Motorcycle class Hub Motor

Mark,
One more thing. Might you post a Control Schematic that is "known to work" with this motor? What type of throttle, fuses, relays, BMS, Batteries (96v?), charging system, etc. that you either are going to use on this motor, or you know can be used? I would like to know what other items I need to purchase in order to get my wheel spinning successfully? Might you be offering a complete kit, as well, containing these items?
No Rush... I would rather not "Re-invent" the WHEEL's control system, if possible.
Thanks once more.
John
 
Nice. 8)
 
did they put the rim on the motor? ... now the spokes are crossed.... :)


it looks like there is not much space for the brakedisc and the calipper...
how much is the space from the disc to the motor? 30mm? or what kind of calipper do you use?

and what voltage will go with this motor??
 
!!Awesome!!

Now I found what I was looking for my "keep the mopeds alive - project" (see my avatar).

But Mark, as you are based in US > what about supplying Europe with your motor?
Will there be a chance to get them without sending them twice arround the world?

Thanks Sven
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RealPeterPan said:
!!Awesome!!

Now I found what I was looking for my "keep the mopeds alive - project" (see my avatar).

But Mark, as you are based in US > what about supplying Europe with your motor?
Will there be a chance to get them without sending them twice arround the world?

Thanks Sven
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No extra charge, The way it will work is; all product will come to the USA Hicksville, NY in bulk, Unpacked inspected and tested (believe me you really want me to inspect and test and fix errors). After the order is placed and deposit received, we will talk and I will design a custom torque arm and custom disc rotor mounting interface plate (customer provides or purchases at extra cost a disc rotor), all included in the price. Then the customer pays one shipping charge, with the cost of shipping depending on location. I will also provide support (but not parts at this time) for mounting a disc caliper. Every bike or scooter application is different and getting a proper torque arm and disc brake to work with your model bike is critical.

Mark
 
RoughRider asked:
did they put the rim on the motor? ... now the spokes are crossed.... :)

Yes


it looks like there is not much space for the brakedisc and the calipper...
how much is the space from the disc to the motor? 30mm? or what kind of calipper do you use?

with spacer plate as much room as needed for the caliper The caliper depends on the bike there are many aftermarket calipers you will need some skills at mounting the caliper, batteries and controller

and what voltage will go with this motor??
How fast do you want to go and what wheel size will you be using determines the voltage needed

RoughRider Please look at my web page for answers to many of the question you have had, thanks for the interest

Mark
 
Hello again is it time I cna give you some money Mark? :)

I have been working on my trike design and more and more it looks like this motor would be perfect :)

I second the previous question about a viable controller, perhaps a complete 96v kit.

In looking at the motor (and having very little understanding of spoked wheels) would the spokes wheel be able to withstand the side loads that would come from being the rear wheel on a reverse trike?

By the way, I am looking at a total weight of about 400 to 500 lbs with a frame something like this: http://media.photobucket.com/image/etrike/Fuoriserie/MEV%20ETRIKE/ETRIKE_SIDE1.jpg

and a body something like this: http://www.blueskydsn.com/
 
Oh, one other thing (sacrilidge alert) I will likely go with a small ice (about 5hp) in the rear of the trike running on a centrifigual clutch out to a sprocket on the wheel motor, it can accept a sprocket on the left side and a brake rotor on the right, right?

Thanks
 
todayican2 said:
Oh, one other thing (sacrilidge alert) I will likely go with a small ice (about 5hp) in the rear of the trike running on a centrifigual clutch out to a sprocket on the wheel motor, it can accept a sprocket on the left side and a brake rotor on the right, right?

Thanks
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Yes it will and you'll have a true hybrid. Been wanting to make a hybrid motorcycle just haven't got the time.

Mark
 
The hub motor for motorcycles has arrived for real.

Below is my bike with a 603 hub motor. I upped the tire to a 120/90 on a 18 inch rim to compensate for the lower RPM of the 603 vs the 602 I have been running

I only put in 10 miles, so testing has just begun but I have a lot of experience with the 602 (600 miles) and can tell all that the 603 with the bigger tire goes 55 to 60 with a 32 cell LIFEO4 battery but the off the line torque is awesome. The sacrifice in top speed for me is worth it, though I may add a few more cells in series to get the speed back.

As I said I only have 10 miles on the motor but heating does not seem to be a problem with this motor. I'm not claiming victory over the heating problem yet. I can say this motor runs much cooler than my old 602. Now I say old because I also have a new designed 602 yet to be tested.
Again the improvements are

Better Silicon steel and more of it
Proper slant angel of the lamination
30% more copper

So if testing over the next week holds up then it will be time to take deposits on orders for the wheels I'm excited this design seems to be the real deal but I'm tempered by the fact that I only put in 10 miles so far and I believe in testing and then more testing then inspection then testing and then start selling

Mark
 

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sounds very good...

i am crossing the fingers for you... :D

mark, can you explain the difference between the 602 and the 603 motor? why is the 603 spinning slower?

32cells, that means 102volts system...
 
RoughRider said:
sounds very good...

i am crossing the fingers for you... :D

mark, can you explain the difference between the 602 and the 603 motor? why is the 603 spinning slower?

32cells, that means 102volts system...
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602 is a two turn winding and the 603 is a 3 turn winding

I get 116 hot off the charger but after the surface charge is burned off its about 102 to 104 volts

I just got back from a 12 mile test run so here is some numbers

Watt-hours/miles 91 that is a huge improvement on this test course
the old 602 did 120 Watt-hours/miles before air cooling after 100 now 90 is very good and I drove her pretty hard so its probably better if I drove slower as I was doing with the old 602 to prevent overheating.

Here is another amazing number case or rotor temp after the ride (wait 5 to 10 minutes) 47C lowest temp measured after this course best I ever did in the past was 65C with the other designs.

More data to come, will be setting up the CA to stream data as I have done in the past.

Mark
 

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Hi,
I just wanted to confirm where is the proper place to get in on the first purchases... If we've entered our name and email at your web site is that sufficient? This is gonna go great in my 1967 Norton Atlas!
Triton
 
thats sounds very very good...

WOW near 20°C lower than with the old design...

AND

24% less enrgy consumption...


mark, how many motors(designs) have you build since starting with project?

have you done 60mph with the new motor at the last test?
 
tritonwow said:
Hi,
I just wanted to confirm where is the proper place to get in on the first purchases... If we've entered our name and email at your web site is that sufficient? This is gonna go great in my 1967 Norton Atlas!
Triton
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Yes, enter your name at the web site. I'm going to to a email newsletter tonight.

Mark
 
RoughRider said:
thats sounds very very good...

WOW near 20°C lower than with the old design...

AND

24% less enrgy consumption...


mark, how many motors(designs) have you build since starting with project?

have you done 60mph with the new motor at the last test?
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This is the third

With the 603 I just did 60 MPH, but no faster without some more volts. 602 testing to begin shortly.

Mark
 
Shoot. We had to enter our names on the website to get on the waiting list? I thought the ones of us that were following this since the beginning, and expressly showing our interest, were considered on the waiting list. I will go to the website now.
 
Jay64 said:
Shoot. We had to enter our names on the website to get on the waiting list? I thought the ones of us that were following this since the beginning, and expressly showing our interest, were considered on the waiting list. I will go to the website now.
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You all are on the list of course, just said that for the lurkers who don't write

Mark
 
I am publishing EnerTrac's first newsletter and information on how to buy a MHM-603 and MHM-602 Wheel

Mark
 

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Hello again Mark,
Can you tell me the major difference between the 602, and 603 motors? I hope to have my pay pal deposit in the mail next week however I would like to have some more specifics on the major differences between the two models that you are offering? Please put me on your mailing list for the updates and your news letters.
Thanks again for all of your hard work on this great offering.
Regards
John Head
 
johnhead@frontiernet.net said:
Hello again Mark,
Can you tell me the major difference between the 602, and 603 motors? I hope to have my pay pal deposit in the mail next week however I would like to have some more specifics on the major differences between the two models that you are offering? Please put me on your mailing list for the updates and your news letters.
Thanks again for all of your hard work on this great offering.
Regards
John Head
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Thanks,

The difference is the 602 is a 2 turn winding and the 603 is a 3 turn.
In theory the 602 is a higher speed lower torque motor while the 603
is higher torque lower speed. I say in theory because the tire size
then acts like a gear ratio. If you go with a bigger tire on the 603
it can have the same speed as a 602 with a smaller tire.

But in practice the 603 even with a bigger 18 inch tire (120/90) is a little
slower but has a lot of torque.

If speed is your interest, your using a small 18 inch tire and you have lots of current go with a 602.
If you want to jump off the line and have lots of voltage go with a
603 if you got a heavy bike (over 400 pounds) go with a 603 motor

I know the answer isn't cut and dry or black and white. But if you go with
a 603 and have room for a big tire and can do over 96 volts you'll be very happy.

Mark
 
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