Lithium-ion Polymer Batteries--general info.

Gary,

Welcome to the forum and thanks for the extended input.

Some of the folks here on Endless Sphere have also been tinkering with the DeWalt 36V packs, using the R/C community's experience as a jumping off point. I think you may find some of the information they came up with to be useful to your applications.

Our most intrepid DeWalt explorer is Doctorbass. He experimented on variations to a schematic produced by Jeff Ratdke at Neodymics and was able to demonstrate a setup for using the DeWalt packs through the BMS at 19A continuous, with the BMS providing a 25V low voltage cutoff.

Details of his experiments can be found here: http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2050

That discussion starts with a charger mod, but at about post 18 or so the conversation morphs to BMS testing/tinkering. The thread digression was my fault for posting the Neodymics schematic to the wrong thread. I initially thought they were hooking up a single charger to multiple batteries which was high on the wish list of DeWalt users. A second read quickly uncovered my error, but the damage was already done.

I hope the information cross-feed can confirm and improve on things they have been testing, and also prove useful to you. Post your experience if you implement any of it on-bike.

Those battery racks look good. I could see doing a single decker version for a 35V 4 pack arrangement.
 
Thanks, I've seen Dr. Bass's posts all over here. :) i will definitely check out that thread, thanks. I recently saw the Neodymics schematic, which is where I found out about the 2nd switched output. I'm still not sure why the went to such an exotic switching circuit to enable the packs, but I am very interested in the use of the Schottky diodes to isolate the packs. I'm thinking of playing with that to see if there is any real benefit to isolating the packs. Normally, I would usually put all cells in parallel before connecting the parallel blocks in series, but that only works with packs made from loose cells and it really should be done with cells that are closely matched, or at least from new packs. I've got several hundred cells total, but they all have varying amounts of cycles, and abuse, for that matter. It's not so hard to match about 16 cells, so I've been doing lots of 16s "chunks" that can be charged seperately, from time-to-time.

If there is interest, I will make some of the mounts available here. Andrey has a few tweaks to make that will reduce the complexity a bit, and reduce the assembly time. It cn be wired any way you want so you could certainly do a 1s4p setup.

Okay, off to do some reading... It's a bit like trying to take a sip out of a fire hose. :D
 
Very interesting and informative first post. I can confirm, however, that the charger does indeed balance the cells. I've hooked it up to a pack with cells between 3.48 and 3.74 V each, and the charger quickly brought everything up to between 3.73-3.75 V. From what I understand (which is not much), it first uses the two main wires for quickly charging the pack until at least one cell becomes fully charged, and then it alternates (pulses) between reading each cell's voltage through the balance wires and then sending that specific cell a bit of current through the same wire. This balancing phase does not begin until all three lights on the charger are solid, so you shouldn't simply remove the charger once the three light stay solid unless you're in a hurry; the pack is mostly full at that point but may not be balanced yet.

FYI the reason my cells had been so out of balance was due to a pretty dramatic short-circuit I'd accidentally caused. It actually melted a bit of the end cap of one of the cells! Seems to work fine though, but I haven't tested it under load yet.
 
I just finished reading the referenced thread where Doctorbass did the BMS tests. I am absolutely amazed! I need to reread what the actual circuit wants to be, as I would really like to add this capability to the racks. Being able to get 40A out of a 20s2p setup, and having the LVC function is just what is needed. :)

I'm still a bit confused about which negative terminal you use, the one that is switched, right? Also, what about the enable pin? Is it used? I guess I should probably go ask these questions in the other thread.

Andrey and I specifically did the rack mounts so that the packs were easy to get on and off. The springloaded locking mechanisms on the packs are used. I bought four of the DeWalt chargers off of eBay for $100. For what I spent on that silly Zivan charger, I could have bought a DeWalt charger for every pack, and then some. In any case, it doesn't take me any longer to get 4 packs on the chargers than it would to attach 4 of the "remoted" connectors to the packs. :)

-- Gary
 
The fused spade (the outer -) connection provides ground reference for the resistor connections to the other pins. The enable pin is connected to the positive spade. The inner - spade connection is used for primary power.

Might want to reread that thread and the original schematic a few times to make sure I haven't screwed anything up in my summary here.
 
I just saw on the news today that a car company( i think nissan) will produce a car with this battery that gets 100 miles on charge. will be on the market within two years
Butch
 
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