NEW QS 165 MOTOR

[owhite]

It depends how much power you're running, but you should definitely look up the power rating of a 8m belt at that width, I doubt it's capable of carrying the torque that these motors are capable of.

you make a good point (and your user name definitely checks out)

The motor is designed to be a drop in for the surron, which uses a two stage gearing system:

So I assume we have lower torque on the input side of that gear box, which is fine for that size pulley/belt, but it's not a good match for a direct drive system to back wheel.

This would be a compelling reason to lose the pulley and put on a metal sprocket. That would also allow to use smaller teeth so the back sprocket doesnt need to be as large as originally calculated with the existing belt drive.

 

[larsb]

i've used the QS 138 70h at 20kW on HTD-8 belt, 20mm wide, never gotten a slip. It'll work if you get one of the higher spec belt types and maintain correct tension.

look at synchroforce carbon as an option, 45kW :wink: there are others off course.

 

[owhite]

i've used the QS 138 70h at 20kW on HTD-8 belt, 20mm wide, never gotten a slip.

what are the specs of your gearing? Number of teeth on motor, and rear tire? Where did you get the pulley for the rear tire?

 

[larsb]

It’s in the rieju thread in my sig. I have forgotten the details since then.. :wink:

 

[Quinc]

Anyone get one? Looks like a drop in replacement for the Sur-ron.

 

[j bjork]

Anyone get one? Looks like a drop in replacement for the Sur-ron.

Really?

That looks very similar to a Sur-ron motor.

No kidding:

motor mounting bolt on for surron

:wink:

 

[Paulflieg]

Will be sold as Sur Ron Motor! So it will fit. But with 7 pairs of poles, therefore only for configurable controllers.

 

[owhite]

FYI, the aliexpress page said they can ship with sprockets, and I contacted them through aliexpress they said they will only be selling with belt drives for the first motors. From some of the pics it does not look like a spline shaft, but seems more like a threaded round shaft with keyway.

This MIGHT be a sprocket that will work: [LINK], and picture:

Chain Size 428
Teeth 11
Bore Diameter 20mm with 5mm key

What would be nice is to know if the QS165 has similar shaft, and then I'd lay down my money to get one.

 

[fechter]

It would be noisy as hell with that small sprocket. But it would probably work ok.

 

[owhite]

So I took the plunge and pre-ordered.

Cost is $235 for motor, $240 for shipping to US

Estimated delivery is early May, 2022.

Still hunting around for how to handle the sprocket.

 

[illegalbike]

https://aliexpress.ru/item/1005003835665401.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.3f0a3c009EDbIw&mp=1&_ga=2.247677952.646515224.1648188837-557704581.1645111989

The seller said that the sale of motors has begun

 

[owhite]

https://aliexpress.ru/item/1005003835665401.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.3f0a3c009EDbIw&mp=1&_ga=2.247677952.646515224.1648188837-557704581.1645111989

The seller said that the sale of motors has begun

Illegal -- what gearing do you think you'll use?

 

[illegalbike]

Illegal -- what gearing to you think you'll use?

First I will wait for the delivery and test the motor

I was informed that the motors are on the way

I'll take one apart and try to convert the encoder to hall sensors

 

[illegalbike]

the seller has a FarDriver controller for the encoder

 

[Quinc]

Will it work with the bac4000?

 

[owhite]

the seller has a FarDriver controller for the encoder

I was considering the FarDriver as well.The price seems reasonable.

 

[illegalbike]

A couple of engines were delivered today. If you have any questions, I will help

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[img="https://illegalbike.ru/uploads/for_web/qs165_wires.JPG"][/img]
[img="https://illegalbike.ru/uploads/for_web/qs165_weight.JPG"][/img]
[img="https://illegalbike.ru/uploads/for_web/qs165_repair.JPG"][/img]
[img="https://illegalbike.ru/uploads/for_web/qs165_motor_pole.gif"][/img]

 

[owhite]

Looks like it should be easy to put in hall sensors. Do you agree?

 

[larsb]

Should be relatively easy to replace the horseshoe with a hall board. hacksaw or 3d-print hall carrier with built in adjustment. Could be some loops to get the location right since it looks like there’s barely any space between all that copper

Motor looks good!

 

[bymannan]

A couple of engines were delivered today. If you have any questions, I will help

[img="https://illegalbike.ru/uploads/for_web/qs165_1.JPG"][/img]
[img="https://illegalbike.ru/uploads/for_web/qs165_2.JPG"][/img]
[img="https://illegalbike.ru/uploads/for_web/qs165_wires.JPG"][/img]
[img="https://illegalbike.ru/uploads/for_web/qs165_weight.JPG"][/img]
[img="https://illegalbike.ru/uploads/for_web/qs165_repair.JPG"][/img]
[img="https://illegalbike.ru/uploads/for_web/qs165_motor_pole.gif"][/img]

does not look like that encoder is water proofed, how's the general water proofing?

 

[illegalbike]

Disassembly of the QS165 motor, see what's inside

*english speaking friends please use subtitles

[youtube]Y2E8b5L-ons[/youtube]

 

[illegalbike]

does not look like that encoder is water proofed, how's the general water proofing?

watch the video, everything is fine

 

[bymannan]

Disassembly of the QS165 motor, see what's inside

[youtube]Y2E8b5L-ons[/youtube]

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[owhite]

Should be relatively easy to replace the horseshoe with a hall board. hacksaw or 3d-print hall carrier with built in adjustment. Could be some loops to get the location right since it looks like there’s barely any space between all that copper

larsb -- do you mean to replace the existing sensor at it's current location at the end of the shaft with a hall sensor? I'm asking because I thought hall sensors usually got embedded in the stators.

 

[SlowCo]

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Yes it does. If you can't see the gasket material squinting at a phone, try watching the video in HD on a bigger screen.