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[stancecoke]

I have bought two asi 855, these controller is perfect.

Setting up an ASI is a pain, if you don't know, what you are doing. There was a great knowledge base directly from ASI available online in former times, now all this information is only available for OEM customers with an ASI account.
I don't know, if there is a hack to get free access.
There are some open source projects, that describe the parameters, but this information is not useful for a newbie

 

[jpc6000]

I will ask to mine seller
I saw that everything available is, to modify for bafang motors.
it's an new controller for me.

Normally you can connect the asi controller, download the software.
Are their different bafang configurations, I don't know.
And if they don't give parameters for the different motors, then I send the controller back.

I found usb cable.

 

[jpc6000]

On the website to sell
Everything is included to get it configured via the official BACDoor Windows software, there isn’t built in bluetooth so the login credentials are not needed. I have also included the USB to Serial driver.

 

[stancecoke]

On the website to sell

I'm keen to get your feedback . Do you have a link to the offer you've buyed?

 

[TPEHAK]

Can't find it. Please give link.

The link is in the post. Maybe your web browser does not show it?

Here is the link again

Archon X1 Programming Thread (questions and experiences)

I played around a little bit and was finally able to connect via VESC Tool to my Innotrace X1! First I made connection using a simple USB to CAN adapter (e.g. canable) and tried to send common VESC CAN commands (VESC CAN-Bus Communication). I got no response and assumed it has been either...

forums.electricbikereview.com

Here are the links with files

Bafang M620 VESC Controller boards KiCAD files (Finished Release #1) (2025-05-07).7z

drive.google.com

Innotrace VESC Firmware Test 1.zip

drive.google.com

Innotrace VESC Firmware Test 2.zip

drive.google.com

 

[jpc6000]

ASI BAC855

The BAC855 is a high-performance sub-compact AC Motor Controller / Inverter and employs the latest in Field-Oriented Vector Control (FOC) and ASI’s proprietary adaptive Sensorless Motor Control Algorithm. ASI Controllers feature auto-tuning and can deliver up to 120% of a Motor’s rated maximum...

www.lightest.bike

Company from Italian. After two days arriving.

 

[stancecoke]

Company from Italian. After two days arriving

Hm, it must be an old system, for the recent PC BacDoor, you need an ASI account:

BACDoor®3 - User Guide - Technical Documentation

support.acceleratedsystems.com

Even the old version should not be used by end-users but only by experts, who know what they are doing

BACDoor® PC is designed to give users the complete ability to adjust all the controller parameters and functions directly from their computer. Due to the amount of low-level access to the controller this app gives, it is NOT provided to end-users.

 

[marty]

should not be used by end-users but only by experts, who know what they are doing

Could a end-user become a expert by learning how to control a controller?

If it smokes? You got a problem.

 

[stancecoke]

Could a end-user become a expert by learning how to control a controller

You would have to learn a lot about FOC control and peripheral signals like PAS, torque... , to understand, what is the meaning of each parameter. The problem is not magic smoke, as the ASI has many safety measures. The consequence of this measures is, that the controller will jump into fault mode easily, if you set something wrong. And you will despair to find a setting that doesn't end in the fault mode. I guess this is the reason, why ASI doesn't support end users any more.

 

[jpc6000]

I have no bacdoor software.
Start program up, ask for credentials.
Ask to asi, answering 500$ for one year, then 100$ an year for use of bacdoor software
And what documentation is there?

If the configuration for bafang is available, maybe.
Anyone know this software?
Or Crack? Or login code?
Then can test it.

Want the controller tested before I decide stay with grin or go further with asi?
Give asi help, or do they no answering like grin.

 

[jpc6000]

Found the software and cables.
Are there configuration for the bafang motors in the bacdoor software or need to start from scratch ?

 

[jpc6000]

Received the cable and software.
I saw that it's with coding xml files.

I saw xml file for bafang bbshd.
Not sure it works, because of different versions

So I start new thread about asi bac 855

I saw also vesc controllers, try first asi.

Program the controller looks the most challenging aspect for the controller. How to start?

Received bacdoor software but it's old version 1,
Have someone the new version.

I ask help or documentation on producers, no answering.
So terrible companies asi and grin technologies. Both Canada.

It's look like EU have to start to produce everything themselves.
Buth here also bad politics and stupid governments .
Can't start e-bike company, don't want to work for stupid politics.



Also Don't find bacdoor software on usenet.

Not Helping customers is the new world . And ai can't help me I think. Don't think you shall find happiness only with money.


Anybody have 3d info for made diy case for bac controller.

 

[jpc6000]

I have searched on German pedelec forum, and find some good information

Asi and phaserunner have the same source software
And the other is vesc.
Vesc is open source and asi bacdoor is closed

Flipsky vesc controller 80$ hopefully it's working a long time

Before bacdoor was open and now closed
All these different versions also make it very difficult
And information that are given is illegal
I think I say goodbye to Canada and is China that wins.

 

[TPEHAK]

Do you really need open source controller if the not open source controller allows you to change the parameters anyway? Do you know how to code?

 

[jpc6000]

Do you really need open source controller if the not open source controller allows you to change the parameters anyway? Do you know how to code?

I have 3 different motor models, I read that the parameters in the bac855 are
So I don't think that standard parameters will work. Different screens and so forth.
I send the asi controllers back, where they belong garbage.

And shall try vesc controllers cheaper, open source software, specific vesc forum and project website.
This asi and Canada project are for me past.

 

[ZeroEm]

Could a end-user become a expert by learning how to control a controller?

If it smokes? You got a problem.

Sure some can become experts Most can not. Find a setting you want to change, find out what it does, document the setting. make a change document the change and the result. If you change more than one at a time you will not learn and become an expert. Most can not do this.

 

[jpc6000]

Sure some can become experts Most can not. Find a setting you want to change, find out what it does, document the setting. make a change document the change and the result. If you change more than one at a time you will not learn and become an expert. Most can not do this.

When all information is differentiate and old and not accessible then you have a lot of work
Everything can be done, but need affordable

 

[jpc6000]

I saw these video about vesc, and everything you need to know for starting with vesc controllers

 

[jpc6000]

I saw controller software/firmware
First I thought it was like android structure,
But it is in lisp

Lisp (historically LISP, an abbreviation of "list processing") is a family of programming languages with a long history and a distinctive, fully parenthesized prefix notation.[3] Originally specified in the late 1950s, it is the second-oldest high-level programming language still in common use, after Fortran.[4][5] Lisp has changed since its early days, and many dialects have existed over its history. Today, the best-known general-purpose Lisp dialects are Common Lisp,

All vesc controllers work with lisp, I .

 

[stancecoke]

All vesc controllers work with lisp, I .

The VESC firmware itself is written in C.
Only user specific functions can be added by LISP scripts at runtime, without changing the basic firmware itself.
I never tried that, as I'm much more familiar with C

 

[jpc6000]

I bought two asi bac 855
After time I saw that it was a mistake
Want to send it back, seller don't want it back
To sell two asi bac 855 controllers
See in forum to sell

If anyone have credentials for asi bacdoor 3?

 

[qwerkus]

The main issue with vesc tinkering is that controller firmware and vesc-tool software have to match for full functionality. Some old firmware might work with newer vesc-tools, nut AFAIK not the other way around. So there is very little chance a code you might have written a few months ago will still work today. This means either you're constantly compiling stuff, or constantly downloading stuff, in which case the weird download page doesn't help (it looks like a commercial paywall at first). And even if you go the C way and compile your own stuff, you quickly realize how big the firmware has gotten, which means loosing a lot of time to compilation and flashing.
So the only real option for non-developpers is lispBM. To start, you need 3 things (apart from a working vesc setup):
- USE THE EXAMPLES BUILT IN THE LISP EDITOR. Seriously - saves a ton of time
- Keep the 2 reference pages at hand:

bldc/lispBM/lispBM/doc/lbmref.md at master · vedderb/bldc

The VESC motor control firmware. Contribute to vedderb/bldc development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

bldc/lispBM/README.md at master · vedderb/bldc

The VESC motor control firmware. Contribute to vedderb/bldc development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

(first one is general lispBM to learn the syntax, second one is vesc specific apis)
- Use the search function of discord in the vesc dev discord channel. Tons of scripts. Beware, it's not a beginner friendly place - only ask for help if you really know what you're doing.

Also, forget about llms like chatgtp. While it can help for a general structure, the output syntax is nearly always broken because it's classic lisp and not lispBM.