tomjasz
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Maybe, even though I bought a motor and battery at a premium from them, I can't get a direct answer.
leelorr said:Since the throttle overrides the BBS power output much quicker than the brake cut-out circuit, Kepler came up with a circuit that can be used to apply a small amount of throttle before shifting. This small amount of throttle has the same affect as cutting power. This circuit can be used with a reed switch or micro switch on the shifter lever, or via a small push button that is pressed before shifting. I guess that it is possible that Lectric has modified the wiring of the kit to do something like that, which would not require internal software code changes.
eMax said:You can order from Bafang (and some third party suppliers) now with a separate sensor cable for the Gearsensor cutoff. It is located beneath the controller similar to the speed sensor cable. Apparently these units also are programmed for the cutoff port to perform differently to the brake cutoffs.
I have a couple of Gearsensors (one for IGH, one for Deralliur) and will be testing through the brake sensor plugs for now. Hopefully I will test with the option above by the end of the month.
eMax said:You can order from Bafang (and some third party suppliers) now with a separate sensor cable for the Gearsensor cutoff. It is located beneath the controller similar to the speed sensor cable. Apparently these units also are programmed for the cutoff port to perform differently to the brake cutoffs.
I have a couple of Gearsensors (one for IGH, one for Deralliur) and will be testing through the brake sensor plugs for now. Hopefully I will test with the option above by the end of the month.
Actually that's what I have found. Frankly, over rated. But still a nice feature. A $100 feature? For some, yes, it may be. Some like the cut off button. They, Gearsensor, are a good bunch of fellows who have worked hard to bring an idea and product to market. I think it adds value. I think a more CA3 like interface on the BBS0x would be a far more impressive upgrade. The C961, 963, and 965 are very weak on information back to the rider. Not even a decent watt meter.Supertux1 said:Is this really a necessary thing?
I have no problem with my BBS02 shifting up or down under full throttle.
Parts: SRAM PG1050 Cassette, KMC X10SL chain, SRAM X9 shifter (indexed), lotsa oil & periodic cleaning.
I use the front derailleur in a fixed position without any cable to keep the chain from falling off.
tomjasz said:Actually that's what I have found. Frankly, over rated. But still a nice feature. A $100 feature? For some, yes, it may be. Some like the cut off button. They, Gearsensor, are a good bunch of fellows who have worked hard to bring an idea and product to market. I think it adds value. I think a more CA3 like interface on the BBS0x would be a far more impressive upgrade. The C961, 963, and 965 are very weak on information back to the rider. Not even a decent watt meter.
It works without their controller. Just use a brake connector.brickwall said:I'm using a Nexus 8 speed hub with my BBS02 so for me this gear sensor would probably be a really good fit, because the IGH can absolutely not shift under load. Let alone 750W of motor power. I contacted LectricCycles about their sensor, but they told me I also needed a new controller for it to work, so it got expensive quickly.
To use the gear sensor you would need to purchase a new controller from us for $150 USD. Our controller has cabling and software to optimize for the least amount of delay when cutting the motor
Hopefully we'll see the programing one of these days. Earlier claims, I have a BBS01 from them, proved to be sales malarky. I compared their programing to EM3ev. There were no real differences. For some reason the EM3 is a mile or two per hour faster. Perhaps they found a way to program a shorter delay. I'm told by others there is no custom program from Bafang. See Cell_man thread for more chatter on the sales pitches.brickwall said:That's what I thought too. I wonder why they said this:
To use the gear sensor you would need to purchase a new controller from us for $150 USD. Our controller has cabling and software to optimize for the least amount of delay when cutting the motor
I guess their controller has a third e-brake connector and some custom programming. Since I only use one e-brake, I should be OK without it.
brickwall said:That's what I thought too. I wonder why they said this:
To use the gear sensor you would need to purchase a new controller from us for $150 USD. Our controller has cabling and software to optimize for the least amount of delay when cutting the motor
I guess their controller has a third e-brake connector and some custom programming. Since I only use one e-brake, I should be OK without it.
Ade said:brickwall said:That's what I thought too. I wonder why they said this:
To use the gear sensor you would need to purchase a new controller from us for $150 USD. Our controller has cabling and software to optimize for the least amount of delay when cutting the motor
I guess their controller has a third e-brake connector and some custom programming. Since I only use one e-brake, I should be OK without it.
There is custom firmware for these gear sensor ports that Lectric cycles have on their BBS controllers - they even have different versions for different gear systems (IGH, derailleur, etc). Use a normal brake port and you'll get a prolonged pause during gear shifts - perhaps not a big deal for some but I find it annoying.
brickwall said:Ade said:There is custom firmware for these gear sensor ports that Lectric cycles have on their BBS controllers - they even have different versions for different gear systems (IGH, derailleur, etc). Use a normal brake port and you'll get a prolonged pause during gear shifts - perhaps not a big deal for some but I find it annoying.
Yeah, that's the claim and it might very well be the case. But I find the PAS on BBS02 to be really awkward and laggy anyway, so I'm not sure the delay would bother me. I use the throttle for when I need precision. (Then again you could flip that argument and say that since the PAS is so awkward, you wouldn't wanna make it more so. )
tomjasz said:Given the other exagerations in their sales pitches, I need to see some proof of different firmware before I could make that announcement. Lectric is the distributor for GS and Lectric is known for wild markups. Like the Dolphin battery base for $75 plus shipping. A $15 cost from EM3ev. That said, Gearsensor direct was the same price. Hopefully someone will finally post the Lectric program screens and we can see what's up.