PingBattery eBay Store has been Attacked!

[pwbset]

At $1150 its not quite viable for me

There is definitely some Ping madness going on. Ping fever. For that kind of money you could build an extremely powerful lithium tool pack battery. You could get 10 Milwaukee packs for $970 shipped to your door and make a 56v13ah LiMn pack that would run circles around Ping's biggest pack. Wired up in 5p you could put out up to 75A+ no problem.

EDIT: Not to mention have a multi 1000 charge warranty. :lol:

 

[mrgardiner]

I have been looking at the LI packs as well. I would be much more comfortable going with a web store than Ebay. Good quality SLA/ AGM batteries seem to be over $500 to reach 48V and a decent Ah rating. I really like the feedback here on the ping batteries.

 

[Pete]

Don't let the lack of a web presence deter you, and don't bother with fleaBay. Just email Ping direct. There are plenty of satisfied customers who have made the leap of faith.

This forum is full of members who are brutally honest with positive and negative feedback so it is a pretty sure bet that *if* anybody ever has problems with a Ping transaction you will hear about it in very short order

 

[dogman dan]

A lot of us are bemused enough by a ping pack, let alone building a pack ourselves. Clearly the A123 cells are superior, and needed for high power bikes. For us boring, no modds commuters though, a battery from Li Ping is a very good , easy way to get long range and little hassle riding. As long as his email address is still the same, it won't matter to most of us what happens or what the price is on Ebay. Surely anothe year or so and we'll be able to go to the local hardware store and pick up Lifepo4 cells. What a lot of us would like to see is a bms equipped battery holder case that would make assembling a pack from round cells as easy as loading a flashlight. No doubt, folks like Ebikesca are allready on it. I'm curious what the direct sell price is on a battery from Li Ping today. When I bought the price I paid was way lower than the auction that week. Surely the new cells cost more if they are better, but I think A123's still cost more.

 

[pwbset]

What a lot of us would like to see is a bms equipped battery holder case that would make assembling a pack from round cells as easy as loading a flashlight.

That is indeed the holy grail.

I keep thinking back to Gary's stick packs... so ideal if there was an elegant way to charge/balance also. Get some raw Sony/Konion 26650VTs (where to find?) in those packs for 16.4v9.6ah sticks (no balancing needed apparently) and all you need is an elegant charging solution for quite a configurable setup. Listed as out of stock... wonder if Gary will get any more.

 

[MitchJi]

Hi,


I don't think you can block zero or low feedback buyers. If its possible and you know how to do it please post instructions.

When you create or list a new auction, there's a bunch of extra options that you could setup. I just did one while back to sell my Ezip - and some of these options includes minimum # of feedback, no negative, etc.

Hi,

I just started a new listing, these are the options:
Block buyers who:

• Don't have a PayPal account
  PayPal account holders have up to an 80% lower Unpaid Item rate.
  Have received 2-Unpaid item Strike(s) within 1...12 month(s)
  Are registered in countries to which I don't ship
  Have Policy violation report(s) within month(s)
  Have a feedback score equal to or lower than -1 (or -2 or -3)
  Have bid on or bought my items within the last 10 days and met my
  limit.

So not only you can't block bidders with no feedback you can't even block with a lifetime negative rating. The most restrictive option is -1 within the last 12 months.

 

[swbluto]

Hi,


I don't think you can block zero or low feedback buyers. If its possible and you know how to do it please post instructions.

I just started a new listing, these are the options:
Block buyers who:

• Don't have a PayPal account
  PayPal account holders have up to an 80% lower Unpaid Item rate.
  Have received 2-Unpaid item Strike(s) within 1...12 month(s)
  Are registered in countries to which I don't ship
  Have Policy violation report(s) within month(s)
  Have a feedback score equal to or lower than -1 (or -2 or -3)
  Have bid on or bought my items within the last 10 days and met my
  limit.

So not only you can't block bidders with no feedback you can't even block with a lifetime negative rating. The most restrictive option is -1 within the last 12 months.

See the last one? You can limit the "damage" from a single user by restricting the amount of items they can bid in the last 10 days to 1 AND another option appears that states "Only apply this block to buyers who have a feedback score equal to or lower than" and zero is offered as an option.

So, you can't automatically prevent zero bidders from bidding on a given auction, but you can prevent them from bidding on multiple auctions. And, of course, you can manually cancel bids and block bidders although I think there's a 12 hour limit to it so a seller might be screwed by one auction by a single zero feedback bidder. Now if someone went through the effort of creating a platoon of zero feedback bidders, then I guess you're out of your luck for a given set of auctions(assuming they were smart enough to bid within the last 12 hours).

 

[ping]

Hi everyone,

Thanks you so much for your suggestions and support. I cannot read every posts now because we're busy preparing for our own web store. Nevertheless, malicious bidders came again today. I think I know who she/he is from the beginning, but have no proof yet. But it's not important. She's just digging her own grave. eBay will close this farce soon.

Thanks again,

Ping

 

[pizark]

well, congrats. I guess this pretty much proves you're the top dog in the business. I am curious wu you suspect is doing this. I'm still saving up for one your packs, and wouldn't want anyone to scam-my future power provider.

pz

 

[dogman dan]

I think we cam guess who was maddest lately. Again, sorry if I made it worse with my stupid posts.

 

[jimmyg4life]

It looks like the fake bidders left an actual bidder in a bit of a spot. It appears that they ran his bid up to his maximum. The 48V 20AH pack is at $1150.00. That's the highest price I've seen for one of those.

They weren't all fake bidders :lol: I was bidding on that very pack and had my $1125.00 beat out by the $1150.00 bid That is when I thought I would settle for the 36v20ah pack that got held up in Louisville UPS and I am still pissed about it Thinking about getting the 48v12ah NiMH pack @ ebikes.ca It would be plenty for my 13mi commute but I know the Ping lifepo4 packs are a better value but the shipping fiasco got me gun shy.

 

[Pete]

Why are you getting wound up over the ebay auctions ? The general consensus has been to email Ping direct for a quote, which is usually quite a bit cheaper than the auctions, now that word has gotten out.

What was your shipping fiasco? If it was a paperwork or dangerous cargo issue then whoever is having a cry about it must also point you to the info that you need to comply with. Send that info direct to Ping and I am pretty sure he will bend over backwards to make sure his shipments comply with whatever beurocratic nonsense is required for entry to the destination country.

 

[marvingalaxy]

His issue was UPS jumping the gun on new lithium battery regulations and holding his package at the second-to-last distribution point. The new regs don't apply until Oct. 1st and they said they were going to destroy his pack last week. I have already read the new regulations (linked from UPS' site) and sent email to ping paraphrasing what is likely the regs for his packs. As far as I can tell, he must simply pack them so the terminals are insulated and so that the package can withstand a 1.2m drop test. Labeling the package as something like "cargo plane only" with hazardous manifest is also required. These more basic regulations apply to packages under 30 kilograms. It is less clear whether or not the individual cells used must have a testing report from the manufacturer. The problem they are trying to address is the fact that non-rechargeable lithium cells (they call them "lithium primary cells") can catch fire an not be extinguished by halon suppression systems. Of course, the original proposal the new regs are based upon is old and does not specifically account for LiFePO4 cells but they do have the individual cell testing exemption.

UPS will not ship lithium packs unless the shipper has a hazmat agreement with them. Hopefully, Ping will be able to get his account approved for hazmat after he shows his cells are safe and packaged correctly. I won't mind at all having my $1000+ package double-boxed to withstand a 1.2m drop without damage. Heck, I would want that anyway with or without regulations.