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[philf]

I’m wondering if you may be off-base, there, Reid.

I don’t think there is cause for ANYONE to get angry. And if what *I’ve* been writing sounds like an attack, then please take a step back. I opened up in this forum expressing an honest wish to see GM do well. What I *think* we’re trying to do is to help Yao understand the market, here, and what is expected to service that market. The subtleties expressed thus far are a big part of getting it right (or illustrations of what will ensure failure), and the language/culture issue does figure prominently. There are faux pas’ being committed on BOTH sides of the ocean in this thread as a result.

If anyone might have highlighted something in this thread that might warrant some degree of ire, here, it could be me. After paying $60 to ship an $83 motor to Canada only to find it’s useless to me, and then being told by one of the GM executives that, “he can’t help me because he doesn’t have a dealer in the U.S.”, I *should* have an issue. But you don’t see me raising it – I’ve taken that in stride, and am instead using the experience (and the motor) for purposes which I hope are constructive and worth sharing.

It’s not my intention to take shots at Yao personally, here. He had expressed a desire to receive some honest input/feedback when he joined ES, and he’s getting it.

 

[nicobie]

... and he’s getting it.

My sentiments exactly. Whether he acts on it or not is another thing.

Nick

 

[GoldenMotor]

Hey guys, i'm not angry... ... ...
Ok maybe you are right about the finish, however it costs 5000USD to make a mold, another 5000USD if you screw up the first one, and the finish isn't cheap. That's why we have no other option. Anyway, I disagree with the argument on the "pie", I think that Pie stands out from the typical "550", "750" or something like "Ferrari 599". We didn't think numbers would suit our motors well. Imagine a motor named "GoldenMotor 9000"... ... get the idea? And the word magic came from the fact that everyone looks at it and say "oh... heat problems". but... you shall soon see why it's magic. If you guys love the name of the motor, or hate it to the extreme ends, then the name has served it's purpose in leaving a deep good/bad impression in your heads.


FYI: Now I sort of understand why Philip doesn't come out onto the forums. Plenty of haters, pure plain haters. You should look at some of the complaints and the language that customers use. Also, you should have seen Danny Ray's attitude when he met me at the expo. Jesus, and I thought this would be easy.

 

[Russell]

"Magic Pie" is an AWFUL name though it wouldn't stop me from buying the motor if it had some kind of advantage over the competition. I would however NOT buy the motor if it had that ridiculous paint job

-R

 

[Zoot Katz]

You knew there would be hurdles considering Golden Motor's track record. Abusive email from dissatisfied customers is an indication of their frustration when trying to obtain resolution or restitution after receiving faulty goods.

Whether or not you're able to make GM a company renown for its reliable products and great support is not my personal concern. No animosity.
I sincerely hope that you make an honest effort and are rewarded with success. That's all.

 

[ToughRowToHoe]

Yao, they are giving you good advice on that name for much of the English speaking world. It does not translate well. A number would be better than "pie". "Magic" is less bad but still not good.

Russell, paint remover is your friend.

 

[Zoot Katz]

I freely associate "pie" with "baking". Baking is bad for motors.
A more descriptive appelation might be "Mystery Metal Pie".

 

[GoldenMotor]

A more descriptive appelation might be "Mystery Metal Pie".

Haha, that's a good one. Okay guys, this is what's gonna happen. You guys decide a name for this Magic Pie, the best name you guys agree one will become the name after launching it. Good luck! I hope you guys feel involved with us now!

 

[Anonymous]

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[GoldenMotor]

Golden Pie??? Golden Saucer? Golden Spinster? Golden 911? Golden Murcielago??? Golden Motoroller? Golden Motorola?

 

[Anonymous]

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[Lock]

Great thread...

Just to say for folks that are consumed w/who makes what... GoldenMotors in the Dragon City is less than 200 miles down the road from Yongkang (aka Yongkong) next door in Zhejiang. I'll suggest that GM et all operate the same way as the folks in Yongkang. Last time I looked YK had a pop.of only 1/2 mill but over 300 companies all selling gas and electric 2-3 wheelers. Many of these companies started out making pots and pans and wire brushes etc. Today with the growth in sales of little EVs I believe many more China companies now specialize only in EVs but anyway. The point is only that like most mfgrs any one mfgr doesn't make all their own components. In Yongkang there are several companies that sell EVs but themselves only mfgr carbon brushes. Some assemble EVs but themselves just stamp out kick stands all day... or handle grips. etc. etc. Then they buy/sell amongst themselves to assemble complete components and vehicles. So it should not surprise that various components look similar and identical. They are! The trick is just sorting out which of the assemblers (like GM?) that are willing to go the extra little distance and limit themselves to the mfgrs that are more responsible w/their quality control.
Tks
Lok

 

[philf]

I personally think that the integrated controller, being a comparatively unique feature, is important to convey in some way. The prefix "Uni" could be incorporated. Hell, you could even just call it the "Uni". Or, and unlikely to be confused with Acura, you could even steer toward Latin and call it "Integra" or "Integrum".

You get the idea - something that conjures up an image other than "Boston Cream that flies into the faces of its victims on its own"...

Then they buy/sell amongst themselves to assemble complete components and vehicles.

This was what my original perception of GM was. After comparing notes with Justin (who has seen the insides of more of the original units than I'm certainly ever likely to), the assumption was that the stator was made elsewhere, but GM manufacture/assemble the distinguishing bits (like side covers) into a complete unit. This was just a guess based on the kinds of differences Justin saw that couldn't be explained by normal "engineering changes" by one manufacturer. The side covers, BTW, would appear to be hand finished. Of the three 500W/36V units I have, the freewheel collars are all subtly different. I tossed the supplied freewheels and replaced them with Shimanos. The latter actually bound on the shoulder of only ONE of the three units, confirming possible hand finishing. Or a production line with several machines that aren't set up exactly the same.

 

[mclovin]

Personally I would just strip off the corny paint job and paint it to suit my tastes. I did that with my WE hub motor and it came out great and fun to do. People often comment on how my ebike looks. But I do understand how someone else would be put off by lousy paint.

Yuan: I would have to say the funny spiral paint job is a distraction for a potential buyer. In short, good looks matter. A solid, simple paint job would be better for a North American market.

 

[michaelplogue]

I'm from Wyoming, and anytime someone uses the word 'pie' when it's not preceded with 'apple', 'cherry', or some other fruit/food - then I immediately think of cow-pie............ in other words........ Sh!t.

Not something one would want to have associated with their product........ :lol:

 

[Anonymous]

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[TPA]

When It comes to product names, I prefer numbering to identify which model. Take Crystalyte (sp??) for example, some sell them by numbering (5303) and some by name (Brute, Roadrunner, Racer...), its easier to identify what you are looking at with the numbering instead of a name.

If it has a dedicated integrated controller, you could name it according to its power rating, voltage, or amps, or some combination of those, so that you would wind up with something like

MP3620 for Magic Pie 36V 20A.....or MP720 for 720W

You could include windings into the number scheme, such as MP3620W9

Or some such thing.

 

[Lock]

Absolutely concur about numbering versus name labels, plus steath as an advantage in some markets where some vehicles are ...uhhh... not legal YET.

So pls. ditch the fancy colour/pattern schemes!

OTOH, there is some China product you could leave unattended anywhere with little fear of it being taken

 

[dogman dan]

A good name is a great was to help sell a product. The problem is, when it goes to another country the name may suck. My favorite example is the Chevrolet Nova car. A nova in america is an exploding star, a good name for an immensly popular american muscle car. But in Mexico, you couldn't give one away. In spanish, No Va means doesn't go. The Ford Mustang sold like crazy in mexico. Mustang is a spanish word for a wild horse. Wild horse vs doesnt go was a no brainer for mexicans.

Anyway, think of a good name that means , in english, something to do with being green, or saving the planet. Everything is being marketed as green now, so green lightning, or firefly motor. Some of the best names of course, are already in use, like greenwheels, or ecomotors. We still love to buy stuff named after wild animals, so maybe something like badger, or eager beaver, or little mule. I don't know, anything but pie. magic is ok, but the pie makes no sense at all to us unless you are really a fan of the movie Black Beauty.

 

[GoldenMotor]

I thought names were supposed to make no sense? How does a Murcielago (Bat) associate with a 600 horse power Lamborghini?

 

[dogman dan]

Runs like a bat out of hell, is an american phrase for something fast. A name that makes no sense is fine, it's just when the name makes a different sense in another market that there is a problem, like the no va. Some of the best names in marketing history have no meaning at all, but sound cool, like xerox. Even just acronmys can work good like IBM or GMC. How about calling your stuff Go Mo with model number? Sounds like goes more in english. Sorta the opposite of NO VA.

 

[kriskros]

a suggestive name eg GM Hummer...... add meaningfull numbers fordifferent models..tag in on GM....well known symbol,,,, hummer for example is soft name that brings a pleasnt thought to mind ...a good feeling and a strong action..... humming along

 

[philf]

Then again, a "hummer" can be something else entirely... :wink:

a suggestive name eg GM Hummer...

"Suggestive"?

Yes.

Yes, it is.

 

[kriskros]

a little more 'creative thought' re name.... symbolic names that creat instant familiar mental picture can be very strong.... for a series of models..... beaver-hard working ,reliable......cheetah-speed ,beauty...... tiger-power,excitement.... each of these names has its own relation and values...a. tiger does lessen the importance of a beaver...... THE GOLDEN M BEAVER there are .of course .many different symbolic combinations

 

[biohazardman]

Golden Pie??? Golden Saucer? Golden Spinster? Golden 911? Golden Murcielago??? Golden Motoroller? Golden Motorola?

Just plain GM with a number for the voltage 24,36,48, wattage 250,400,500,1000 ect and a letter or two at the end, DD for Direct Drive, G for geared, CO for controller or INT for integrated might work to designate the, voltage, wattage, as well as type of motor and might be less confusing to all. Sorry but like most others I equate magic with cheap junk that does not last and pie as something to eat or a chart printed on paper.
FYI my GM 36V 500W DD motor has 2K miles on it and I am very pleased with the unit. I tossed the single wall rim before I even laced the motor. Running the motor on 48V gives me the ability to climb most of the hills in my area without my having to help.
My avatar is the motor I speak of it looks nice too. Although I have no idea what the Chinese? writing says.