Hyena's e-bike builds (now with HD video)

[Hyena]

Oh, and here's a clip of a motorcycle rider I bumped into the other day. He did a double take with my ebike, nearly running into a car while turning around for a long look at what I was riding :lol:

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[Rix]

That was funny, at first, it looks like he was purposely trying to stay ahead of you. Then when you caught him, he was impressed. Yep, and you don't have to register or insure your bike either.

Rick

 

[pendragon8000]

Nice video Jay.
I've had a few similar compliments from mc riders.
Funnyest thing to date is the motorcycle rider going past at 65-70 in 60kph zone hanging his legs off the bike "air pedaling" .I laughed pretty hard.

Re the crown, what's the deal with thespoke flange? And please be sure to post pics of its guts if you crack it open.
Cheers

 

[Rix]

Jay, what do you have planned for the Crown? Is it a TC65 thats going on your Fighter?

Rick

 

[Samd]

Don't mention putting flutes in your 'Ass.
Someone will think you're at bandcamp.

 

[Rix]

Don't mention putting flutes in your 'Ass.
Someone will think you're at bandcamp.

This one time, at band camp.............

 

[Hyena]

Re the crown, what's the deal with thespoke flange? And please be sure to post pics of its guts if you crack it open

Yeah the spoke flange is a bit weird, the spokes actually go in from the top. Not sure how well they'll stand up, time will tell I guess.
What makes you think I'd crack it open ?

Jay, what do you have planned for the Crown? Is it a TC65 thats going on your Fighter?

You know I'm so indecisive so I got a 65 and an 80
I'm tempted to go with the 65 and up the voltage to 24S but I'm not sure I could maximise the internal storage space. Maybe half way between the 2 with ~16ah at 20S with cheap zippy 8ah bricks (as I believe kepler is running)
I really do like the extra top end I got from the H4080 so I think with the more torquey and heat resistant crown it'll be a winner for all round performance. That said I have a new high powered street concept in the works that would be better suited to the TC80 for short range (10ah), high speed tearing around. I'd call it a street fighter but considering that name is already taken maybe something like an urban brawler would be a better name

If I get time hopefully the fighter will get a complete overhaul over the xmas break too - ground up rebuild with the exception of the forks, shock and brakes.

This one time, at band camp.............

Hey we rode through band camp, remember ?

 

[Rix]

Hey we rode through band camp, remember ?

Yah that's right, we did the shake down ride on your Neutron kit there. Got to go back and rewatch the vids.

definitely interested in what your number and findings are with the TC65 and 80. The appealing part is there weight. Compared to my 5403, 5404, and 5405, lots lighter.

Rick

 

[Hyena]

I'm starting to think this whole motorcycle thing might be a step backwards.
I only just got around to registering my madass yesterday and rode it to work this morning. Even taking some liberties around stationary traffic where space allowed it still took me 10 minutes longer than even my "slow" commuter ebike, and then I had to try and find somewhere to park which is a chore around my work where it's largely 2hr zones.
The madass is a heap of fun though and I've not taken it out once where I haven't had multiple people in traffic looking at pointing at it or people asking me WTF it is when I stop to park I should set up the gopro pointing sideways to catch the inquisitive looks on peoples faces. People love checking out my 'ass

My trip to the RTA yesterday to register it was interesting when the old lady at the counter asked for the make and model.
"now what's the make?"
"Sachs. S.A.C.H.S"
"hmm, never heard of them before. What's the model"
"ahh, madass"
"excuse me??"
"madass. that's what it's called"
"that's what the manufacturers named it ??"
"yep"
"good heavens..."

:lol:

 

[remf]

LOL...and how do we pronounce it...madass or madarse?

 

[Rix]

I'm starting to think this whole motorcycle thing might be a step backwards.

Jay, I was wondering if you were going to come to this conclusion. The whole reason I got into ebikes and sold my gassers, which you knew about my 2 KTMS and Beta, but I also sold my Vstrom, was for the reasons you cited, parking issue, registration, insurance, and the fact that I can't ride it on side walks, bike paths, MTB trails and so on. The only part I miss about my Vstrom is extended motorcycle rides, which I rarely had time to do before my son arrived. Every once in a while I think about getting a KTM EXC 350 or EXC 500. They are esentially the best dirtbikes out there which are street legal in the US. But when I actually factor in how much I would ride it and divide that time by what I could spend on the Bomber, not going get one. Instead, I see another ebike build/buy in my future. I'm not sure if you realized just how right you are when you said "I'm starting to think this whole motorcycle thing might be a step backwards". The fact that you made that comment and I happen to think you are 100% correct is only my opinion.

Rick

 

[winkinatcha]

one of the brilliant things about Melbourne... It's legal to park your motorcycle on the footpath, for no parking fee or time limit.



Th e one thing tho Jay... The BIG thing, re Electric motorbikes (assuming registration and RWC/Engineers certificate.... )

It's Legal to ride on the roads in AUS going faster than 25km/h and with more power than 250 watts...without pedalling

Joe

 

[Hyena]

LOL...and how do we pronounce it...madass or madarse?

I say it the aussie way - arse.

I'm not sure if you realized just how right you are when you said "I'm starting to think this whole motorcycle thing might be a step backwards"

Yeah, for offroading it's a no brainer but I would like to be able to openly ride a high powered ebike at speed on the street. I do enjoy riding down the middle of the road and not having cars automatically tearing past me. Regardless of your speed there's always that group of car drivers who see a bicycle and must overtake it, often missing you by inches. That mentality doesnt seem apply when they see a number plate and blinkers on the back.
I'd happily register my ebike, but alas you can't. Even for a 'proper' bike the cost is negligable - It just cost me under $200 for a years rego and 3rd party insurance for the 'ass.

one of the brilliant things about Melbourne... It's legal to park your motorcycle on the footpath, for no parking fee or time limit

Yes! I noticed that when I was down there last. That would be nice. There's plenty of places around here where I could tuck the bike away but the parking cops are savage and would no doubt book me in short order. There's a big paid carpark here at work which I could easily just ride in to and park in a corner somewhere out of the way but I suspect they'd end up catching me on camera sooner or later and then lay a smackdown. There used to be places onsite where you could park but there's alot of redevelopment going on at my work currently so the place looks like a war zone. I wonder if I should try chaining it up to a bike rack and see what happens :lol:

 

[t3sla]

LOL...and how do we pronounce it...madass or madarse?

I say it the aussie way - arse.

Depends, if you are riding through Parramatta it's pronounced

MAD-AZZ BRO

 

[Rix]

Mad Ass in Italiano would be Culo Arrabbiatta.

 

[full-throttle]

Mixing genders there Rix? :wink:

I'd say it's 'Culo pazzo'

 

[Rix]

Mixing genders there Rix? :wink:

I'd say it's 'Culo pazzo'

Ah culo pazzo, crazy ass! yah that works also! :lol:

 

[Hyena]

Mixing genders there Rix? :wink:

Heh, Angry Ass. Anyway screw you guys for making me translate that

 

[Rix]

Che cazzo stai dicendo Jay? Deviamo parlare Inglese solo? Well shit, English it is. Cut me some slack if I speak americano english and not auzzie english. Example, If I say I am pissed, it means I am angry, not drunk. If I asked how do you like something, I mean how do you find it. Okay got that cleared up, movin forward :lol:

 

[Hyena]

Yeah Rix those things apply here too, I guess we just have more dual meanings for stuff.
How's that cold weather there currently? It's still miserable here



sorry to rub it in
Look closely at the pic and you can see some frame work for the new years eve fireworks on the harbour bridge. I dont know if it makes it onto the world news but every year they have some sort of theme or feature firework on the bridge and to quote Ron Burgendy, it's kind of a big deal.

In other news I have increased motivation to start on the E-conversion on my madass soon. I've been riding it around the last few days and it's developed a nasty clattering noise in the engine. Local moto mechanic reckons it's the clutch plate, which fits given the day before I doing a few high rev launches to see how quickly I could get off the line. oops

 

[Rix]

How's that cold weather there currently? It's still miserable here

Just Shitty, more snow today. Very beautiful pic of the commuter with that background. When I think of Australia, I think of the Sydney Opera House and the sail like structures in the back ground. Nice weather indeed. Smoked your clutch already, is it fading and slipping on you as well?

Rick

 

[Hyena]

Hey gang, ya miss me ?
I've been flat out with end of year stuff for work, then away for xmas and now back for the rest of the week before heading back to the salt mine.
My plans to get stuck into all my outstanding part finished projects doesn't look like happening to any great extent at this rate!
And top of my list is now fixing my stealth fighter. I took it out for a ride the other day and only got a short distance from home before it died. I was riding some tight single track and although it was performing very well but I think all the current multiplication that must have been going on with the high speed wind batshit motor was too much for the controller. The phase wires were hot but shouldn't have resulted in failure. I upgraded the connectors after the previous ones melted the solder off twice and the motor wasn't otherwise overly hot so that suggests controller. I'm surprised it didnt let go sooner really, the 18 fet regularly pushing 100 amps through high speed motors.
I have 3 replacement options, another crystalyte 18 fet, a medium sized KEB kelly or a big 350 phase amp sinewave sabvoton.
The sinewave one would be sweet but is a little too large for the frame realistically so it's back between the other 2.

How's that cold weather there currently? It's still miserable here

Just Shitty, more snow today. Very beautiful pic of the commuter with that background. When I think of Australia, I think of the Sydney Opera House and the sail like structures in the back ground.

Those sail like structures ARE the opera house

Smoked your clutch already, is it fading and slipping on you as well?

Nah not slipping yet, just sounds bad. The mechanic said it sounded like the clutch plates and just to ride it until it blows up / starts slipping.
I've also been trying to revive my old dirt bike that's been sitting untouched for the last ~3 years. I can't get it to kick over beyond the 2 seconds of run time I get from squirting petrol into the spark plug hole. I tried cleaning the carby but still no dice (infact I think I've buggered it in attempting to remove and clean it as the the throttle cable is now floppy with no return throttle spring action at all) Urggh, I remember now why I prefer electrics! Atleast I know from the few seconds of run time I got from "direct fuel injection" that the engine is OK and it's just a fuel/carby issue. This is good news as the 140cc lifan engine it has is apparently pretty decent with a stronger gearbox and clutch than other similar engines and it's a direct bolt up to the madass should I decide to go down that route. Not that I really want to, but the more I ride it the more I like having gears so it'd be cool if I could run the electric motor through the existing gearbox or something purpose built.

I'm uploading a vid now from my recent trip down south where I caught up with full throttle and samd and I'll try and get some more up shortly. I guess I should make a 2013 year in review video too if I can find a few spare days to edit it all!

 

[Rix]

2 seconds of run time I get from squirting petrol into the spark plug hole

Probably just your Pilot jet is plugged. Take of the bowl on the bottom of the carb, remove the jet, and using an oxyacetylene tip cleaner, clean out the jet. While you are in there, pull the Needle Jet and Main Jet and do that as well. Fresh gas and she will run no problem.

I have 3 replacement options, another crystalyte 18 fet, a medium sized KEB kelly or a big 350 phase amp sinewave sabvoton

Kenny sells a 24Fet 96V 80Ah Crystalyte controller. Could that be an option? I am thinking about getting one of those and sending it off to have the traces copper wired and flashed along with some reprogramming. Kepler, you want make a buck or two? Anyway I don't know much about the controller. The Kelly's look promising. They have controllers for every voltage and amp range a guy could want. Unfortunately for me, this is my weakest area knowledge wise for ebikes so I cant even start a debate about it. But I am learning.

Rick

 

[pendragon8000]

Hi Jay, the "big 350 phase amp sinewave sabvoton" sounds boss, have you opened it to see if you could put it in a box the same width as the fighter frame? might be a stuffed bra situation again.

good luck with the MC fuel issue, did you sort it with cleaner or something?

hows your son after that electric buggy incodent?

 

[Hyena]

Kenny sells a 24Fet 96V 80Ah Crystalyte controller. Could that be an option? I am thinking about getting one of those and sending it off to have the traces copper wired and flashed along with some reprogramming

Yeah crystalytes are pretty much the same as the infineon controllers from other suppliers so all the same things apply. I dunno about the 24 fet though, obviously the extra power is nice but it could be a tad wide for the fighter frame. I dont have one handy but I suspect they might overhang which i'm not keen on. This is the reason I haven't already bolted up the bigger sabvoton.
After finally finding time to test it though it seems the controller DIDN'T actually pop! After all this abuse it still lives! So it must have been some aspect of the batshit motor that let go. I haven't opened it yet but it could be as simple as a hall sensor. Though on a 37oC day and giving it some shtick with bulk current and a sealed motor a burnt winding isn't beyond the realm of belief.

Hi Jay, the "big 350 phase amp sinewave sabvoton" sounds boss, have you opened it to see if you could put it in a box the same width as the fighter frame?

I haven't personally opened it yet because it's all sealed and I'm not tooo keen on popping it open. But pics from the supplier are legit I'm sure. Not much wasted case width and the heavy thick base forms a large heatsink - pic here

good luck with the MC fuel issue, did you sort it with cleaner or something?

Yeah I flushed the tank with fresh fuel a few times, it had gone proper varnishy, was piss yellow and smelled nothing like petrol. I pulled off the carbi and gave it a good blast with carbi cleaner and pumped loads of clean fuel through it but I didn't remove the bowl so as Rix said that's where I need to target next. The main issue at this point is that the throttle cable which goes straight to the needle/slide in the carbi has gone all loose. There's a spring inside the body which I'm guessing should keep tension on it but there's about 2" of slack cable so I dunno what I've done wrong there. Silly old ICE tech :lol: I'll consult the youtube oracle of wisdom when I get time, I'm sure there's multiple vids on it and I'm just missing something simple.

hows your son after that electric buggy incodent?

haha he's totally fine. I thought he'd be busted up and instantly dropped the camera and tore the buggy off the top of him like a scene from the new (crap) superman movie of them throwing cars around but he just giggled and said "ok my turn again now". Not a mark on him!

I didn't post it here but here's the vid for everyone else. Cheeky little buggers.
The buggy is going well on 4S lipo so far. I'm tempted to crank it up even more and then replace the motor when it blows but as you can see they get into enough trouble even with it mildly hotted up!

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