-called "truths" from conspiracy theorists. Be skeptical of any website that even uses the word "truth" in their title. Be skeptical of the stated "facts". Consider other modes of failure. Seek verification from other sources. Don't just assume motives, false dichotomys or "us vs them" scenarios are at play. Some, (all?) conspiracy sites have agendas and immovable beliefs and no amount of logic or contradictory information steers them from the agenda at hand. Confirmation bias reigns supreme and there is a total unwillingness to digest, and in some cases even acknowledge, information that doesn't fit the established belief system.

In fairness, the real answer to Occam's razor is that the airplanes took the buildings down. Anything else requires extraordinary and much harder-to-implement events. The problem with this conspiracy claim and so many others is that they require sophistication, complexity and incredible secrecy from many that would need to be in-the-know. Probability is therefore very low. And history shows this is arguably beyond what humans with their extensive failings are capable of pulling off anyways.

 

[nutnspecial]

Be skeptical of the stated "facts".

I think we can all agree this is an excellent idea.

I think you've spoken well, even if you don't share my beliefs that the official story is bull.

I posted way back about conspiracy theorists, you should watch out if you think they're wrong, maybe turn that skeptical mind up a notch- because you could be one of them too, by believing the official story

That's why the term is another example of 'doublespeak.' An oxymoron. Conspiracies go on all the time; to conspire that they don't, calling others 'theorists', kinda makes you worse than the guy that thinks roger rabbit did it :lol:

And honestly, I have no clue that someone willing and with half a brain cell can't see the potential of the situation. See thru the official. And you call us tinfoil bla bla- pffhhht!

 

[Arlo1]

http://allday.com/post/4801-ex-cia-pilot-gives-sworn-testimony-that-no-planes-ever-hit-the-twin-towers/