Ottawa ebike retailer"unprecedented breakthrough in battery"

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Seen here:
http://www.scooteretti.com/Battery_Technology.html

At Scooteretti, each one of our scooters comes standard with a unique electrolyte which gives our electric scooters an unprecedented breakthrough in battery technology. Our batteries are non corrosive, nontoxic, recyclable, maintenance free, longer lasting and substantially more environmentally friendly than traditional low cost lead acid batteries sold by other scooter manufactures and retailers.

Some of the negatives of using lead acid batteries are their high internal resistance, cold temperature sensitivity, moderate self discharge rates along with being substantially less friendly to our fragile environment.

The batteries used in our scooters can operate normally in extreme temperatures from -50 deg C to +60 deg C. Our batteries have a higher charge density per kilogram than traditional lead acid batteries, with up to twice the life making these batteries the most versatile high capacity, high current drain, medium cost and ecologically friendly batteries available today.

The owner of Scooteretti had a bit more info in some online posts:

Now like you, I was skeptical about the -50deg C as well. I have no lab or testing environment with these types of extreme temperatures to test the equipment independently. However, what I do know is that the manufacturers of these types of batteries have tested them thoroughly and they do indeed give a dramatic improvement in battery performance vs. SLA. I was also fortunate enough to speak with another retailer who resides in Scandinavia who also confirmed that his customers are very pleased with the performance of these batteries over the traditional SLA.

So in short our claim to -50 deg C is given to us by our supplier and being a reputable company I trust their claims. But more importantly we now have another option now that will give us the colder weather performance we are looking for. Over the past few weeks, we've had some colder weather conditions and I do see an improvement in overall performance vs. SLA batteries.

The true test will be to ride it in January and February. So stay tuned and I will report back!

and:

Our business model is to offer high quality products at an affordable price. With that being said if we do a side by side comparison of the batteries we use vs. traditional SLA batteries the test results show a significant improvement all around. In these side by side tests it was reported that the overall life was up to 2 times that of SLA batteries. Now I won't get into all the specifics and write up a white paper on this subject but there is a substantial improvement vs. any SLA (same size and output). Now what was reported is that no SLA tested came close to that of the battery technology we are using.

and (after some speculation the batteries might have trace amounts of cadmium):

Our batteries do not contain cadmium or any other banned materials and are a much safer alternative to SLA batteries. Our reputation is on the line here so selling anything that would be more hazardous to our customers or our environment would be unethical and against our beliefs.

So as my uncle the undertaker used to say, remains to be seen...
tks
L0cK

 

[Hillhater]

NiFe maybe ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel-iron_battery

 

[Gordo]

A snake oil saleman is a snake oil salesman. Same MO for 100's of years. They tell you everything but what you NEED to know. WTF is in the battery? "Patented" process etc. If so then the patent must describe the unique properties. A world beating "NEW" technology only in Ottawa. Wonderful.

 

[BatteryMooch]

My guess is that it's plain old Li-Ion. For a a scooter market used to Pb-Acid, Li-Ion is a huge jump up in technology.

 

[Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh]

Our batteries have a higher charge density per kilogram than traditional lead acid batteries,

true of just about all chemistries not consisting of lead.
i'm gonna have to look up if there even is anything with worse grav density than lead.

are they giving us the subliminal frog-finger??

 

[Lock]

The guy said they ARE lead-based... still no word on watt price premium he expects over SLA and of course no details about the secret sauce...

I thought he was talking about "lead crystal" batteries, like here:
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=23391

...but he wouldn't confirm that either...
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[BatteryMooch]

The guy said they ARE lead-based...
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Ahhh...missed that. Thanks.

 

[Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh]

me too.
how they can b made of lead without being toxic (and to a lesser extent non corrosive).

Our batteries are non corrosive, nontoxic, recyclable, maintenance free, longer lasting and substantially more environmentally friendly than traditional low cost lead acid batteries sold by other scooter manufactures and retailers.

 

[liveforphysics]

Did this guy just now discover LiFePO4?

 

[Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh]

nah, apparently is just a magic potion electrolyte for lead acid batteries.
sounds similar to deafscooter's sooper-secret custom sodium/sulfur formula.

Deafscooter still use AGM and SLA battery that handle lot amps on discharger to feeding the monster motor
doped fluid inside boiled acid cells give more more three time better than standard Agm or Sla Battery packs

 

[dogman dan]

Well, since ALL lead batteries are properly recycled in an EPA approved facility, lead is not harmfull,

If he hasn't found out about lithium, he needs to.

 

[nicobie]

Unless your battery performs better than lifepo4 or lipo (cheaper/lighter/kwh), I don't think too many here will be interested.

But who knows, Feb. is just right around the corner.

 

[liveforphysics]

If you want 3rd party testing of your battery, send me one. I have the tools to make it happen.

 

[Ypedal]

I would love some numbers...

like

- the " other " sla delivered X kms while our battery went Y kms

- the other weighs X Lbs.. ours weighs Y lbs

- Upon acceleration, in the coldest day available in ottawa, the scooter pulled X watts with X battery .. and our Y battery provided Y watts ( cold temperatures reduce performance, and voltage under load of the lesser battery will be less.. the better battery will provide more watts ) ..

all that can be done without giving any manufacturer information, or any special equipment.

Optima batteries are better than no-name old stock SLA's.. obviously.. but to your claims need some substance.

 

[dogman dan]

Respectfully suggest less confusing and vague ad copy in the future. Writing like a chinese ebayer doesn't help sell.

Impress us, and our favorable reviews can sell stuff for ya. Look how we support Ebikes-ca for instance.

Oh and btw, sell stuff on the for sale section. Have one of us review it, and we can post it in the review section.

 

[Lock]

On another forum, on December 7, Scooteretti wrote:

We offer battery replacements, so feel free to purchase a set to complete your in depth analysis. lol.....

and on the same day I replied:

Terrific Scooteretti! How much for a nominal 48V 20Ah pack FOB Ottawa? And would it be a drop-in replacement (form factor) for some of the "standard" scooter-style ebikes (Daymak, EMMO, Veloteq et al)?

There are folks here in Toronto that're riding through the winter...

We can hook `em up to a Watts Up and measure Whs in, Cycle Analyst to plot Wh/km consumed, GPS to plot trips on mapmyride.com, log pack temperatures...

Do these batts accept standard SLA chargers?

It'd be really good for you to have some independent real world test results...
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...no response yet.

On the Toronto ebikers forum there are many folks riding the scooter-style China-made ebikes that think nothing of riding around on 50lbs of SLA... Some of `em ride year `round too... I imagined a "group buy" where we share the cost on one pack and draw lots to select a guinea pig ebiker to test ride the pack over the winter months ahead.

Thought this might make a fun project for the group. Alternatively, I would be happy to recomment a couple of names of ES folks I know that have mad ebike skillz and ebike in the Great White North...

I'll guess too anybuddy involved would be happy to sign a NDA...

LocK

 

[Gordo]

When all a seller can tell you is what their product is not and how much better it is than X, forget it.
What utter BULLSHIT. Morons with a "secret" sauce, battery or whatever fail to realize that all products can be readily analyzed and the composition identified. There is no secret patented formula.
Once you have seen the layers of a security chip with "secret" architecture, acid etched while using photomicroscopy, a schematic drawn and a duplicate made, one wonders if there are an "secrets" left in the world.
When BSE imaging can use colloidal gold to pick a fingerprint off a tweed jacket, I think any battery technology is within our grasp. :lol:
I trust no one on ES is naive enough to waste their money on this fairy tale?
Lastly, unlike in the US where a rock can be sold as a fuel catalyst, you can double you mileage with a 12V hydrogen generator, or 100 other scams, this can not be done in Canada, without the seller providing independent scientific proof to back their claims. If I don't see some honest numbers from this wonder battery I will have the seller jumped on with both feet.

 

[neptronix]

If you want 3rd party testing of your battery, send me one. I have the tools to make it happen.

Scooteretti, take him up on this. Liveforphysics can provide you with some solid performance numbers if you are looking for some.

Also, i don't know how familiar you are with this forum but specs and facts are important here, sales pitches and fluffery are not. As far as we know you are basically talking about some high quality SLAs and nothing more.

Prove us wrong.