My Ebike got stolen today.

[set]

@ nomad and pwbset,

Are your x4 motors the new gen with the disc brake side? I have some bosch fatpacks here that I was going to build for a 72V setup. I definately want to do things insanely perfect this time. I'm thinking about doing a x406 with disk, and my fatpacks mounted on panniers on my hardtail. My goal is 81V @ 8.8AH. My only concern is if the 406 would handle the voltage and if it will do well on hill. Hopefully I wasn't too spoiled with my 5304 @ 55v.

I am definitely going to look into the dog GPS. I've always been against cell phones. I don't own one because I hate "chatting". I am going to have to get one now because from now on, I will have to go downstairs to escort my gf up. Just a precaution.

So yeah, I filed the police report. I do not think I will get the bike back but if there are more cops riding around, at least that might deter the crackheads. I mean, I don't particularly like the police but in this case, I'll keep it business. As long as they do their jobs, I would be satisfied. I mind my own business and I work hard to make an honest living. It just sucks that some lowlife would do this.

 

[dnmun]

set, you really needed to take the police down stairs to your dealers apartment and while they are there ask the guy who he had come over the night of your loss. the police are not gonna help you even if they find it since you don't have all the legal documents to prove it is yours so they will keep it if it turns up in a bust and just sell it at police auction. you have to have proof you owned it such as bill of sale and serial number, and then they will call maybe if it turns up in a bust of a theft ring, but not likely even then. that's just how police are. their job is to shoot people, not help you.

you really have to do it yourself, find the people who moved out and took your bike or make the guy downstairs tell you who took it. he may worry about getting busted so use that against him if you can, but you have to go get the bike back yourself, the police will not help, i can guarantee that.

maybe you can buy it back through him but they may figure you for a mark already so try to keep from paying more than $200-300. and expect them to try to steal it again.

i repeat, do not carry a weapon because if you use it in the heat of passion, the police will still arrest you for premeditation, since you would be carrying in pursuit of a specific aim and they would bust you for grand theft with added felony for using a weapon if you took your bike back that way. just the way the police work. they don't care if you say it was your bike. period.

 

[kentlim26]

in future if you are building a new bike, there are few very important things for you need to do for security.
1. Get a Canvas to cover up the whole bike
2. Get a 2 or 3 U- strong locks, lock them up
3. Get a Alarm to set it ON,

so the suitation will be abit different.

1. The thief open up the Canvas On your bike,
2. The loud alarm tigger very loudly 120db, shocks him Out,
3. Another thing shocks him too, 2 or 3 U - LOCKS, (how to open in few mins ?, and the alarm is sounding? )
4. most properly this thief will have run away.


the suitation will be different. Thiefs usually steal things often Acts very fast, usually under 10mins. he also given himself not to take too long for stealing, incase it will alert resident or people walking pass by. it is better to put precaction and spend some time on the security so you won't need to get worry about your bike where you park. Thiefs will steal things no matter what is the value of the bikes it has in it. try to park your bike at different places, park your bikes at some places are really difficult for thiefs to Do their work. If i can Lock my bike in the trees, i will do it !

kentlim

 

[pwbset]

Are your x4 motors the new gen with the disc brake side?

No disc sorry.

My goal is 81V @ 8.8AH. My only concern is if the 406 would handle the voltage and if it will do well on hill.

A 406 will handle the voltage just fine, but it will very likely go over the 60A fuses in the fatpacks unless you're removing those and hard wiring them all together. And assuming your controller can handle current like that. Plus at that voltage you're looking at insane speeds and really inefficient power usage at those speeds IMO and I doubt it would do well on hills. A 4011 @ 81v is going to be at it's peak efficiency nears it's top speed of 28-30mph and will use way less amperage to get there. If you want to go faster than that sustained on a mountain bike... well... good luck with that! Hope you have good health insurance! :wink:

Hopefully I wasn't too spoiled with my 5304 @ 55v.

No 4 series will ever feel like a 5304@55v no matter how much you over power it. So yeah... unfortunately you're spoiled. :wink:

You know it doesn't hurt to ask vendors like ebikes.ca etc. if they have an old 5 series laying around or "project" motors etc. That's how I got my older style symmetric 504 for just a little more than the cost of a new 4 series. I really like it because it barely cogs at all so is really easy to pedal against on the flats un-powered to save some juice.

There's also over powering the affordable 9 Conts setup.. I guess some people here are pumping insane power into them with good results so far. Time will tell.

Best of luck!

 

[spinningmagnets]

Concerning scribing a number onto an expensive device that is a potential thief target (LCD TV, E-bike, laptop, etc) I have been recommended to use a state name and drivers license number that is in a relatively hidden location. Even if you move to another state, if you have a current license number you can be tracked and notified by mail if the number on the stolen item was an old or current number.

Makes sense, if you commit a crime they can access a printout of every license/address you've ever had, regardless of state. BTW sweet find TylerDurden, on the dogtrax !! I have heard of home/car alarms that vibrate/alert an owner with a text message.

 

[12p3phPMDC]

Set,

I understand why you are pissed off, but try not to let vengence consume you.
I lost part of a finger in a fight and the need for vengence proceeded to consume me until that was
all I could think about. I understand the anger, just don't go do something so stupid out of anger that
it makes the bike look like chump change in retrospect.

proactive, preventative thinking is the way to go...!

 

[needWheels]

Fechter ! when is your web-catalogue coming out with the Fech-You 3000 GPS tracking anti-theft controller?

$80 usd @Costco:
http://www.dogtracs.com/product.asp

Wow that is interesting. It's essentially a cellphone without a screen but it requires a service contract:

Each DogTracs device requires a service plan with a 12 month commitment that can be purchased with either an annual or monthly billing option on the DogTracs website. You will need to purchase the service once you receive the device. Included with your device will be activation instructions and a promo code to receive your Costco service plan discount.

 

[TylerDurden]

It's essentially a cellphone without a screen but it requires a service contract

Q: Does the DogTracsTM device require a service plan in order to operate the DogTracsTM system?

A: Yes. Each DogTracsTM device requires a separate service plan that includes wireless communications service allowing the device to communicate with the DogTracsTM Control Center. DogTracsTM offers one service plan:
Prepaid Annual Plan - $149.99 ( approximately $12.50 per month)

http://www.dogtracs.com/dog-tracking-faqs.asp

 

[TylerDurden]

@ Set:

Renter's insurance may cover the loss (if you have it).

 

[nomad85]

@ nomad and pwbset,

Are your x4 motors the new gen with the disc brake side? I have some bosch fatpacks here that I was going to build for a 72V setup. I definately want to do things insanely perfect this time. I'm thinking about doing a x406 with disk, and my fatpacks mounted on panniers on my hardtail. My goal is 81V @ 8.8AH. My only concern is if the 406 would handle the voltage and if it will do well on hill. Hopefully I wasn't too spoiled with my 5304 @ 55v.

I am definitely going to look into the dog GPS. I've always been against cell phones. I don't own one because I hate "chatting". I am going to have to get one now because from now on, I will have to go downstairs to escort my gf up. Just a precaution.

So yeah, I filed the police report. I do not think I will get the bike back but if there are more cops riding around, at least that might deter the crackheads. I mean, I don't particularly like the police but in this case, I'll keep it business. As long as they do their jobs, I would be satisfied. I mind my own business and I work hard to make an honest living. It just sucks that some lowlife would do this.

Mine isnt a disk drake version either(v-brakes are plenty good for the rear, the front is where the main braking power is)I wanted a 406 too, but I got talked out of it, the 406 would suck on hills, and you wont get very good range, they are amp hungry, fast though. A 407@48=60v would be sufficient for most people with a need for speed, and like pwbset said his 411 would be smokin at 80v. My 407 has some damage to the non drive side axle threads, it requires a bit of work to get it tightened up right, I used a torque arm and never had a problem, but considering that I would let it go very cheap. Might be better to get a cheap used kit and save up to replace what you lost. Whatever you do get a mini ulock(harder to break open) and use it all the time. I have a onguard mini bulldog and its worked great so far.

 

[needWheels]

Oh and be sure to enter the ebikekit giveaway, maybe good luck will balance out your bad luck!

 

[philf]

I don't want to diminish the sense of loss (VIOLATION, in fact, given the location) that set feels over this... I know how *I* would feel, and reflecting on the ire this brings me is as close as I care to get to set's reality. Stealing baubles that a "consumer" with disposable income can easily replace is one level of wrong. Stealing the result of one's work - one's TIME - adds a whole other dimension.

Gun training leaves me cold (OK, I'm Canadian with English roots). BUT! The notion of a device called the "Fech You"... I can't say that today's society would live with the legal angle, but the name does remind me of a device I built back-in-the-day using a 555 timer driving a transformer not unlike an automotive ignition coil.

Shocking...

...with, unfortunately, possible lethal consequences if the wrong person makes contact - or forms a weird ground path. Could be seen as free cardioversion for a would-be thief with arrhythmia, though...

 

[pwbset]

Shocking...

Heh... I live near Glacier National Park and have often thought of building a rather "shocking" bear deterrent since guns aren't allowed in the park and since bears, arguably, dig "bear spray" anyway. Might be a statistically irrational fear I have, but it keeps me doing quite a few fun hikes.

I've often wondered what kind of current I'd need though to get through all that hair and bad attitude. 1.21 gigawatts!

 

[set]

set, you really needed to take the police down stairs to your dealers apartment and while they are there ask the guy who he had come over the night of your loss. the police are not gonna help you even if they find it since you don't have all the legal documents to prove it is yours so they will keep it if it turns up in a bust and just sell it at police auction. you have to have proof you owned it such as bill of sale and serial number, and then they will call maybe if it turns up in a bust of a theft ring, but not likely even then. that's just how police are. their job is to shoot people, not help you.

you really have to do it yourself, find the people who moved out and took your bike or make the guy downstairs tell you who took it. he may worry about getting busted so use that against him if you can, but you have to go get the bike back yourself, the police will not help, i can guarantee that.

maybe you can buy it back through him but they may figure you for a mark already so try to keep from paying more than $200-300. and expect them to try to steal it again.

i repeat, do not carry a weapon because if you use it in the heat of passion, the police will still arrest you for premeditation, since you would be carrying in pursuit of a specific aim and they would bust you for grand theft with added felony for using a weapon if you took your bike back that way. just the way the police work. they don't care if you say it was your bike. period.

Sounds like a good idea on paper but I really do mean it when I say that this neighborhood is shaddy. If I get caught "snitching" I would be a marked man. I can imagine the price on my head if I busted "Crackhead Joe's" supplier. If vengeance is the path I take, I would plan ahead. Not going to say anything incriminating here. I get you though. I have to do this for dolo. The Police have been to this house before. Crackheads knocked down the door to the first floor and the police had to come. They don't care. Took down a description and off they went. I am not exaggerating when I say that. The main HQ of the city police is less than a mile away and there is a substation a few blocks away. If they really wanted to bust these drug dealers/addicts, they would've done so. I won't get into this too much. Sounds like it will get into politics.

@needwheels,
Ha thanks. I've already entered the contest about a month ago. My fingers and toes are crossed. My eyes too LOL.

Nomad,
I will definitely get a ulock for my next build. It's always nice having 2 locks. If I were a would be thief and I saw one braided chain lock, I'd probably think, "Hmm how long would it take me to jack that bike?" If I saw two locks I'd probably think, "EFFF that, I'll find another bike to steal." I think having 2 locks has a psychological affect on would-be thieves.

12p3phPMDC,
Sorry to hear about the finger. I hear you about prevention. I am usually a cautious and prepared person. I love trekking and having a backpack with all my gear. Leatherman, Camelbak, extra water bottle, snacks, fire starters, etc. In this situation, I think I was a victim of bad luck. This isn't going to hold me down. Maybe in a few, I will be posting about my next build.


TylerDurden,
I don't have renter's insurance. I will ask if the landlord has some type of insurance.


@ everyone,
I think some of you guys misunderstood my reasoning for getting/wanting a gun. I want to be prepared. I am not looking to "get" the guy that stole my bike. It's the same reason I carry my knife for edc and secondary tactical. I have it so if I need it, it will be there for me. I'd rather be prepared than be a statistic. Plus, it's my Constitutional right to own one. Not trying to take this into a gun debate, I will leave it at that. That Saturday, I didn't just lose my ebike. I lost my sense of security. My security and privacy is something I value and I will be wise to protect it.

 

[set]

Yeah, it suckzorz. Probably those druggies. Try not to take it PERSONALLY. Think about it, if you saw a sweet rig, X-5 series, Ping 48V20Ah, dual-suspension Specialized S-Works Stumpjumper, just sitting there, don't tell me that you wouldn't feel the "impulse" to steal it. But you wouldn't. Then take a druggie who's mind has been picked apart by years of chemical and substance abuse, conscience smeared with dog poop, and sees an ebike that is unlocked, that is all it took.

It doesn't matter if it is a 5-series, a 4-series can still be very formidable.

The new controllers for the 4 series have FETs and CAPs rated for 100V.
You should be fine for that. Even if you went at 60V, that is around 42km/h which is still a very swift speed. You will give most roadies a run for their money. Even on my road bike, I only maintain around 35-40km/h for brief periods. The 4-series will be less draining on your batteries too, so that is a sorta win.

You just made me remember a seemingly useless even that happened that night. On the way to work, right as I get off to park/lock my bike at my usual spot, I ran over dog poop on my front wheel! Maybe that was a sign that I was going to get shitted on when I got home that night. lol. Yeah, that was not my day. Today was pretty good though. I calmed down a good bit.

 

[dnmun]

you have to see it for the way the police will roust you if you go after the people who took the bike with a weapon and you hurt them like they deserve.

hate to say it, but you should just go tell him you want it back and he knows who, or can find out who took it, you just pay him when it comes back, not before.

i had 2 eyewitnesses, they watched the guy carry my air tools and saws away, down to the beret on his head and the jacket he wore, a friend of a friend who needed some money so i paid him to help me when i put the roof on the garage. junkies.

police could not care less because there was no easy paper work for them, they would rather shoot someone so they can get off for a month on paid administrative leave. they always say the guy wanted to commit 'suicide by police' as though it is some medical condition that allows the police to shoot you for free.

tell your landlord to call too when you go ask the guy downstairs to find your bike, ask your landlord to call him and ask him to find it for you, a good landlord would want to call for you.

 

[set]

I've already confronted the guy downstairs. Although he says he doesn't know, I don't believe him. I can possibly use force, but then I would stoop to his level right? Kidnapping him and waterboarding has crossed my mind a few times.

Paying someone money for giving me back my own bike goes against every moral principle I have. I wouldn't do it. If I would, I would "offer" him the money, then when I see the bike, I would take it back, in exchange for me not beating the living shit out of the scumbag. MAtter of fact, I think I will do that.

 

[needWheels]

Oh if you actually find the person with the bike, ie. via craigslist, just play along, and offer to buy it and don't tell them it was yours originally. Then call police and let them take it from there. If you do it any other way, it will end badly. Police are only on your side if you play their game, you can't involve them after the fact and hope they will be on your side.