Manufacturers and dealers to avoid

MudMomMerry said:
We bought an Amped Bikes kit for our daughter who is 14. When it arrived the front wheel made a clicking noise. After some runaround with the owner (I think his name is Danny), which took far too long considering what the problem was, he told us we had to go to a bike shop and buy a wrench and tighten the spokes on the wheel. This seemed pretty lame when he should have done that before he sent it to us, but anyway we go to the store and buy a wrench, and it turns out that the wrenches they sell at the bike store don't even work on this wheel. The spokes are actually motorcycle spokes! So we had to go to a motorcycle shop clear across town and buy this special wrench to adjust this silly wheel that should have been tightened before it ever got shipped. Every spoke on it was loose. I guess he just gets the parts and doesn't even check them. We won't be doing business with him again.
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I have to say, not good. It would leave a bad taste in my mouth, too. However, I got a conversion kit from Danny in October, and I did not have a problem with it (I had gone through one of his dealers, who had it drop-shipped to me). I got SLAs with it, and when the bag slipped off the rack (due to me changing a couple of things around and not putting it on securely, I have to say), he offered to replace any of the batts which were damaged in the fall (and succeeding skid) for free even though it was my fault, but they had come out OK. The wheels were, and still are, tight.

That being said, things do sometimes slip through. I don't know Danny personally, but cyber-communication is not his strong suit (he checks one of his email addresses on the website a lot more frequenetly than the other, but I don't remember which). I do think he should have at least offered to send you a spoke wrench for his 12ga. spokes. In fact, I think he should include one in all of his kits, I'll suggest that strongly (to both email addresses).

BTW, he does say that the kit is manufactured in China, from which I would assume the wheel is built there.

Hope it goes better, if I can help you from my experience with the bike conversion and afterwards, feel free to PM me.

Cameron
 
golden motor Canada scam!!!

advertise new sell used parts covered in mud charged me $20 for a usb cable only to find it bent and wiring hanging out.
this has got to be the worst purchase ever. avoid at all cost :twisted:


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cheers
 
it goes without saying that if you buy bike wheel with motor and controller and throttle and what else, all kit for LESS than 600 USA dollars and you go to JV bikes Vancouver for example web site and see E+ kit for 2500 US dollars it should make you think.
Does it matter E+ is more powerful, it is everything to do with quality and materials used. E+ is USA-made.
it seems seller/dealer assumes you know you should do some thinkering/thightening/adjusting/rethreading and God know what else if you buy that cheap very low quality /comparing with USA-made E+/ shipped from China product.
As I said looks like it almost assumed customer should expect rough-made product and better be technical person with tools.

It always amuse me when not technical person expect Western quality from Chinese-brand /no Western brand name made in China/ product shipped from China.
HE grabs components of whatever in his hands and actually he expects them to fit exactely together.Not so fast he forgets he is 10-20 years back in Soviet-style metalurgy manufacturing times.

I know what wre you going to say - almost everthing is made in China, but 50% of it is made in Western-owned factories with Western manufacturing technologies where Chinese are closely watched and manufacturing robots are from the West.
Problem is another 50% - cottage, garage, sweat shop type , made money quick operations.
Example of made in USA , on my TForce rear wheel spokes were never touched by any tool, no need for 18,250 km wheel is true for over 18,000km /!!!!/.
MC
 
karma said:
golden motor Canada scam!!!

advertise new sell used parts covered in mud charged me $20 for a usb cable only to find it bent and wiring hanging out.
this has got to be the worst purchase ever. avoid at all cost :twisted:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhSe64SNSE8


cheers
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Hello,

Sorry to hear of this. I assure you it is not used. The area I store my products is in the process of being a converted from a woodworking shop to a Bike shop. Actually it’s a bit of both and has been for a while. Because of this space is very limited and things do get a little messy if containers of product are left open. If the controller is dirty it is most likely sawdust, but if it is mud then it could be from testing bikes on the street in bad weather and retesting them indoors. Sometimes mud does fly off the wheels. If you are unsatisfied with the product send it back to me and ill refund your money or send you another. Whatever you decide.

Enjoy the ride!
Gary
 
karma said:
thanks for phoning me. and clearing it up. :wink:

it was the mud on the unit that set me off. or the usb cable. anyway offered to replace the unit so its all good. :D
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I watched your video and I do understand your concerns. I made a short video myself. Hopefully this will resolve your concerns. I am not out to deceive anyone. I run an honest business and take care of my customers. Please test it out, i'm sure it all works fine. If you still desire refund or replacement I will take care of it imediatly. Please take a look.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKGg1ROr1rY

Let me know what you decide.

Gary
 
Just to chime in, Gary is your route to sanity when dealing with Golden Motor, managed to get me a wheel really quick when I needed it and was just starting out. Would have been months had I gone the China Golden Motor way. Best to go through him when ordering these kits.
 
Sorry Gary but i do not agree with your process here...

Controllers have to be put in a box to ship them so why put them int a box all together and trash, scratch, and ding them before they even get to the customer .. not only that but by having them all together like that bouncing around everytime you move the bin, the pins are getting flexed and bent, this canot be a good thing in the long run. And the space savings canot be that great.. i recommend leaving them in their boxes !

the USB connectors, perfect example of what everyone has come to expect from GM, does it work ?.. if yes then ok, but regardless, nobody wants wires sticking out like that with bent usb tabs all loosie loo, this shows a complete lack of pride in one's product.. GM has been around long enough to be capable of producing a better product, but they still dont bother.

You do seem like you intend to make a solid effort, i give you credit there, and i encourage you to try and improve the product.. but for the last 5 years i've been involved in ebikes, GM has proven time and time again that it's all about the dollar and quality comes last.

I'd love to get my hands on a magic pie, but my expectations.... well....
 
Ypedal said:
Sorry Gary but i do not agree with your process here...

Controllers have to be put in a box to ship them so why put them int a box all together and trash, scratch, and ding them before they even get to the customer .. not only that but by having them all together like that bouncing around everytime you move the bin, the pins are getting flexed and bent, this canot be a good thing in the long run. And the space savings canot be that great.. i recommend leaving them in their boxes !

the USB connectors, perfect example of what everyone has come to expect from GM, does it work ?.. if yes then ok, but regardless, nobody wants wires sticking out like that with bent usb tabs all loosie loo, this shows a complete lack of pride in one's product.. GM has been around long enough to be capable of producing a better product, but they still dont bother.

You do seem like you intend to make a solid effort, i give you credit there, and i encourage you to try and improve the product.. but for the last 5 years i've been involved in ebikes, GM has proven time and time again that it's all about the dollar and quality comes last.

I'd love to get my hands on a magic pie, but my expectations.... well....
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I do have to aggre with the fact the controllers could get marked up. But the pins getting bent is pretty unlikly. If you ever had a gm controller in your hand you would see they are alot stronger then that. I guess I should have mentioned sometimes they come in a box other times they are just packed around other items in a shipment. So some are in boxes and some not. Anyway Im going to pick up some bubble wrap bags for the controllers and store them in those. This has been an awakening to something I never really thought about before. I certainly will be improving my storage methods.

As for the USB cables, I am not happy with the apperance either. Really it all comes down to them stripping to much skin off the wire when making them. If the left another 1/4 inch of the wire unstripped there would be no issue. The quality of the product is ruined by the apperance. Hopefully things will improve over time.

If you are looking for a Pie I could certinly take care of that. If you had any issues I am on your team. But alas, I am not here to sell product. I am here to right what is wrong.

Thank you for your comments.
Gary
 
Spacey said:
Just to chime in, Gary is your route to sanity when dealing with Golden Motor, managed to get me a wheel really quick when I needed it and was just starting out. Would have been months had I gone the China Golden Motor way. Best to go through him when ordering these kits.
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Thanks for that Spacey, You never hear many comments when you do well, only when you screw up! Oh well, at least I'm here and not trying to hide from anything :)

Gary
 
Ypedal said:
Gromets ! bag of 10 for pennies in bulk..

And i'm sure the metal usb tab can be secured inside the shell in such a way to appear straight and remain solid.. Got Glue ?
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Hey thats a pretty good idea! This is why I love forums. Sometimes the most obvious things needed to be pointed out to me :) Of couse it would have to be able to be added without dissasembling the unit and it looks like it can be split. I dont want to be opening and modifying anything, next thing you know people will say "used parts! looks like mine was opened and repaired!" Ill have to look around locally to see if I can find such things. This is a much better idea then the black goop ( almost like black caulking ) that they use now.

Gary
 
karma said:
hey thanks for the vid Gary. no need for a return if there all like that :shock:

i guess ill need to diy that usb cable see if i can fix it before it fails.

not you. but gm really need to have better quality control. there products look used. or refurbished.

thanks

cheers :wink:
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Thanks for that. Glad we could resolve the issue. If you want to pretty up that USB cable please feel free to try. If you screw it up ill send you another no charge. It could be an eye opener to see what is inside and how it can be improved.

Once again thank you for your understanding.

Enjoy the Ride!
Gary
 
MudMomMerry said:
We bought an Amped Bikes kit for our daughter who is 14. When it arrived the front wheel made a clicking noise. After some runaround with the owner (I think his name is Danny), which took far too long considering what the problem was, he told us we had to go to a bike shop and buy a wrench and tighten the spokes on the wheel. This seemed pretty lame when he should have done that before he sent it to us, but anyway we go to the store and buy a wrench, and it turns out that the wrenches they sell at the bike store don't even work on this wheel. The spokes are actually motorcycle spokes! So we had to go to a motorcycle shop clear across town and buy this special wrench to adjust this silly wheel that should have been tightened before it ever got shipped. Every spoke on it was loose. I guess he just gets the parts and doesn't even check them. We won't be doing business with him again.
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I too have the Amped Bikes kit with the front wheel direct drive hub with the same clicking spokes. I could reach down and grab a handful of spokes and make them flex with some pressure but I also noticed that each spoke had the same amount of looseness. So I used my 6" adjustable wrench and tightened each spoke a half a turn. Not the most scientific method but the wheel is still true and I have no more clicking. I have a few hundred miles on this hub and it's been great so far. From what I understand it's a 9x7 hub which means 7 turns of wire for each coil, right?
 
I broke three spokes and was told loose spokes break and if you break more then 3 it my be a complete problem. Is ther a rule that cames close to that ?
 
Well, if you break four in the wrong spots at the same time, you can taco a wheel. ;) That's about the only "rule" I can think of, based on my own experiences in years past. (previous to ebikes)
 
I've got to say it, it's just not fair to other buyers of DIY kit not to:

Evassemble.com just DO NOT BOTHER!

Totally unreliable, shoddy battery products....will cost you an extra £15 in parts and a couple of hours to make right the crappy and unsafe wiring, I mean like the sensor wires that are twisted on to a washer and then taped on? They just pull off with no force at all.

The countless BMS that I have bought from them that just do not work, (funny how the other makes of BMS just worked instantly, I mean 6 BMS from Evassemble can not be down to user error!).

The lack of ANY help with wiring diagrams.

The lack of email response when a problem occurs (and they do occur), even after spending a few thousand £ with them no emails back when there is a problem, funny though how they email potential buyers back over the same period of time.

I could go on, but they just suck big time. It has been a good experience for me on how to NOT treat my UK customers when I get the shop up and running. People like Ebikes.ca and the US distributor for Magic Pie are what the industry needs not a box shifting muppet like Michael at Evassemble.com.

In the middle of a paypal dispute over the BMS as are a few others on here. Sorry Michael, but it's been 3 weeks since you last emailed....nothing heard from you on the subject.

You have been warned. :evil:
 
Spacey said:
I've got to say it, it's just not fair to other buyers of DIY kit not to:

Evassemble.com
Hello Spacey,
We have ever sold you battery pack and bms.
I think you can find long time ago, we have email you the instrument of capacity bms.
But however, Before you make everything clear, you have capacity bms connection as per struture as bms in eva battery pack. That's your fault. I'm afraid till now you may still not notice, they are in difference connection since they are quite similar.(one is 0 1 2 3 4 5 6... when the other is .....6 5 4 3 2 1 in bus connector of sensor wires) I think I have told you this thing very clearly when you tell me you copy the EVA battery pack and consider you dont make mistake.

Copy a different thing will be sure make thing not work. That's not our responsibility that you should know.
You should only follow the official instrument and avoid using any reference data or sample which may cause problem as you meet.

Thanks.
Michael
EV ASSEMBLE
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Michael, dude re read ALL MY EMAILS where I ask you for help, I ask you to CHECK my wiring diagram.

Read through your sent emails where you just say "wiring is different with capacitor BMS" then read my emails which basically ask lots and lots of time for the wiring diagram that you did NOT supply!

I even wrote in the most basic way possible 3 times to you how I wired up the BMS! I will post here for you again copied directly from my emails. Every time I ask you said stuff like "it is wired differently"....oh great help....how about you actually read my emails and say if my wiring was correct or not! Read below and CONFIRM if I am wrong or correct:



Below is one of many emails to Michael asking for wiring diagram

The AE-LMD17 REV A1 16 cell BMS balanced the pack fine whilst charging, although the highest cell hit 4.1v for a long time!

But.....It does not bloody work!! Â It worked for about 6 mins then not even enough power to light the Cycle Analyst. Voltage on "OUT-" is 51.7volts but voltage from battery is 53.8Volts, but if you attach any load to the "OUT-" on the BMS it just turns off!

I have wired the cells as below: Have checked volts on BMS Sensor wire from 0 to 16.

BMS Sensor 0: is wired to Cell 1 Negative
BMS Sensor 1: is wired to Cell 1 Positive 3.3V
BMS Sensor 2: is wired to Cell 2 Positive 6.6V
BMS Sensor 3: is wired to Cell 3 Positive 9.9V
BMS Sensor 4: is wired to Cell 4 Positive 13.2V.......

all the way up to ......

BMS Sensor 16: is wired to Cell 16 Positive 53.8Volts

Is the above the Correct wiring because something is not correct!

B- on the BMS is wired to Battery Pack Negative (Cell 1)
OUT- on the BMS is wired to Negative Load/controller out i.e Infineon controller
P- on the BMS is wired to Negative Charge in from Charger

What am I doing wrong? This is the 3rd BMS to go bad, the first two are AE-LBB16 REV A1 they do exactly the same!

The BMS from my Headway pack works just fine so does my Ping Signal Lab BMS, what is wrong with these 3 BMS's. Unless I have done something wrong I will be sending them back.

The capacitor BMS worked for a few mins, disconnectedÂthe controller (BMS still all wired up) then reconnected controller and nothing. There is a 2Volt difference between "OUT-" and "B-"

Please check that my connections are correct.
 
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