Actually Arlo all of what you said is false and I'm starting to get annoyed with your Trolling at me. (Ask around about what it's like to be a Troll that comes after me.) First I'll let CNN slap you around a little bit. http://money.cnn.com/2014/04/04/pf/taxes/top-1-taxes/ Don't you even stop to think about embarrassment? Are you really so unconcerned about how WRONG the things you just make up in your head really are?
Fact $156,000 a year would be the average household income wages grew at the same rate as the top 1%
The foolishness of that one: What inflation rate do you want? If the average household makes 5 times as much, the average price is 5 times as much. Or more, prices simply rise faster. The whole reason Herbert Hoover invented permanent, government instituted inflation was to reduce the buying power of the public. This was to be good for business and good for government, no matter how bad it would be for the public. At the conference where he announced this publicly to the businessmen in attendance he said the prices would outstrip the raises and boy was he proved right. Henry Ford announced at the conference that he was heading back to Detroit and giving all his people a raise.
Do you know what tuition actually
IS, and how much you still have to pay to a school even though it's "Tuition Free?"
Did you for a moment stop to consider that most student loan debt:
Didn't pay for school, it paid for the student to live away from home without a job?
That a student that graduated with a degree that cost $30-40k owes over $100k because he/she didn't spend it on school?
That parents who were paying the full cost of the education often find out afterward about this student loan debt that there's no explanation for?
That when some DO spend the money on such expensive schools as Harvey Mudd here near me ($160-180k for 4 years without cost of living) they leave school with $75k++ job offers. My initial CalState degree didn't attract nearly so much positive attention.
In academic year 2012–13, postsecondary institutions spent $499 billion (in current dollars). Total expenses were $311 billion at public institutions, $166 billion at private nonprofit institutions, and $22 billion at private for-profit institutions.
https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=75
"In FY 2012, the Government Accountability Office released its own analysis of public college funding and revenue streams. It found that students were paying a total of $76.3 billion in tuition. . . ." The ever deceptive Bernie Sanders wants to say that because the U.S. government offers up some $60 billion in financial aid, this as grants, tax breaks, work-study money, etc., we need only instead hand that out and voila, free college. Never mind there's still tens of billions to be spent on books. Or that he's depending on there already being subsidized schools that his program only pays a small part of the cost for.
You know, there's something around 113 community colleges in California, over 2 million students. There'd be more, but the schools are underfunded and can't offer classes to meet the demand at $46 a unit, maybe one fourth of the actual cost. Then there's books. A two year degree costs about $5-6k, depending on lab fees and other costs.
Then there's the California State University and College system. 23 schools. $5,500 a year to enroll fulltime, even though it is TUITION FREE by California State law. Plus books. Considered around $7,500 a year, paying about half the actual cost. But tuition is a specific cost, it is NOT the full cost of college. I could tell you such stories of the nitpicking reasons people can't get in. When the economy was worse you might be accepted to USC and Stanford where you couldn't afford to go, but then you'd be rejected by CalState with a 3.6GPA. In the last few years it's down to 3.3GPA. A huge chunk of the student population is nonresident students, including foreign, paying the full cost of their education. Students who can't get in whine about that, but until there's money to pay the difference, make no mistake Bernie is NOT offering to pay that difference, then there's no way to offer enough classes for everyone.
If California could find another $2 billion maybe for the community colleges we might be able to operate at capacity. That's only halfway to a BA. The other half would come from an additional $1 billion to the Cal State system. Oh, there's also the UC system, UCLA, UCBerkeley, etc.These are also tuition free, I think it's $12k a year now in this tuition free environment. 3 times what my tuition free cost was when I went to UCLA, it soared quickly without introducing tuition. They need a billion too. Then the students need a few billion more in handouts from Bernie. The total cost for Bernie's program has soared over $80 billion just getting California back where it used to be, he only has a little over $60 billion to justify it with.
Then what? More people showing up for college because it's free? So we up the budget for the schools a few billion and Bernie kicks in a few billion more. That's just California. Are you noticing that Bernie's plan doesn't begin to actually pay for people to go to college? If you're ignorant, you fall for his spouting. When all the other states do the same, he'll have people seeking over $100 billion a year that only covers a small part of the actual cost. Unless the government also picks up some of the costs that states, counties, etc. are paying, there is no expansion of the number of people who can go to college. Literally, I know people who were good students, had good grades, but cannot finish college both because they took so long getting through the crowded community colleges that they don't have time anymore, they need to work; plus they might not be able to get into the public college they could afford anyway, because they didn't have '40 units of general education that matched their suggested guidelines for that specific major,' or 'Hadn't taken xx lower division class before taking xx as their campus lists as a prerequiste,' or. . . .
Double the number of people in public college and you double the marginal cost, the mere $499 billion becomes $998 billion, putting the cost of Bernie's plan around $160 billion. (
Basically Bernie's plan is a chiselers' fantasy, trying to find a way to ride the coattails of others. When people can't go to school on Bernie's pocketchange he'll point the finger at others who are paying most of the cost but he'll claim they're not paying "Their fair share.") But then you need more facilities, there's not enough buildings right now to double the number of students. What if the number of students MORE than doubles? Bernie, we need more money. . . .
I could give 2 shits what you think Dauntless but its the bullshit lies and garbage you spread that needs to be stopped!
Arlo, I can give you nightmares and slap you silly across the internet. I'm the one telling the truth, you're the troll that's lying, as I so readily have already proved and can keep proving. And I mean keep proving until you scream for mercy. Damn, you've made a fool of yourself. What's gotten into you, is there a substance abuse problem? You're not usually this bad, but you're definitely plum loco right now. What a coincidence that I recently quoted my friend to another poster here: "You can taste the alcohol as you read."
If you look for truth, you may find comfort in the end; if you look for comfort you will not get either comfort or truth only soft soap and wishful thinking to begin, and in the end, despair.
-C. S. Lewis
