Motorino motor upgrade?

[wadj]

Hi there,

I just bought a new Motorino XPR (500W motor) directly from the manufacturer (good discount). http://motorino.ca/motorinoxpr.php

As I've read in other threads, I'm getting the same speed, 42km/h with the speed governor removed.

Now I'm looking to get more speed out of it and range is ok, but if it can be increased then so be it.

-Could you guys suggest me which parts would I need to replace the motor and electronic to support it?
-Is it something I can do myself?

I really love this video, 150km/h that's impressive!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m_mUtoEC5Q&list=UUggCarWclCD5OdPPmO7lTUw

 

[mistercrash]

Welcome to the forums wadj.

What's your budget?
What top speed are you looking for?
What range are you looking for?
What's the scooter for, commute and errands or just playing with on the weekends?
Where are you from?
What's the weight of the scooter without batteries?
What's your weight?
And finally, the most important, what's your budget?
:lol:

 

[Laserman]

Also in the user control panel settings if put where you are we can possible help,with local info

 

[wadj]

Welcome to the forums wadj.

What's your budget? no restriction for the budget, I'd like to know the different options, I can either "try" to install it myself or just let the shop do that
What top speed are you looking for? top speed if possible 80km/h, it is to drive downtown but some streets like the bridges have higher speed limits so we can drive faster
What range are you looking for? range about 40 to 50kms range but anything 30+km is ok
What's the scooter for, commute and errands or just playing with on the weekends? strictly for city commute, to go to work and sometimes errands but very light, we already have 2 cars and bought the scooters to avoid paying for parking, avoid city traffic and save money on gas, plus it is actually fun to drive them
Where are you from? by the Canadian border / Washington state, in , Vancouver, BC, I can order parts from either Country
What's the weight of the scooter without batteries? according to the site 179lbs with batteries, and the batteries seem to be 60lbs but I've asked them to add an 1x extra battery so a few extra pounds http://motorino.ca/motorinoxpr.php
What's your weight? we have 2 scooters (same model), one driver is 140lbs and one is 200lbs
And finally, the most important, what's your budget? no restriction
:lol:

Hi! Thank you!

Also in the user control panel settings if put where you are we can possible help,with local info

alright, updated info as requested

 

[fechter]

Generally the only way to make it faster is to increase the battery voltage. Stock setup seems to be 48v lead-acid, which means the controller should be good for 60V max. If you added one more 12v battery in series, the nominal voltage would be 60v, but the peak voltage hot off the charger will be more like 75v, which might be enough to blow up something in the controller. Replacing or upgrading the controller may be quite a bit of work.

Another possible option is to get some better batteries (maybe wait until the stock set dies). With some high quality LiFePO4, like A123 cells or possibly Lipo or other lithium chemistry, you will have less voltage sag under load, which will boost the top speed a little. Reducing the battery weight and increasing the range would be side benefits. This could be quite expensive, but if you commute daily for years, the long-term cost may be less than lead-acid.

 

[mistercrash]

From my experience with my Motorino XPn, going over 40 km/h for 10 km on a hot Summer day will burn the hall sensors inside the motor. That is with a 260 pound man on the scooter. You could go farther before burning anything in the motor. Your 500 watt motor will run very well for a very long time if you keep the scooter stock at 48V. It will also do very well going with a Lithium battery with 51.8V nominal. You will get a top speed of just under 45 km/h.

If you want to go 80 km/h all day with that scooter, you'll need more than 10 times the wattage of the motor you have now, running on at least 74V with a controller to match your motor and battery. Something that pumps a lot of amps through the system to get 450 pounds of man and machine moving at a decent pace with traffic. At 80 km/h I'm guestimating something like 80 wh/km, so at least a 4kw/h battery to get a 50 km range.

I hope your budget is unlimited, because you will spend more than twice what you paid for the scooter to upgrade it.

The shop you bought from in Vancouver, don't they sell the GTx? You would end up saving money buying the GTx instead of making a motorcycle out of your XPr. Your XPr going 80 km/h is not an e-bike anymore, it's a motorcycle. A motorcycle that doesn't have a VIN so you can't license or insure it.

It can be done, absolutely it can, your XPr can go very fast if you want it to, you just won't be able to use it on the roads anymore. It just was not made to be a motorcycle in the first place.

EDIT: Plug in a GPS to your scooter to tell you the real max speed you have on 60V. I suspect that the speedometer of your XPr is not accurate at all.

 

[imorton]

Listen to what "MisterCrash" says, he knows, as he has been through all the steps, and if I recall correctly, he s back to 48v and good LifePo4 batteries.

IAN

 

[mistercrash]

I'm down to 16S of Lithium Manganese 18650 cells that I charge to 64V. My top speed is governed to obey the law (almost).

 

[imorton]

I'm down to 16S of Lithium Manganese 18650 cells that I charge to 64V. My top speed is governed to obey the law (almost).

And it probably runs good, and will run like that for a long long time.

I agree with the KISS method, keep it simple, because are u looking for performance or reliability….

 

[smileyoneme]

I can't imagine doing 150km on my XPn, I think it would fly apart.

 

[starlightkayak]

I've got an XPn as well, and a slight voltage upgrade. I ride about 40km distance per day (20km each way to work and back) on it. The thing about the Motorino stock motors I found out from an engineer who works on them routinely, is that they will actually do 1800W at 48V. That's why they're basically the best "stock e-scooter motor" out there right now. And I can confirm by reading my CA that I do sometimes pull 2500-3000W at 72V when I need the torque. Normally she stay around 1400-2000W during the commute and she's not gotten too hot yet.

Like mistercrash and others have wisely said, burnout aside, it's not street legal in Canada to exceed the 32km/hr cap. Best not to do it.

Legal caveat aside, HYPOTHETICALLY... I've learned that the trick to speed is really in using a 48V motor that can handle the higher current. If you were to get a 10" 48V (3000W or 4000W) high torque motor, and you run it with batteries at 60 or 72V, etc., and a controller with at least 40A+ at 60V or 72V, you'll go faster. Having said that, I'm sure a lot of folks here can tell you that it doesn't really feel that safe to go super fast on these e-scooter frames. Even the solid Motorinos. So I couldn't tell you I'd recommend it, either.