Headway batteries advice

- I confirmed with them Doc, they include 24 not 12. Pic is just a generic pic.

- of course there is. The owner is an electric engineer from what I understand. He said they took the 35A BMS, beefed up all the traces, shunts and wiring to allow for 50A continuous for my application. It took a little while for them to do this for me but its worth the wait for my application.

- sorry, I typed this wrong. Yes the charger is 88.8V to allow for 3.7V/cell balancing. That was my bad typing that. It doesn't really matter, it's a backup charger as Cellman sent me his 5A 88.8V which is BEEFY! :)

Can't wait. I've already rewired my phase lines on my motor, and am adding lots of switches and accessories to my bike. 3 speed control, regen adjustment, governor switch, etc. I'll be posting pics in my build thread as its my first ebike setup for me.

I purchased the cables so I can use software to program Paul's controller. My first try will be aimed for 45A (3C) cont as I live on an island with a ton of steep small hills. I'll keep you updated Doc on how it all works out. IMHO you made the right choice going headway. I was going to go lipo, but ive been using lipo packs for the past 6 years as I'm big into rc planes as my main hobby, and they just dont last if not taken extremely good care of with atorage charging, balancing a lot, and never draining too low. Even then, many of our hobbyking packs still puff (even nano's) in under 50 cycles. My Gens Ace and all my friends Hyperion packs are the best lipo packs we can find on the market so thats all i run now. Just too $$$ for an ebike application. Ive been running a123 cells in all my giant scale planes for years and love them! With lipo, i wanted an ebike that i can just plug in and not storage charge all the time, or have to spend lots of time balancing and maintaining as I spend way more than enough of my time doing that with my ~50 lipos for RC and 5 chargers. Plus, LiPos don't seem to do much more than 300-400 cycles typically, which I would blast through on a daily commuter so I'd have to buy new LiPos every year or two. Mine setup is an electric scooter (moped) so extra weight is no issue. Way lighter than sla!!!! Plus the 24s setup fits perfectly in my e-scooter battery compartment.

All the vendors couldn't deliver on a123 pouch cells (and I was slow researching) and now April said all she can get me are Korean A123 cells which I don't want. A person could buy used short tabs, or grey market long tabs, but I personally would never do that. I almost bought my a123 setup from Paul, but for what I wanted t would have been over $1500 which was just too expensive for me. No doubt excellent though! A123 stuff is getting harder and harder to find genuine now, so going the headway route is a great long term solution with reliable long life cheap cells. I don't need more than 2.5-3C for my application so these 40152 cells will be perfect in 24s. Currently planning to fan cool the entire pack just for fun. :)

Travis
 
yes, 88.8V, adding shunts will allow the output current to increase. i plan to do that to some 15A BMSs i bot. double the number of shunt resistors to double the current:

http://www.bestekpower.com/48v15spcmbmspcbforlifepo4batterypack/PCB-D126.html
 
eganwp said:
I'm just waiting arrival of my 72V 15Ah headway cells, BMS, charger, wiring and all plastic holders and bridges as one huge kit from battery-matrix.com. They custom built me a 50A BMS for free for it. :) can't wait to get this wired up on my new Cellman 14FET and cellman 5A 86.8V charger. :) bike is gonna haul!

Hey Travis glad to hear you went with Headway cells and hope that you are pleased with them!



Per the OP's title "Headway batteries advice": Additional advice-just be aware, battery-matrix.com is no way a part of Headway Headquarters, LLC, as indicated in their description and the various pictures they have on their site.

Other Headway battery advice:

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=49240
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=44912
 
It was a little confusing. The bms was free and thge charger was oder from cellman and a 14 fet should be a controller I guess but set at what amps. Triing to guess my way thru the message.
 
999zip999 said:
It was a little confusing. The bms was free and thge charger was oder from cellman and a 14 fet should be a controller I guess but set at what amps. Triing to guess my way thru the message.

From battery matrix:

- free 35A BMS. Had them mod it to 50A
- free 3A 88.7V charger. I already had bought an 88.8V 5A charger from Cellman (Paul), so this free 3A is a backup so I can have one at work too for last minute long trips.
- I also had already bought a 14 FET controller with all accessories & already modded from Cellman (Paul). 45A cont I will be programming it to.

Reason I wanted a modified 50A BMS is so that it doesn't blow or cause any bottleneck issues in my setup.

Travis
 
I cancelled my 14 cell order from Headway HQ since y'all convinced me of getting 16 cells and a BMS, looking over at our chinese source the 16 x 16Ah DIY kit is only $540 while the 15Ah kit runs for $570. Now cheaper is better, but it leaves a strange feeling whether those 16Ah cells are real old, they don't even offer them over at HQ .. any gut feelings on this one?


Also a cellman 14.xAh NCM pack is $570 shipped, so equal in price to the Headway packs, but the problem here is only 500 cycles lifetime, I assume the headways have much higher cycle counts? Or why pick 'em instead?

Thanks!
 
hillyterrain said:
I cancelled my 14 cell order from Headway HQ since y'all convinced me of getting 16 cells and a BMS, looking over at our chinese source the 16 x 16Ah DIY kit is only $540 while the 15Ah kit runs for $570. Now cheaper is better, but it leaves a strange feeling whether those 16Ah cells are real old, they don't even offer them over at HQ .. any gut feelings on this one?


Also a cellman 14.xAh NCM pack is $570 shipped, so equal in price to the Headway packs, but the problem here is only 500 cycles lifetime, I assume the headways have much higher cycle counts? Or why pick 'em instead?

Thanks!

I started a small business here in Canada selling A123 and Headway cells. A couple of years ago I purchased the 16ah cells. In a 4s configuration they can start
a 6v Toyota pickup :) Last fall I wanted to order more and the only stock available were the 15ah as these were a popular size for the DIYers
(that's what China was telling me). I'm not sure if they have run a production of 16ah lately.

Tommy L sends......
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I am currently load testing my 32120 headway cells, which are all proving healthy. However E O C is dreadfully slow. The charger maintains 10 amps, then holds at 3.65 volts and shuts down when the amp draw goes to 100 ma.

The data sheet I have on the batteries, states that the above mentioned is the way to charge. I know many people charge to higher voltages.

So in order to speed up the charge, the thought is to raise C V and end the the charge at a higher amp draw.

What do you guys think

Thank in advance

Pete
 
I am single cell charging one by one with a dell p s u modified with comparator chips to maintain C C, C V. and E O C
I have been watching volts like hawk, everything is working fine.

Yes I know I need a B M S or a good balance charger, been window shopping :oops:

Just want to know if I can speed up C V to E O C by increasing the volts at C V and amps at E O C. without harm to the batteries

Thanks Pete
 
you can buy a BMS to do all that. don't understand why you have to go to such lengths just to charge a pack.

these are the guys that agnius found who build BMSs for the chinese battery makers.

http://www.bestekpower.com/pcmbmspcbforlifepo4batterypacks/
 
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