Price of Shipping Battery Packs Inside Europe?

rg12

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Would like to know the shipping price between countries inside Europe of fully built battery packs (not cells), let's say 15kg package...
 
You'd have to talk to your specific shipper, and check on the specific source / destination country/etc for their VAT and import duties.

That's assuming you already have your hazmat certification, which you'll almost certainly require for the shipper to even take your packages.
 
amberwolf said:
You'd have to talk to your specific shipper, and check on the specific source / destination country/etc for their VAT and import duties.

That's assuming you already have your hazmat certification, which you'll almost certainly require for the shipper to even take your packages.

I import alot of dangerous goods (cells) with all the paper work and hazmat certifications (usually from China to Israel) and understand that inside europe shipping cells is peanuts until you get to fully built packs so I would like to know from personal experience of people from different countries how it's done.
 
I know pack builders that use courier services, just gets driven in a private car.

I doubt they would bother with that if it so cheap and easy otherwise.
 
rg12 said:
amberwolf said:
You'd have to talk to your specific shipper, and check on the specific source / destination country/etc for their VAT and import duties.

That's assuming you already have your hazmat certification, which you'll almost certainly require for the shipper to even take your packages.

I import alot of dangerous goods (cells) with all the paper work and hazmat certifications (usually from China to Israel) and understand that inside europe shipping cells is peanuts until you get to fully built packs so I would like to know from personal experience of people from different countries how it's done.

I was reading up on the ligo packs and shipping. I read if they added a light to the pack they could call it a flashlight instead of a battery. different shipping rules. you might have to get creative?
 
Yes, including batteries with the other related components allows for less stringent rules.

But just tossing a 50¢ AA flashlight in with 40Ah prismatic cells would likely result in spoiling the party, abuse like that is why we can't have nice things.
 
You could claim it has a light, so its a flashlight but with a 48V20Ah battery
:wink:
:lol:
Just hope your insurance is cool with it and that your insurance rate isnt too big. Who really knows who covered and who's not. Gotta be only a handful of insurers to cover that, and how does Joe Public verify.
 
john61ct said:
I know pack builders that use courier services, just gets driven in a private car.

I doubt they would bother with that if it so cheap and easy otherwise.

Well, I don't know how shipping inside Europe usually works but isn't there a mail service for ground shipping (by postal vans/trucks)?
 
Sure, but each jurisdiction and/or carrier will have their hazmat regs as to what they will accept.

I know for larger Wh capacities in the states only private truck freight services are practical, maybe cost $3-400 for longer distances.

There are "gig economy" delivery websites where owner-drivers bid on the job, probably avoids most legalities
 
rg12 said:
Well, I don't know how shipping inside Europe usually works but isn't there a mail service for ground shipping (by postal vans/trucks)?

Lots of mail service for ground shipping. The big corps, then regional European corps that may serve 3 countries. Regional playah's might not work well if you gotta skip over a country or two for the regional playah's in the EU. Within the same city, a simple taxi works well, lots of people use that, even to take their children to school alone. But I've seen blood banks and organ banks use taxi's, from the airports private charter, but the medical side uses partnerships with plane companies too.

Small time players have to use the infrastructure already in place, DHL, UPS, FedEx and all other major playah's or regional mail corps. Heck, I bet you could even get private online classified ads to ship whatever you want. How much would you trust them though. There could be ads like, Going from Hamburg to Paris, people and cargo. Its not uncommon. Especially for Western Canada since Greyhound Bus Lines has stopped. Now regional players have filled the gap. One guy has a 12 passenger van, driving 90km from Calgary to Banff. I bet he'd do packages. Another company has a 50 passenger bus that travels the main major E/W highway, 1200km route. I bet they'd do packages. So look into bus services for Europe and see what they are doing. They always have space available.
 
markz said:
rg12 said:
Well, I don't know how shipping inside Europe usually works but isn't there a mail service for ground shipping (by postal vans/trucks)?

Lots of mail service for ground shipping. The big corps, then regional European corps that may serve 3 countries. Regional playah's might not work well if you gotta skip over a country or two for the regional playah's in the EU. Within the same city, a simple taxi works well, lots of people use that, even to take their children to school alone. But I've seen blood banks and organ banks use taxi's, from the airports private charter, but the medical side uses partnerships with plane companies too.

Small time players have to use the infrastructure already in place, DHL, UPS, FedEx and all other major playah's or regional mail corps. Heck, I bet you could even get private online classified ads to ship whatever you want. How much would you trust them though. There could be ads like, Going from Hamburg to Paris, people and cargo. Its not uncommon. Especially for Western Canada since Greyhound Bus Lines has stopped. Now regional players have filled the gap. One guy has a 12 passenger van, driving 90km from Calgary to Banff. I bet he'd do packages. Another company has a 50 passenger bus that travels the main major E/W highway, 1200km route. I bet they'd do packages. So look into bus services for Europe and see what they are doing. They always have space available.

Thanks mate! that's alot of helpful stuff!
 
rg12 said:
I import alot of dangerous goods (cells) with all the paper work and hazmat certifications (usually from China to Israel)

That doesn't have anything to do with *you* shipping stuff out. You yourself would have to be certified for it, and have your *own* paperwork, etc.
 
amberwolf said:
rg12 said:
I import alot of dangerous goods (cells) with all the paper work and hazmat certifications (usually from China to Israel)

That doesn't have anything to do with *you* shipping stuff out. You yourself would have to be certified for it, and have your *own* paperwork, etc.

Can only hope the battery sellers have legit battery insurance coverage, which is expensive. Then again, if the seller is in China, good luck. But when we're talking about sellers like GrinTech, thats why the batteries cost more money.
 
amberwolf said:
rg12 said:
I import alot of dangerous goods (cells) with all the paper work and hazmat certifications (usually from China to Israel)

That doesn't have anything to do with *you* shipping stuff out. You yourself would have to be certified for it, and have your *own* paperwork, etc.

I rather use a forwarder that has those permits/licenses...

So you guys are saying that shipping a pack inside Europe can cost like $600?
Also, I read somewhere that you can't ship packs over 10kg, is that right?
 
Both factors will depend completely on the jurisdiction , originating more so than destination, but most of all on the carrier

and just how "law abiding" you and they want to be

and finally any insurance concerns.

Not a straightforward question

 
rg12 said:
I rather use a forwarder that has those permits/licenses...
Then to find out any of the info you need for certain, you must contact that forwarder.

Nobody else can tell you except the actual shipper / forwarder what you have to do and what the costs will be, for each specific item you will ship.

People can guess, but if you depend on guesses....
 
I guess I will look for european forwarders for quotes then.
Thanks guys :)
 
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