Reverse polarity with my controller

Ok, I bought 150 of them for 450$. Will try to sell it on this forum and ebay.

My price will be around £2.50-£3.00 for each Fets depending on the customs and shipping cost. Hope people will buy it here.
 
yep, you should try to cancel that order before you lose the money. you will never sell all of those mosfets. i can sell you some from my stash for that price, but methods is even cheaper.
 
cwah said:
I did. Is it bad??? :(

Shouldn't be. Selling genuine IRFB4110 FETs on here should be pretty easy, especially for all the folk here in the UK or Europe that have to pay through the nose for these when buying in small quantities.
 
dnmun said:
yep, you should try to cancel that order before you lose the money. you will never sell all of those mosfets. i can sell you some from my stash for that price, but methods is even cheaper.

But you're across the other side of the planet!

Over here we end up paying a lot for small quantities of genuine parts like this.

There's no chance of losing any money with the accredited suppliers that cwah is buying from, either.
 
Thanks guys. Anyway I already purchased it, and it's true that finding Fets in europe doesn't seem very cheap. Hope there will be people that will buy from me.

I'm also thinking about upgrading my soldering iron. Would this one be good for soldering fets?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/60W-PROTECTION-SOLDERING-IRON-STATION/dp/B004X25LW8/ref=sr_1_5?s=diy&ie=UTF8&qid=1343489660&sr=1-5
 
dnmun said:
it costs me 99 cents to mail mosfets international airmail. whatever. it's your money.

It's the suggestion that Farnell, RS or IR direct are in some way dodgy suppliers, I was really questioning. My experience is that they always supply genuine parts. Their bulk prices are OK (as cwah has found out) it's only the small volume prices that are on the high side, but they are no worse than Digikey or Mouser.

Where did you get yours from?
 
Also guys, I'm thinking about getting a better soldering station, I've seen the heat air soldering station may be better for all the electronic part?

Would this one be good?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SMD-Rework-Soldering-Station-HOT-AIR-GUN-Solder-IRON-Saike-898D-UK-Shipping-/170875555777?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item27c8fa0fc1#ht_2704wt_966
 
Unless you want to get into delicate surface mount rework, then I'd suggest you don't want a hot air unit. The temp controlled iron you linked to earlier would be OK for all through-hole work, like replacing FETs, wiring work, etc.
 
dnmun said:
"Where did you get yours from?"

i bot mine from methods.

So, that's the same source as cwah, then, but via two third parties? If he'd made the mistake of ordering the ebay junk, then I could understand the criticism, but buying from IR direct, Farnell or RS in quantity would be around the same price here as methods was selling them for over there.
 
I finally managed to install the fets I had from Dnmun. Here's what it look like now:
controller_front.jpg


controller_back.jpg


Not the cleanest job but does the work.


I tried to connect it to my ebike, but nothing happened.

I then checked again the Fets and all the 6 Fets I installed failed the continuity test.

Are they all blown??? What happened? :?: :?: :?:
 
Are those metal washers on the FET screws? If so, they are shorting the tab to the heatsink bar, the case, and thus to every other FET tab that is using a metal washer and anything else that touches the case. I don't know for sure what the results would be, but it won't operate normally like that.

Plastic "tophat" washers should be used (like the others have) to keep that from happening.


Also, I can't tell for sure, but it looks like there is something other than the insulating strip behind the FET next to the one that is not yet screwed down, perhaps paper?

It may also be that some of the FETs over the wrinkled areas of that insulating strip are poking thru it and shorting to the heatsink bar, but again, I can't tell from the pic.

There is one spot on the bottom right of the bottom PCB pic that looks like the solder is pushed over across the gap between traces, and might be shorting there, too.
 
But the top part of the Fet is in metal and the screw are in metal too. So weather there is a plastic washer or not it would short it, if short is possible isn't it?

What surprise me is that all the new FETs I installed were killed from the moment I plugged my controller.

I think I can throw my controller away...? Maybe only keep the 6 remaining fets that are still alive?
 
cwah said:
But the top part of the Fet is in metal and the screw are in metal too. So weather there is a plastic washer or not it would short it, if short is possible isn't it?
No. the plastic "tophat" washers prevent the screw from touching the FET's tab. Look at the washers you took out with the original FETs, or if you don't have thsoe anymore, look at one from one of the still-isntalled originals. You'll see a lip that extends down into the FET's tab moutning hole to keep the screw from touching it.

The gray (sometimes yellow) material behind the FETs prevents them from directly touching the metal heatsink bar.

That's why both of those are very important and why they install them in the first place. For reducing heat (and cost), it would be better not to install them, but they are required, so they do.


What surprise me is that all the new FETs I installed were killed from the moment I plugged my controller.
Depending on what path the short circuit thru the heatsink bar provides, they may well not be blown, but simply appear shorted because of the short htru the bar itself. Once unscrewd from the bar they may not be shorted anymore. If they are either shroted or blown open, then that means the short circuit path was one that allowed power to flow thru them direclty from battery+ batteyr- probably, whcih is usually very bad, and is called a Shoot-thru or Pass-thru event when it happens during motor operation.


I think I can throw my controller away...? Maybe only keep the 6 remaining fets that are still alive?
Depending on what happened you can probably still fix it by replacing the FETs again, only this time using the original mounting hardware and thermal pads (or equivalent replacments). Couldn't say without further troubleshooting, or just trying it by replacing those FETs.

It is possible that other thigns fried, too, like gate driver transistors, but you'd have to do further tests to determine that. I haven't read thru the rest of your thread so perhaps you have already done that part before, and already know how--if not, and you want to know, someone should be able to walk you thru it at least by pointing to posts where others have done the same thing before (I don't have a link handy).

If you do decide to replace the FETs again, I recommend installing the original mounting hardware first, to ensure they're bolted properly to the heatsink bar, then test for continuity from FET tab to taht bar, there should be none. Then solder them into the PCB and retest continuity/etc.
 
I desoldered the Fet and they are all dead :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Can I sell the controller for someone? Would that have any value?

I'm not sure I want to go any further as Fets are difficult to find and they blow so easily :cry:
 
cwah said:
I'm not sure I want to go any further as Fets are difficult to find and they blow so easily :cry:
Well, if the latter is a problem then you're going to have to stop using anything with power electronics in it, becuase there are FETs in just about all of them. ;) no more ebiking! :p


Not sure why they are hard to get; I'd be pretty sure various members on here have some they'd sell, or if not there is Farnell there in the UK, or Mouser and Digikey. Unless there are restrictions importing them there, they shoudl be easy to get (prices notwithstanding).
 
why are you gonna remove the mosfets? did you even test them? you didn't save the insulating bushings? if you remove the screws so they are not shorted to the drain then you can test the mosfets with the diode tester on your voltmeter.
 
I removed the screw first but they didn't pass the continuity test.

So I decided to completely desolder them to be sure it's an issue with the Fet and it didn't pass either :cry: :cry: :cry:

My controller has something that blow the fets on the exact same position :cry: :cry: :cry:
 
cwah said:
My controller has something that blow the fets on the exact same position :cry: :cry: :cry:

Well, not using the insulating washer on them, causing them to short to the heatsink bar and then powering the controller up is a pretty likely suspect for that. ;) (not to be pointing fingers or trying to make you feel bad; I've blown up lots of stuff in similar ways cuz I didn't know something was essential until after I let the smoke out)

Unfortuantely it is also possible that something else is wrong with teh controller, but it is not all that likely to blow the FETs even if so. I guess if the gates were stuck on then it could happen, but AFAIK it would toast both halves of a phase, as a shoot-thru or pass-thru. If the others are not also dead, then it's probably not that.

Someone else that is better at controllers tahn i am should verify if my postulate is correct.
 
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