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shock
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Im under the impression if the hall and phase wires are not wired in the same arrangement (even if it not color to color) its probably a factory defect where a hall is in the wrong phase, or a wire is solidered to the wrong phase.
moonshine
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What do you guys think about using the KBL controllers? im running 24s4p (99.9v HOC) so i ned the 24-96V kellys. My question to the peeps using kellys, is how are you connecting the throttle and 3 speed switch? My issue is the compatibility from lyen controllers to kellys. Is the hook up pretty straightforward?
This one is rated for 200a max for 1minute and 80a continuous, and as i understand is the PHASE current. Right?? if so...80a phase is frickin weak considering the fact that i used 125a on the 18fet. i know the 80a is continuous and i suppose you can safely do 125-150 continuous, but i would feel safer with the second one...250a max/100a cont.
http://kellycontroller.com/kbl9620124-96v200abldc-controllerwith-regen-p-1122.html
http://kellycontroller.com/kbl9625124-96v250abldc-controllerwith-regen-p-1123.html
what do you guys think???
oh yea, with my 18 4110, i had the color match up on both halls and phases.
This one is rated for 200a max for 1minute and 80a continuous, and as i understand is the PHASE current. Right?? if so...80a phase is frickin weak considering the fact that i used 125a on the 18fet. i know the 80a is continuous and i suppose you can safely do 125-150 continuous, but i would feel safer with the second one...250a max/100a cont.
http://kellycontroller.com/kbl9620124-96v200abldc-controllerwith-regen-p-1122.html
http://kellycontroller.com/kbl9625124-96v250abldc-controllerwith-regen-p-1123.html
what do you guys think???
oh yea, with my 18 4110, i had the color match up on both halls and phases.
hillzofvalp
100 kW
If you can cool it, get the smaller one... I am putting a cromotor on my 160lb motorcycle and thinking of kbl.. Probably the one that is $450 ... The 200/100A rated 96V version.. There aren't a lot of times when you will do 200A for more than 10-30 seconds. I wonder if 200A is a true limit or just a median for an upper range say 150-250A.
If my logic is correct, you should go for the smaller one for an ebike.
And by the way, from the way you worded it you may think that the controller limits to 80A at times. However, just to clarify, it only has one upper limit... And it is up to the user to save the controller. In other words, the smaller kbl will have more pep than the 18FET at 125A. The best way to determine what it is capable of is what and how many FETs it has... Assuming the thermal transfer is optimum
You probably are running 60-80A continuos on your 18FET with capability to do 100A for one minute (if you load up qthe motor at 125A for 30 seconds it will probably end badly). Again, it's hard to visualize the rating without modeling it
If my logic is correct, you should go for the smaller one for an ebike.
And by the way, from the way you worded it you may think that the controller limits to 80A at times. However, just to clarify, it only has one upper limit... And it is up to the user to save the controller. In other words, the smaller kbl will have more pep than the 18FET at 125A. The best way to determine what it is capable of is what and how many FETs it has... Assuming the thermal transfer is optimum
You probably are running 60-80A continuos on your 18FET with capability to do 100A for one minute (if you load up qthe motor at 125A for 30 seconds it will probably end badly). Again, it's hard to visualize the rating without modeling it
moonshine
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I guess my confusion lies within the current ratings. I believe I read that Lyen controllers are rated by the battery current. So an 18 4110 is capable of 65a cont. So my controller settings are 50a main and 125a phase. Does the motor see 125a??? If so, I read that Kelly's current ratings are from the phases not battery. So the $450 Kelly does 80a phase, which is a significant difference from 125a. Am I right??
Also...if the compatibility issue with my components is too much of headache then I'm 100% goin with methods' 24fet. As long as he gets back to me!!
Oh and I think my dh comp is beefier then the mopedish frame your looking at. My bike ended up turning into a dirt bike with pedals. It's at least 150lb.
Also...if the compatibility issue with my components is too much of headache then I'm 100% goin with methods' 24fet. As long as he gets back to me!!
Oh and I think my dh comp is beefier then the mopedish frame your looking at. My bike ended up turning into a dirt bike with pedals. It's at least 150lb.
hillzofvalp
100 kW
the motor only loads to require peak current during certain parts of the efficiency curve. For example, you might see a higher frequency of 125A peaks under 10mph than between 10-20mph, etc. The 80A rating depicts the average load it can take continuously. So in theory 200A for 15 seconds followed by 45 seconds of 40A average use would give you an average output of 80A over the 1 minute timeframe.
It really all comes down to duty cycles and temperature monitoring. As the controller becomes hot, the extra resistance causes a vicious cycle and the onset of more heat until the FETs start to pop
So say if your upper limit rating is 150A for 1 minute.. if the FET legs are beefy enough you might be able to do 300A burst for 30 seconds, rest for 30 seconds, then do it again for another 30 seconds...
BTW the moto I'm working on is actually classified as a motorcycle! it says motorcycle on the Honda serial plate and originally had a 5 speed transmission and room for two. It is more of a japanese styled bike and was only brought to US for one year.
It really all comes down to duty cycles and temperature monitoring. As the controller becomes hot, the extra resistance causes a vicious cycle and the onset of more heat until the FETs start to pop
So say if your upper limit rating is 150A for 1 minute.. if the FET legs are beefy enough you might be able to do 300A burst for 30 seconds, rest for 30 seconds, then do it again for another 30 seconds...
BTW the moto I'm working on is actually classified as a motorcycle! it says motorcycle on the Honda serial plate and originally had a 5 speed transmission and room for two. It is more of a japanese styled bike and was only brought to US for one year.
moonshine
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hmm....well, i don't want to push the kbl. As in, the model i get should be able to run my max setting safely (just to be conservative). So i think i'm gonna end up getting the kbl96251 (max 250a, 100a cont.) Its 549...and im gonna get it waterproofed. BUT! before i jump in, i'm still waiting to hear back from methods about his badass 24fet monster. which one do you think i should get??? i don't think i'll ever blow the 24fet, but if i do....it'll be expensive for repairs....kelly on the other hand is pretty good with repairs since its warrantied i believe. I think i read somewhere that the infineon controllers are great for <100v/200a settings, while kelly does better with higher currents. But the KBL is meant for those exact settings (100v/200a). But aside from that....in a straight up comparison, what do you think??? 24fet vs kelly kbl?
hillzofvalp
100 kW
If you got the money, get the bigger one. I haven't decided on methods controller yet.. BUt I like the form factor. It all depends on preferences... and direct cycle analyst plug and play.. voiding warranties.. etc. I'm sure methods will have a bit of a warranty as well within reason.. especially if you tell him what your plans are for it. iMHO you don't need the bigger controller.. but get it if you want to be future proof.. and btw the cromotor hits saturation I believe around 240A.. can't remember for sure.. so tune it down if you are really doing a lot of launches
moonshine
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hmm....well i was set on methods controller, but he hasn't gotten back to me. As for the form factor, they look pretty much the same in size. Fany was nice enough to customize my j2 cable so that it has all the plug ins for my halls, throttle, and CA. So there's that... As for future proof...i guess thats one way of looking at it. I'm just hoping performance wise, the kbl96251 will be at least at the level of methods' 24fet if not better. I'm also concerned with heat. I really hope the kbl will barely get warm when i put it through 100a continuous.
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