GNG, 1000W 48V BB-drive, $400

christerljung said:
ok. I really like the the look of your homebrewed motor :mrgreen: Not sure about epoxy when it heats up at 7000w. There is JBweld that is better suited for motoparts, but will see.
How did you like it at 7k 8)

I'm a big fan of JB Weld too. :D
 
Was riding down a hill yesterday and the motor started being stuck on. Flicked the kill switch so I could come to a stop. However when I switched it back on the motor would not respond. Anyone have any ideas what's wrong? My guess was a broken throttle.
 
cai876 said:
Was riding down a hill yesterday and the motor started being stuck on. Flicked the kill switch so I could come to a stop. However when I switched it back on the motor would not respond. Anyone have any ideas what's wrong? My guess was a broken throttle.

Sounds like the throttle. Are you using the stock HAL throttle it came with or did you mod it to use the Magura type of throttle?
 
I think its an original, I bought my gng kit second hand. Its a plastic one! What's the best type of throttle?
 
cai876 said:
I think its an original, I bought my gng kit second hand. Its a plastic one! What's the best type of throttle?


Best is really a question of personal preference and comfort. Many people have changed out that plastic stock throttle for a Magura throttle. It is not a HAL Throttle like the stock one, so a small manual mod needs to be done to get it to work.

I did it on my gng bike and personally I prefer much more the Magura. The mod you apply to it removes all the dead space in the throttle that you get with the stock one.

See the url below.

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=46891#p686535
 
wishes;your wright about personal preference I like the dead space :D
 
gknowes said:
wishes;your wright about personal preference I like the dead space :D

I got the curved hard plastic one with my stock kit. I didn't mind it so much at the stock 1000 watts, you get used to the dead space. The only one reproach i had with it is that on really long rides, my hand would be sore from holding it. So for me personally, it wasn't the most comfortable. But you end up with a much shorter working travel distance on the throttle, and at 3000 watts, it makes the throttle and bike extremely twitchy. It is much more manageable and comfortable since I put on the magura throttle.

Wishes
 
Get the matching grip for the other side if you get a Magura.
Some vendors bundle this, but I think it's worthwhile to have controls feel the same.

I like mine a lot. Has performed flawlessly so far after the mod posted (thread linked to above) by denisewa.
 
bee said:
where did you get your magura throttle?


This is where I bought it
holmeshobbies.com/Magura-Twistgrip-5k-throttle.html


Wishes
 
Update 2: The second Goodyear belt lasted a lot more than 50 miles and has not yet failed. I misdiagnosed the skipping which was actually happening in the rear wheel sprockets. http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=42785&start=2550#p801138

Update: The Goodyear belt shredded overnight with 40 amps and I limped along with it for a few miles the next day. I had spare belts so I wasn't too concerned. I tuned down to 30 amps and the next Goodyear belt only lasted 50 miles while I was trying to be relatively gentle. I even used the CA3 throttle ramping to soften the torque spikes. Anyway, I'm no longer a fan of the belt. The em3ev A123 battery, lyen 12FET controller and GNG motor has so much potential, but the 15mm belt will not abide. Counter-intuitively, tightening the belt after stretching seems to reduce the lifespan.

The new primary chain drive GNG is looking pretty awesome at this point. I am also interested in seeing LightningRod's belt upgrade.

Hey LightningRod, do you need a beta tester. :mrgreen:
 
kifukarider said:
The new primary chain drive GNG is looking pretty awesome at this point. I am also interested in seeing LightningRod's belt upgrade.

Hey LightningRod, do you need a beta tester. :mrgreen:

You're all my beta testers. Didn't you know that? :D

I have the 18 tooth 20mm wide GT2 drivers ready to ship but you can't get the full benefit out of them until I have the 20mm wide driven pulley ready. I need my machine shop for that part and I'm putting that together right now. This month both the upgraded primary belt and 219 secondary chain will be available.
 
Even though I started this thread, I still don't have a GNG (yet). Here's my take on belt/chain primary on the Gen-1 from reading dozens of GNG builders reports.

The belt is quieter than the chain. If you don't mind a little chain noise, just start out with a chain primary and make some kind of a cover for it, to keep out dirt and make it as quiet as it can be. If you want the performance of 60V/72V, and going to 35A/40A/45A...just plan on starting out with the chain, whether it's a DIY #25 or the upgraded LightningRods #219 kit (available soon).

If you want the quietness of the belt, the engineering data suggests that a GT2 belt that is 20mm wide and has a minimum of 18T should work great and last a long time. I think there is a very big market for a 48V system that is fairly quiet. I suspect the #219 primary will be quieter than the a #25, due to thin #25 sprockets "ringing". I also suspect that once a proper safety/dirt cover is developed, the noise level from the primary drive (whether #25/#219/GT2 belt) will be improved a surprising amount.

If you have a stock kit, and you want it to continue to run until the upgraded components are available: hand sand the sharpness off of the stock belt driver teeth, buy a Goodyear belt as the next replacement, adjust the phase amps (full power at top speed, but no wheelies from a stop), and limit the max amps (I know, hard to do when there is so much fun available on tap at the flick of a wrist).

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Concerning the holding power of the "soon to arrive" GT2 belt-primary. the stock 14T has five teeth fully engaged at any given time (if you remove the excessive-wrap idler that consumes 100W), and they are 15mm wide.

The 18T driver should have SEVEN teeth fully engaged. Two more teeth out of five is a 40% increase in holding power. Now, take that resulting 'torque holding' limit, and multiply it by another 30% increase in belt/pulley width (5mm wider than 15mm). 100% of stock belt power X 1.40 = 140% of stock, X 1.30 = 180% stronger than the stock set-up.

By going to an 18T driver, the diameter of the pulley is large enough we can use a larger belt-tooth, like the 8mm pitch instead of the 5mm. The Gates belt data PDF states "...[GT2-8mm has]◾Twice the HP capacity as HTD®...", sooo...take 180% and double it = 360% better torque capacity than the stock GNG.
 
They also got it at:
http://www.electricscooterparts.com/throttles5kohm.html
An handlebar grip for the left hand is included. Gives the bike a pro look. 8)[/quote]


Agreed, the matching grip on the other side makes a big difference with comfort, but also looks much better :)
 
The one from holmes comes with both grips as well, when checking out put in the code box

" shipping"

If its still a good code they will ship it for free.
 
A new topspeed test is done and im still alive.
Controller phasecurrent limit 60A. 24S 100v turnigy 5a 25C lipos. bike: Kona stinky. chain converted primary 12/72. Stock GNG freewheels and BB. Bigger 50tooth drivesprocket.
At 6000W the top speed was 80 kph / 50 mph
Gonna try 70A tomorrow, and also get a graph from the GPS.
Accellaration is so funny at 6kw. Reminds about a twostroke mx.
 
NIce! I hope you were you trying that on the Kona with the broken fork :D How was the motor temp at those power levels?
What Is really amazing is that you have a torque monster and a high speed bike at the same time, and the motor+batteries is about the wheigth of one of the big hubs weelsets :lol:
 
christerljung said:
bzhwindtalker said:
NIce! I hope you were you trying that on the Kona with the broken fork :D How was the motor temp at those power levels?
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: I got a new fork. Motor was just a Little warm like 40c. Only did two short rides, (didnt want to melt my phasewires).

Phasewires are stock? Planning to upgrade? On your next ride, check/touch phasewires too, motor could be warm but maybe phasewires are already hot (warmer that a motor)?
 
If our beloved GNG can handle over 100 volts and 40 amps, almost stock, what can this baby handle??

http://www.gngebike.com/60v650w-brushless

I've ordered one for my second build. I think i'm going to use the frame from an old Strong GT-S210.

Wishes
 
The topspeedtest was not possible to continue on my Kona bike because the chainguide is not reliable at 7kw. Gonna replace it.
Anyway here's a little wheelie-movie. Gives a good picture of the sound from the GNG on 100v and single chainreduction. (the final chain is also a reduction since there are no pedals)
[youtube]QsOJEShqjIw[/youtube]
 
Nice video, the Controller seems to respond perfekt if you are able to do that kind of wheelies :)

LightningRods said:
I have the 18 tooth 20mm wide GT2 drivers ready to ship but you can't get the full benefit out of them until I have the 20mm wide driven pulley ready. I need my machine shop for that part and I'm putting that together right now. This month both the upgraded primary belt and 219 secondary chain will be available.

1. Is the crank-rpm right for pedaling at 48V with your belt mod and the 219 secondary chain?
2. The 20mm wide driven pulley in the first stage has a freewheel or could be used with a freewheel, so you don't need a freewheel in the secondary stage, right?

What lyen controller should I go for, if I want to use 48V with 40-60a?
Is the 9fet ok or do I need to go to 12fet?
 
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