Manufacturers and dealers to avoid

TylerDurden said:
slacker said:
ecowheelz,on their website today they have greenline electric bikes for 0.00 and 7.95 shipping.called to confirm and they were extremely rude and had quite the attitude. needless to say i will not be recommending them to anyone.beware
Those guys are usually fine... maybe if you look very closely at the page, you can see the message at the top: :roll:

TylerDurden... thanks for pointing that out. It clearly states on our website that the Greenline electric beach cruisers are no longer available. We only have them displayed for informational purposes (since so many people still ask about them), but they're not being actively promoted. When the customer called, he said we had to provide the bikes for $0.00 because that's what was displayed on our website (even though it also said they were no longer available). When we told him they weren't available and we couldn't send one for $0.00 he said he was going to call the BBB. You get the picture...
 
I've been too pre-occupied to chase after Joshua for my money, but I'd be glad to get involved if a few of us got together to do something.
 
Bill Best said:
I've been too pre-occupied to chase after Joshua for my money, but I'd be glad to get involved if a few of us got together to do something.

I posted this to the original buy yahoo group so herez a copy for ES:

Re: [lifepo4-purchase] BMS catastrophe
--- On Thu, 4/22/10, ebike <ebike@...> wrote:
From: ebike <ebike@...>
Subject: Re: [lifepo4-purchase] BMS catastrophe
To: lifepo4-purchase@yahoogroups.com
Received: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 5:50 PM
Well hey at least you GOT your Batteries!!
Joshua Goldberg fraudulently misappropriated my money to pay for YOUR
batteries. I am out ALL my money and have neither received my batteries case
or BMS's or a REFUND.
All I get is a different song and dance routine with empty promises. There are 6
or 7 other Canadians that were ripped off as well.
At least you got to use yours for a while.



From early 2009:

RE: [lifepo4-purchase] Re: My packs
Thursday, April 2, 2009 11:46 AM
From: "EVsolutions" <evsolutions@...>
To: lifepo4-purchase@yahoogroups.com

My Paypal Account is in USD and my Bank Account is in USD but according to
Paypal there was a Policy change and Revenue Canada are the ones to blame here.
Seems American money being transferred across the Border has to enter as
Canadian currency.



As for the Canadian side of all this I’m working on it and should know within
a couple of weeks. On the positive side the packs we get will have all the nifty
improvements Headway discovered were lacking in the first shipment.

Will now cover my ears so I won’t hear all the swearing form the American
side.



joshua goldberg

evsolutions@ rogers.com

http://www.evsolutions. net

http://groups. yahoo.com/ groups/e- motor-assist



-----Original Message-----
From: lifepo4-purchase@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:lifepo4- purchase@ yahoogroups.
com] On Behalf Of ebike
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 11:08 AM
To: lifepo4-purchase@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [lifepo4-purchase] Re: My packs



Ouch...!!!

Well I'd consult a lawyer regarding paypal. Unless you specifically requested
the monetary conversion they had no right doing it. Talking nice nice on the
phone will get you nowhere with them. The trick is getting a lawyer that will do
the work for a percentage of the amount to reclaim. Any lawyers in the group
buy??

Well lets hope Rob hasn't decided to abscond with the batteries and sell them
locally. You really need to contact his business if not him. Wasn't there
someone in the group buy that was only a couple miles away?? Dropping by witha
billy club or cop in tow might be in order if there is no word soon.

Unfortunately collecting the money then waiting to put in the purchase is akin
to playing the money market. Sometime you win and sometimes it takes a bloody
large chunk outta your arse.


So what is happening with the Canadian shipment? Are you calling it quits and
refunding or is it going through? Has it already gone through?



EVsolutions wrote:

Been unable to locate Rob for almost 3 weeks. He was supposed to meet Victoria
about the warranty and replacement parts and according to Victoria he never
appeared and did not respond to emails or phone calls.



I have stayed out of all this since the boat docked because Rob was into
handling everything but none of what I wanted or expected happened or it
happened really slowly.



There was supposed to be a website setup by Rob for everyone who got a pack or
cells that gave performance graphs and info on care & maintenance of the cells
and on replacing parts and so on. That website never happened beyond getting the
domain name.



The plan was Rob would be the Distributor for Headway and so his dealing with
Headway and everyone and their issues is included in the job description and so
far all that has been a roaring mess. You cannot have customer support when the
guy who is supposed to be doing it goes AWOL.



My own e-bike was stolen yesterday afternoon and then my wife informs me she
cancelled our theft insurance 2 months ago because no one in this area ever has
anything stolen and so I’m in a really evil mood right now.



Yesterday I started discussion with a company in Florida who does electric car
conversions. Their company CEO met Victoria last week and if they takeover from
Rob then replacement parts under Warranty and missing packs will flow through
their company.



As for a refund?



Well since Rob does have your order I’m not sure how that would work? I keep
assuming Rob will reappear.



When I decided to do this Group shipment I calculated I would lose about
$108.00 on the Foreign Exchange rate and Bank Transfer fees and I thought a mere
$108.00 was worth it to get all this done. Well that $108.00 loss turned into a
$5,400.00 loss and so I will have to destroy my Master Card and go on a diet (no
more Donuts) to cover that loss and of course having my wife laid off due to the
recession adds to the fun. To add another refund right now would not be
pleasant.



If anyone is curious how a $108.00 Loss mushroomed into a $5,400.00 Loss it was
because of the delays at Headway getting the order shipped out. Had the final
60% payment gone in before October 17 the loss had increased only a few hundred
dollars from when the first 40% payment was made.



When the initial 40% Down payment was made the Canadian Dollar was almost at Par
with the American Dollar and so my loss was only $108.00



Paypal (as a favor to me) the idiots sent the 60% Paypal Payment to me in
Canadian Funds just as the Canadian Dollar fell off a cliff. Since I had an
American Dollar Bank Account that I only used for Headway I had zero reason to
check the balance. When I went into the Bank for the 60% Balance Transfer I
discovered what Paypal had done.



The Canadian Dollar dropped from 98 Cents U.S. to 77 cents U.S. but my Bank
pegged it at 75 cents U.S.



So the 40% went in okay at $14,400.00 US.



When the 60% Balance was due the $21,600.00 U.S. was now only $16,200.00 U.S.
and $5,400.00 was missing because of the exchange rate drop-Ã oh what fun.



I tried to get Paypal to cough up the $5,400.00 since it was their being nice to
me that created the mess but they wouldn’t budge.



I ended up delaying the 60% Payment till December 01st hoping Headway would
lower their prices and the Canadian Dollar rebounded but the Dollar is fixed to
the price of Oil and with Oil trading so low the Dollar stayed low. Rob insisted
I send in the $21,600.00 on December 01st because everyone here was complaining
about the delays. Compounding the problem was my needing to refund payments in
U.S. Dollars using Canadian money to several people. End result was I lost a bit
under $6,400.00 and I didn’t even get a Headway pack for myself-à bugger.
Headway waited till they got the full payment and then lowered their prices. Had
they lowered it before I sent the 60% Balance my loss would have been smaller
and less painful.



The term “Giant Cluster F*ck” springs to mind here and with Rob vanishing it
is just one more nail in the ever expanding coffin.



joshua goldberg

evsolutions@ rogers.com

http://www.evsolutions. net

http://groups. yahoo.com/ groups/e- motor-assist



-----Original Message-----
From: lifepo4-purchase@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:lifepo4- purchase@ yahoogroups.
com] On Behalf Of mskwood32
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 5:28 AM
To: lifepo4-purchase@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [lifepo4-purchase] Re: My packs



Hi Joshua,
So has Rob emailed you on the status of my 48v 20amp order??????? ?? If Headway
sent out some dead on arrive BMS, Chargers and cells then why haven't they sent
replacements units out to rectify the problem? When I ordered battery packs from
Ping one had arrived with a faulty BMS. I emailed him and within a week I had a
replacement bms at my door step. I can't believe that it has been 8 months since
getting involved in this group buy and still no batteries. Can you get some
information on the date that my working pack will be shipped to me. Or just
refund me my money back. :(

Mike


--- In lifepo4-purchase@ yahoogroups. com, "EVsolutions" <evsolutions@ ...>
wrote:
>
> Am waiting for Rob to email me
>
>
>
> joshua goldberg
>
> evsolutions@ ...
>
> http://www.evsolutions. net
>
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ groups/e- motor-assist
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lifepo4-purchase@ yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:lifepo4-purchase@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of mskwood32
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 9:40 PM
> To: lifepo4-purchase@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [lifepo4-purchase] Re: My packs
>
>
>
> Hi Joshua,
> Status please on my order?
> Mike
>
> --- In lifepo4-purchase@ <mailto:lifepo4- purchase% 40yahoogroups. com>
> yahoogroups. com, "EVsolutions" <evsolutions@ > wrote:
> >
> > Will ask Rob since it looks like some spare cells are needed also.
> Victoria
> > is supposed to be in San Diego in a couple of days and I assume Rob will
> > bring up what is missing then.
> >
> >
> >
> > joshua goldberg
> >
> > evsolutions@
> >
> > http://www.evsolutions. net
> >
> > http://groups. <http://groups. yahoo.com/ groups/e- motor-assist>
> yahoo.com/groups/ e-motor-assist
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lifepo4-purchase@ <mailto:lifepo4- purchase% 40yahoogroups. com>
> yahoogroups. com
> > [mailto:lifepo4- purchase@ <mailto:lifepo4- purchase% 40yahoogroups. com>
> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of mskwood32
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 2:34 PM
> > To: lifepo4-purchase@ <mailto:lifepo4- purchase% 40yahoogroups. com>
> yahoogroups. com
> > Subject: [lifepo4-purchase] Re: My packs
> >
> >
> >
> > Joshua,
> > So how long will this take?
> > Mike
> >
> > --- In lifepo4-purchase@ <mailto:lifepo4- purchase% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > yahoogroups. com, "EVsolutions" <evsolutions@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > I never emailed you because I thought Rob did that already.
> > >
> > > Your pack was the one with the broken BMS and dead Charger that Rob is
> > > getting replaced.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The only other screw up was a missing 3620 that appeared as (2) 3610
> > packs.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > joshua goldberg
> > >
> > > evsolutions@
> > >
> > > http://www.evsolutions. net
> > >
> > > http://groups. <http://groups.
> <http://groups. yahoo.com/ groups/e- motor-assist>
> yahoo.com/groups/ e-motor-assist>
> > yahoo.com/groups/ e-motor-assist
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: lifepo4-purchase@ <mailto:lifepo4- purchase% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > yahoogroups. com
> > > [mailto:lifepo4- purchase@ <mailto:lifepo4- purchase% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of mskwood32
> > > Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 3:21 PM
> > > To: lifepo4-purchase@ <mailto:lifepo4- purchase% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > yahoogroups. com
> > > Subject: [lifepo4-purchase] Re: My packs
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Joshua
> > > Can you find out the status on my Pack (48v 20amp) hour. All my payments
> > > have been made on time. I have ask several time for a status update and
> > > still have no idea as to what is going on with my order. I don't have a
> > spam
> > > blocker that see paypal request as spam.
> > > Mike kirkwood.michael@ <mailto:kirkwood. michael%40gmail. com> gmail.com
> > >
> > > -- In lifepo4-purchase@ <mailto:lifepo4- purchase% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > yahoogroups. com, "EVsolutions" <evsolutions@ > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I sent Rob your email address earlier today and asked him to try it
> > again.
> > > >
> > > > Only other thing I can imagine is you have a Spam Blocker that sees
> > Paypal
> > > > as Spam.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > joshua goldberg
> > > >
> > > > evsolutions@
> > > >
> > > > http://www.evsolutions. net
> > > >
> > > > http://groups. <http://groups.
> > <http://groups. <http://groups. yahoo.com/ groups/e- motor-assist>
> yahoo.com/groups/ e-motor-assist>
> > yahoo.com/groups/ e-motor-assist>
> > > yahoo.com/groups/ e-motor-assist
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: lifepo4-purchase@ <mailto:lifepo4- purchase% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > yahoogroups. com
> > > > [mailto:lifepo4- purchase@ <mailto:lifepo4- purchase% 40yahoogroups.
com>
> > > yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of nordhs
> > > > Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 1:57 PM
> > > > To: lifepo4-purchase@ <mailto:lifepo4- purchase% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > yahoogroups. com
> > > > Subject: [lifepo4-purchase] Re: My packs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sigh, no. Same email address I've had for 12 years. Same paypal
> account
> > > that
> > > > I used to send the initial payments. Paypal account is still active. I
> > > check
> > > > my email multiple times per day. Same address assigned to my yahoo
> > > > membership for this group.
> > > >
> > > > Sometimes it isn't fun being 'special'.
> > > > -Steve
> > > >
> > > > --- In lifepo4-purchase@ <mailto:lifepo4- purchase% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > > yahoogroups. com, "EVsolutions" <evsolutions@ > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Is it possible you have a new email address?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > An email address different from the one you gave to Paypal?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Rob sent me a list a couple of weeks ago with only 4 people listed
> and
> > > you
> > > > > were on the list of people who had not replied to his emails and I
> > know
> > > > the
> > > > > other 3 had eventually replied and got their packs.

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Graph of US-Cda currency exchange rates over this time period:
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tks
Lock
 
Translation of locks long post..

Joshua says paypal done him wrong because of Joshua's decision to not give us the batteries on the original time schedule and then he decided to fraudulently use Canadian purchasers funds to buy batteries for Americans. Insert endless list of promises of never to materialize payment here...
 
And wattever the truth of the story, the only instance I have heard of of an unhappy Joshua customer. (For folks here that may not know, I was in on this group buy also...)
Lock
 
I ordered two 48V packs from this group buy and have received nothing but excuses, so my $800+ is swinging in the wind.
The unfortunate consequence is that I will probably never benefit from another group buy, such as Frodus's excellent organizational skills produced, because I will be afraid of getting burned again.
Barrie
 
"My Paypal Account is in USD and my Bank Account is in USD but according to
Paypal there was a Policy change and Revenue Canada are the ones to blame here.
Seems American money being transferred across the Border has to enter as
Canadian currency."

This is a totally false statement. Revenue Canada has no such policy/regulations. It is either a Paypal "policy" to cheat you or you had mistakenly asked Paypal to send a specific dollar amount of money to a specified Canadian Bank account. You can send US dollars to a Canadian Bank account, but it must identify US$ on the instrument. This mistake has happened to me in the past and I simply go to the bank and point out it was drawn on a US account and the bank pays me the funds in US$. The Canadian machine that reads the cheque (check) just reads a number and if the number has US behind it, the OCR kicks the cheque out for manual processing. To be very clear; If you send me a check, from the US for $100 and I deposit it, I will get $100C. If I scribble US ($100US) I will get $100US value (in Canadian funds), less the banks 1.75%. In Canada we have both US denominated bank accounts and credit cards. I deposit all US$ checks in my US account, take US$ out to spend or pay my US VISA from this account. No exchange rate, no bank fees. By pretending to be a FOREX money trader, you can setup an account and exchange currencies for $30 per $10,000 (0.3% instead of 1.75% bank fee). Both Revenue Canada and US CPB require all transactions of $10,000+ in their respective currencies, to be registered when crossing the border.
 
Add michelle@xhnykj.cn to the avoid list. I ordered a headway pack a couple weeks ago with air delivery.

Not only did she not deliver anything, she gave me a fake tracking number.

Edit - The jury is out on this one. After she ceased communication, I did a credit card chargeback. To my surprise, a package delivery attempt was made almost 2 weeks later. Unfortunately, I had to refuse delivery because I had already ordered from evcomponents.
 
I wanted to post here so that others could avoid the grief I had to go through when dealing with Hi-Power Cycles.

My recommendation would be for the buyer to beware when it comes to Hi Power Cycles.

I ordered a Black Lightning kit from them and it was a total nightmare.
After almost 2 months of trying to work with them, I had to ask for my money back.
Here's my experience in a nutshell:
Called on Mar 9th and ordered kit. Was told it would ship by end of week.
When no tracking number had arrived by the middle of the NEXT week, I called and left a message - never got a response.
I then started calling each day - the phone was never answered, I left messages but still did not receive a call back.
I finally got someone to answer the phone at the end of the second week - they told me they were busy but my motor would ship the following Monday. Well, it didn't - they finally shipped it Mar 26th.
Here's where it gets even better - When the box arrived with my motor kit, I opened it up only to discover that they did not ship the motor controller! (They never even packed it with the order) Additionally, the axle of the motor was sticking out of the box and I later discovered that the wires going into the axle had been cut. Even the FedEx driver was shocked at the very poor packing. (His words when he delivered it: "Wow, they didn't pack this very good, did they?") This started a whole new round of trying to get ahold of them and getting a replacement kit. They outright lied to me and told me they had sent a 'loaner' motor kit when I finally disputed the transaction in PayPal.
Worst experience I have ever had buying anything online. After informing them that I was going to contact the Better Busisness Bureau and file a complaint (as well as posting a warning here) they threatened me with legal action! (See below)
Here's the kicker - I found another dealer that sells the Black Lighting. I was able to order a kit from them $400 cheaper than Hi Power Cycles and they told me they could ship it that same day (and they actually did!). E-mail me if you want to know where I got the 2nd kit...
Threat I received from Hi-Power cycles after cancelling my order and letting them know I was filing a complaint with the BBB:
PLEASE BE HEREBY ADVISED THAT ANY ATTEMPT TO DEFAME OUR GOOD BUSINESS REPUTATION BY THESE AGGREDIOUS LIES WILL BE DEALT WITH IMMEDIATELY AND SWIFTLY TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF ALL LEGAL REMEDIES AVAILABLE TO HI-POWER CYCLES. PLEASE BE FURTHER ADVISED THAT WE HAVE FORWARDED YOUR THREATS VIA TELEPHONE TRANSMISSIONS AND EMAIL TO OUR ATTORNEYS AND WE ARE PREPARED TO PROTECT ALL OF OUR LEGAL RIGHTS AGAINST YOUR MALICOUS SLANDER AND UNFOUNDED THREATS AS WELL AS ANY FURTHER FINANCIAL DAMAGE TO OUR BUSINESS AND REPUTATION. PLEASE UNDERSTAND YOU ARE ALREADY IN VIOLATION OF THE FEDERAL TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT OF 1996, AND ANY FURTHER LIBEL ON ONLINE FORUMS WILL ONLY FURTHER SERVE TO INCRIMINATE YOU.

Please note, I am not a competitor of HPC, just a (very) dissatisfied customer. I am not connected in any way with anyone that sells e-bike components. I am just a consumer that got a raw deal from Hi-Power Cycles. I have been building and riding e-bikes for 4 years now and I have a good amount of experience with the technology. (and other vendors)

I would not normally post something like this, but I have gained a lot of knowledge over the years reading this forum and I wanted to be sure that nobody else has to go through what I did with this company. It's a small gesture, but I wanted to give back to the forum. $1,300 is a lot of money to spend and when you start to think that you are getting ripped off, it can be very disconcerting. Hopefully nobody else has to go through what I did with these guys…

This whole thing was a major hassle for me - my e-bike is my sole means of transportation (as I told HPC) and it has been a huge inconvience for me to have to wait (in the dark) for almost 2 months to get my ride back up and running. VERY frustrating when you are given false expectations, over & over & over.... (not to mention that I never even got an apology)
--- VERY POOR CUSTOMER SERVICE ---
 
Electro said:
I wanted to post here so that others could avoid the grief I had to go through when dealing with Hi-Power Cycles.

My recommendation would be for the buyer to beware when it comes to Hi Power Cycles.

When you posted this on Tuesday, I immediately phoned and emailed them, expressing interest in a hubmotor. The voicemail said as it was spring they were busy building customers bikes and would get back to me asap. TO DATE, NO REPLY IN ANY FORMAT. Today the same message is on their answering machine.
Don't take my word for this, dial 323 325-3390 and see what response you get.
 
http://evsolutions.net/ aka Joshua Goldberg
EvSolutions -- Avoid at all cost also a victim of Joshua Goldberg who took over 700.00 dollars from me. I was another one in his Lifepo4 group buy that didn't receive any batteries and paid him in full.
Mike
 
I ordered two Headway batteries back in Oct of 09 and didn't receive them until Dec 2009. When I did receive them, both were defective. Since I absolutely needed one for transportation (even though it was only delivering 4ah of the 10ah it was rated for) I decided to keep one and deal with the immediate replacement of the other battery first. In Dec 2010 I was told to send the battery back to their warehouse and it would be replaced. I did so, at a cost of $40 to me and waited and waited. Every time I contacted them, I was told that they were working on a solution and it would take time. This was the same response I received in Fed 2010. Then another month passed and nothing. Now they weren't even responding to my email. Finally, a couple days ago, James Morrison responded to me to tell me, that their company is dissolving and I was considered an unsecured creditor that wouldn't be paid back. To repeat. They instructed me to send them my property with the understanding that they would replace it. I did so. And, now, left with nothing to show for it, I am being told 'tuff luck.'
 
You might wanna check these threads out:
http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php?p=178236
http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php/anyone-suggest-good-battery-vendori-44388.html
http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44546
http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45053
http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44467
http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44839
http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44863
http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44843
http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44374

I might have missed some threads that discuss it.

Or read James' recent posts:
http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/search.php?searchid=241319

Apparently there are a number of EVComponents customers that are getting very unhappy about now, since James will not talk to them but has their money and their products.

My viewpoint as an uninvolved outsider, based on the replies at those threads by James, is that it appears that he is holding hostage goods and/or money from customers that have nothing to do with the squabble between James and former employees, for reasons I cannot determine. What he plans to do with those goods/money remains to be seen, but the way he is responding to existing customers of his is certainly not helpful or encouraging.

I know that based on his actions and comments recently, I would never do business with him myself--I could not trust him.
 
Thank you for the list of threads. I have created an account over there and have started posting to them. It seems as though there are a great many people that have paid for products that James is refusing to deliver. He is telling customers who have bought and paid for products and now have rights of ownership of these products, that they are being considered "unsecured creditors" of the company and that he is liquidating (reselling) these products that they legally own to try and repay the company's main creditor. I suspect that he has created a shell account to act as this main creditor to be repaid.

Here some of the thoughts I posted on that threat:

1. One thing that comes to mind is that I have heard a lot about the alleged theft being batted around as an excuse for those not receiving this property, but I haven't heard one word about INSURANCE.

Businesses maintain a certain level of insurance to mitigate instances, just such as this. Typically if items that have already been paid for and are legally owned by customers are stolen, an insurance claim is made and customers are reimbursed. If you do not have the physical products that others own or have been promised, make the necessary insurance claim(s) and reimburse them monetarily.


2. What is this non-sense with attempting to classify us as "unsecured creditors"?

None of us issued EV Components a line of business credit. We have PURCHASED items from them. At no time have we given the company the authority to retain our money or merchandise for its own business purposes. For one, a creditor extends loans with a degree of interest due on repayment. We would certainly NOT authorize a company to keep our money and/or products for their own use without the expectation of an acceptable return on our investment (interest). This is enough to legally "shock the conscience." We are individuals that have bought and legally own items that this company is choosing not to deliver. That is theft and fraud, plain and simple.

3. The liquidation of products already bought and paid for?

When a legal purchase occurs, the rights of ownership of those items changes hands when funds for those items are received. Companies DO NOT have the LEGAL authority to sell items that it no longer has rights of ownership for. The simple fact is, that many people here have paid for products offered by EV Components. The moment EV Components received payment for these products, these products became legally owned by their purchaser(s). Selling these products, after the rights of ownership changed hands, constitutes (grand) theft and fraud.
 
ok i have 1 for you all.
scootyfairway ebay sellor, also has the website ETAUS.com brought a hub motor almost a year ago, it arrived ok, and even worked fine for about 10 miles. then it developed a shudder ( a hall sensor i think ) any way i got home with it and trieds to test the wheel with no load, at this time it spun from the axle and ripped a few wires.
so i contacted him and explained what had happened and got his ok ( under warranty ) to repair the wires as i thought that could of been the problem. sounds strange but i knew bugger all back then. repaired the wires and still had the shudder, so after about $40 worth of phone calls he agreed for me to send it back, he would repair and return. 2 months after it was sent and another $30 worth of phone calls and he said i had voided the warranty.
next step was to get my motor back working or not so i could arrange repair. no good he refused to return it. next was a court order for its return. he ignored that as well.
so me being a disabled pensioner, basically threw over $600 away. i havnt forgotten and i will follow it up again. i have also reported him to the tax department as a person who could be with holding tax.
so scott brown or adam wright of grafton and albury. i havnt forgotten you both. well i actually think you are the same person as on the phone you sound identical.
karma is a bitch and it will bite you when you can least afford it. you ripped of a battler with kids

i should say the hub motor was brought so i could have transport to attend things with my kids as we live in a hilly town, and my energy levels do not allow me to be able to walk over more then 1.

ps he also threatened me with legal action if i pursued this. bring it on :D
 
I was discussing this thread with my son last night and informed me he has gotten refunds on two similar transaction. In one instance he was sent a piece of junk that had no relationship to what he ordered. In the second he was offered a genuine, original CD and received a copy. In both instances he immediately opened a dispute with paypal and was told they only investigate when nothing is received by the buyer. If the item is wrong or a forgery, it is the buyers problem to work it out with the seller. He purposely waited over a month to allow the seller to withdraw the funds from paypal and then sent the information on the fraud's, to VISA. VISA refunded the purchases after taking the money from paypal, even though the fraudster's paypal accounts were empty. This appears to be one way to put pressure on paypal to quit facilitating rip off artists. So keep your paypal account empty and pay the paypal purchases with VISA. This gives you a layer of protection from fraudster's.
 
This is for People in the U.K
He is a e.Bay seller, selling allegedly tricked out Cyclone kits,On my kit which was suppost to be a 1500 set-up it looks more like a 1200 or a 900 kit The Controller has blown , and the voltage has been crossed out on it , Paco at Cyclone will replace it for me for a small fee,The seller offered full support as he is in the uk,But all he has done is Change his name to fastbikes and says he cant help,
Complaint logged with paypal and the Bank

oxfordebikes, cyclemasters and their new name
fastebikes?
 
My recommendation is to avoid Amped Bikes. My reasons are all in this thread:

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=20134

The guy is not only a total amateur, he's a huge jerk when you need support.
 
I'll tell ya I just had some very efficient dealings with Ampedbikes. I ordered a front 20" DD motor from them and unfortunately they were out of stock. I could have waited but not this time as it's for my wifes' new trike that she has to use for accident rehab. They responded within a day and immediately offered and alternative gear motor at the same cost. Unfortunately I had to say no as SWMBO has very sensitive ears so they immediately refunded my Paypal account. This seems very professional to me and I would not hesitate to order from them again.
otherDoc
 
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