Mechanical Failures at High Speed?

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I've been morbidly curious about what would happen if while riding something broke, like say, a pedal, the throttle, or seat snapped off.

I'm not interested in accidents as a result of driver error, road conditions etc (well, i am, but not for this thread), only accidents or near accidents caused by something breaking, sheering, etc.

Did your front motor jump out of the fork and send you flying?

What happened? Please share your story.

*Edited title from "Top" Speed to "High" Speed
 
HI GC,

One time with my electric motocross rear wheel start to wobble when I was trying to accelerate from 50 Km/h to reach top speed (90 Km/h).

I was able to stop without any behaviour and I was quit to push the electric ebike to my home but with motocross boot is not fun to walk at all, I was lucky because I was only 6 Km away from it.

With a fast inspection I realize that my right bearings on the rear hub was completely destroy. After that I have changed all bearings for heavy duty sealed industrial bearings on both hubs.

Most of the time our Hub motor came with cheap Chinese bearing (sorry to say this but is a simple fact) and can be a cause of mechanical failure and it can be very dangerous for users with high power ebike.

Good day!
Black Arrow
 
A friend down the street on his $8k+ carbon fiber raceing bike comming down a hill lost his front tire, causing him to tumble- ended up with a broken hip bone, might have totaled the bike frame, and wheels. His bike was set up to have the lightest weight everything, the tires look like they have a rubber film on them instead of a tread.

What I was told, always put the best tire on the front wheel, when haveing a blow out or the like, don't hit the front brakes ride it out the best you can using the rear brake sparingly.
 
my first front hub ebike 2005, had spun out at 15 miles an hr,im sure it broke loose before that but i was using a front wald fender and brace.it saved me from eating pavement,the fender strut kept the motor from running away.i did have a vbrake get eaten by spokes going 25 miles an hr,but that was user error,i forgot a washer on my brake pad.
 
I refer you to methods video of his 2wd 20kw bike snapping the front drop outs: http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12356&hilit=20kw+2wd&start=15

He lives, but its fun to watch anyway:D
 
The real question is how many can't post about their high speed ebike mechanical failure because they're dead.

I've had none so far, knock on wood. The closest I've come was noticing a new squeak at the front of my bike, so I took it very easy getting home. Sure enough the squeak was from a crack in the headset, which I immediately repaired and added a lot of extra strength over the original. Had the frame been aluminum instead of steel, I have no doubt there would have been no advanced warning, and the failure would have been catastrophic.

John
 
John in CR writes:

"The real question is how many can't post about their high speed ebike mechanical failure because they're dead."

A sad but true point.

Many motorcyclists, including far more than a few world championship quality road racers, have been killed outright by a mechanical failure. This is not to mention those that have had their racing or riding careers ended by such failures.

Most avid motorcyclists have a very real "respect" for the following mechanical failures:

1. Tire failure at speed (rear = big trouble, front = forget it).

2. Engine failure at speed (this is just one reason why most MC riders keep a finger or two over the clutch lever at all times).

3. Brake failure at just about any speed.

4. Drive chain failure at speed ( which can, of course, lock up the drive wheel with catastrophic results).

5. Rim/wheel/suspension failure at speed (rare, but it does happen).

But then again, a friend and I took a pretty good "tumble" when the frame of the generic stingray sized bike we were "sharing" decided to snap in half at the bottom of a hill. This was, btw, due to an overloaded bike IMO.
 
FMB42 said:
3. Brake failure at just about any speed.

I had a brake failure on a coaster brake Schwinn at about 25 MPH down a hill. The outward+downward action of the kickstand combined with a determined back pedal of the crank arm resulted in the two getting stuck against each other. The incomplete back-pedal was just far enough to cause the gears in the two-speed hub to disengage, so instead of slowing down I perceived an ever so slight increase in speed. Talk about a mind*funk!

I had the choice of hitting the side of a car at an angle, or a curb and landscape mound covered with mulch. When I hit the curb, I took the gooseneck in the groin, the fork bent, the axle broke, the mangled front wheel was liberated and the bike eventually came down on top of me with the jagged axle a few inches from my eyeball. My head encountered no pavement, but I wouldn't be surprised if the abrupt deceleration against the ground caused brain damage.
 
Had a post mount rear rack loaded with a pingbattery break the seatpost off at about 20 mph on a dirt road. I was standing, riding trials style so I didn't have to extract any bike parts from my bum. So no crashing, just a hmmm, there goes my battery into the dirt moment. It got interesting though, trying to pedal home standing up, with a battery in one hand. Strangely hard to ride one handed if you can't sit. :)
 
When I was younger the rear tire on my 100cc Yamaha came off the rim at 65 miles per hour = max speed on these bikes. Everytime I put on the brake the rear would swing to the opposite side so I put down my cowboy boots (popular back then) and veiwed my life in slow motion. When I came to a stop my buddy came up behind me laughing his head off - I commented that this was a heck of a thing to do after experiencing this episode - he said the reason he was laughing was that both my boots were smoking - I looked down and the boots nails were so hot that the wooden heal had started to smoulder. Went out and bought myself the MOST EXPENSIVE tire. Never bought cheapies again.
 
40 years ago my front wheel fell out of the forks when I was riding off a curb, I did the famous bicycle "superman" imitation...still have the scars...

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First test on my bike I am building I was going down a 13% grade hill ~30mph with the brakes on and the cheap front tire blew (I now have marathons on it). I managed to ride to the bottom with light rear braking and stoped to walk it 1mi back to the house. I still need to replace the front wheel because it is not quite round.
 
I don't think a pedal failure or seat would be the worst thing possible as long as both don't happen at the same time.
I'm going to keep this thread in mind next time I want to try 50 mph down my favorite hill
 
FMB42 said:
Many motorcyclists, including far more than a few world championship quality road racers, have been killed outright by a mechanical failure. This is not to mention those that have had their racing or riding careers ended by such failures.

Like who for example John? Been following World Superbikes and MotoGP for many years
i can't recal a death caused by mechanical failure to a 'World Champion quality rider' just
accidents caused by rider error or un safe track conditions. Interested to see the data on this and what broke,
have you link please.

Front wheel failures are by far the most dangerous IMO im permantly in a wheelchair as a result
of a front tires failure at relatively low speed motorcycle(~70km/hr) I definately wouldn't recommend
using cheapo tires and/or rims/hubs on any bicycle let alone an e-bike which is possibly carrying more
weigh and power than its designed for. I cringe whenever i see a front frock motor on a cheap Wallymart bike
or simpler crap quality china made POS. I was just saying to Recumpence last night in PM how
amazed i am at nobody's been seriously injured or killed on an e-bike yet.

Use QUALITY components on your higher powered e-bikes fellas,
if you can't afford them wait till you can.... buy the best helmet you can afford
along with some decent gloves, these will likely be the first two body parts that hit the road first
take it from someone who has slid off on the road at speed, it can be extremely painful
after the fact for a looooong time if you have inadequate protection.

KiM
 
Mine is not at high speed, or even on an ebike, but it could have killed me anyway.

In late 2005, when I'd had the Columbia Comfort Bike (that eventually became DayGlo Avenger) for less than a month, I was riding to work, at perhaps 10-13MPH at most I'd guess. I'd just begun a left hand turn from the left turn lane of the road leading into Metrocenter's Metro Parkway when suddenly I was left holding handlebars that were no longer connected to the bike, and I could no longer steer. :shock:

I didn't have time to think, and I didn't have a reaction already trained into me for that one--I'd never even imagined it! I have had many loose stems over the years, for various reasons, but I've always been able to twist the bars with my weight on them just right and force the wheel to turn anyway, or to stay straight, etc., long enough to stop and fix it. This time, there was no way to do that.

THe weld had broken from the stem riser to the part that clamps to the bars themselves. The only things still connected were the brake and shifter cables; I think if I had not been so shocked I could've gently squeezed the brakes and slowed a lot before the crash, but I did not think of it (or anything, really).


I continued coasting at about the same full speed diagonally toward the sidewalk, went up a driveway-type ramp that goes to the canal path (where I had intended to go to) and then kept going diagonally across the sidewalk and down into a 4" deep gravelly "planter" area where there used to be trees years back. Less than a second later the front wheel (which was sliping and skewing already in teh gravel) hit the other side's 4" curb and the bike totally stopped, but of course I did not, and I couldn't even have held onto the bike if I had wanted to, as the only part that coudl've helped me was the bars I was still holding, if they'd still beeen attached. :(

So over the wheel I went, and all I remember is ground-sky-ground-sky a few times, then THUD and rollrollrollrollFLOP. I'd managed to tuck myself into a ball more or less before I hit, and as soon as I was slow enough I expanded out to stop the rest of it, but i still had landed on the point of my right shoulder, very nearly breaking it. If I'd landed any harder I'd've also hit my helmeted head, and certainly breaking my shoulder and/or collarbone. The jacket and shirts underneath were all torn thru at the impact point, and my hip on that side was badly bruised, pants torn, and both knees and elbows banged up.

I lay there a bit, waiting for the world to stop moving so fast, then the throbbing started. ONE car of ladies SLOWED DOWN just a little bit as they rounded the corner and yelled out "are you ok?" but they ddin't even stop or wait for an answer. :( Lots of traffic that time of day at that intersection, and despite me just laying there for so long, not a single person actually stopped to come see if I was dead. :(

I got up eventually and remembered I was on my way to work, so I limped up there but I couldn't actually do much work before being sent home as I could not handle the pain after a while.

Columbia replaced the stem no questions asked, once I hurt less enough to try contacting them. Was right arond this time of year, so it took until after the new years to get the part, IIRC. :(


I can't imagine how bad it could've been if this had happened on DGA as it is now, in traffic, at 20MPH. :( I might not have survived.
 
AussieJester said:
FMB42 said:
Like who for example John? Been following World Superbikes and MotoGP for many years i can't recal a death caused by mechanical failure to a 'World Champion quality rider' just
accidents caused by rider error or un safe track conditions. Interested to see the data on this and what broke,have you link please.KiM


Cal Rayborn, Moto GP rider, early '70s, Suzuki TR 500, engine failure.

Bill Ivy, (former 250cc World Champion Moto GP) late '60s, Jawa 350 engine failure.

Jimmy Adamo, World Superbikes, early '90s, Ducati, front brake failure.

Feel free to search for more data on these riders, if you wish.
 
FMB42 said:
AussieJester said:
FMB42 said:
Like who for example John? Been following World Superbikes and MotoGP for many years i can't recal a death caused by mechanical failure to a 'World Champion quality rider' just
accidents caused by rider error or un safe track conditions. Interested to see the data on this and what broke,have you link please.KiM


Cal Rayborn, Moto GP rider, early '70s, Suzuki TR 500, engine failure.

Bill Ivy, (former 250cc World Champion Moto GP) late '60s, Jawa 350 engine failure.

Jimmy Adamo, World Superbikes, early '90s, Ducati, front brake failure.

Feel free to search for more data on these riders, if you wish.


Thanks FMB42, couple of those a waaaay before my time thanks for the input. Jimmy Adamo, never heard of him and couldnt
find a great deal about his actual accident other than him hittin the wall at Daytona in 1993 Any idea what actually failed
in the brake system? ... Either way, not bad record as far as bike safety goes, the deaths in the 60-70's are somewhat understandable, the tech and metals back then was far from what it was in "modern" times.

Reminds me of Shoya Tomizawa death in MotoGP2 just last month, tragic...wasn't mechanical failure but the first death for sometime in in this high level of racing, in a support race to this class in Indianapolis this year Peter Lenz died, he was hit by another rider after falling from his own bike, another life cut short, Lenz was only 13 years old :-(

Thanks again mate

KiM
 
You're welcome Aussiej.

I'm not exactly sure what type of brake failure Jimmy suffered.

The careers of Cal, Bill, and Jimmy offer some very interesting reading, if you get the chance.

May these fine racers (and colorful human beings) rest in peace.

I apologize for the OT ramblings...
 
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