Stop Geoengineering Chemtrails

[sansander.ebike]

What is this, a tin foil hat stand?




edit: never mind I found it.
It is a Cloudbuster. It also neutralises the "negative mind controlling energies of cell phone towers".
And it contains quartz crystals, seems legit

This is a Chembuster/Orgonit, it is not strong but it works.....

there are a lot of videos , but this is to be treated with caution.......

Inform yourself...............

 

[Samd]

Did you know you can just rent gaussmeters and measure ionising radiation from the towers? Non ionising radiation is just heat.

I rented one from arpansa. Fifty dollars for a week. None on our smartmeter or phone. My old microwave was really high. Tossed it.
None from my hubmotors or from mobile phone towers.

Science saves.

 

[nutnspecial]

Standard horizontal air shear when it happens. I live directly below the Melbourne to Adelaide flight path and watch the contrails form about every 70 minutes on days where the upper atmosphere permits.
On days where the north/south wind is low the patterns stay linear and fall.
One days where the north/south winds are high at high altitude the contrails simply flatten and fan out.

If the temperature at altitude contains air that is saturated from vapour they will start to condense the crytallisation of moisture that would otherwise happen several hours later. Like a catalyst to a chain reaction.

That makes very little sense to me?
Some days there's absolutely no trail, some a small trail, and others it's like the things are crop dusters.

I can't imagine an amount of air temp differential and prevailing wind speed and direction that makes that make sense.
Sorry if I'm just too dense to understand you, but at least you learned that geoengineering is a real science with real patents and scientists, and real methods and means to carry it out.

Recap-
=No reasonable amount of air temp difference or windspeed/direction seems to explain 'persistent contrails' as they can be observed
=There is plenty of documented evidence of these 'trails' getting turned on and off mid flight
=There are pictures and video of spray apparatus -even in operation

The truth will come out, and I'm not an idiot, same as the majority of 'theorists', so feel free to share any stuff you have/learn that could set me/us straight. Just remember, logic and reason is paramount, not condescension and name calling.

 

[Gregory]

Thank you sansander. I learnt something today.

I never realised the origin of the video for Kate Bush's Cloudbusting video (with Donald Sutherland no less). It is based on the story of the "inventer" of Orgone Energy.
Something good is going to happen. Peace.

But everything else associated with orgone looks like the worst sort of pseudo science hokum imaginable; crystals and pyramids.


[youtube]pllRW9wETzw[/youtube]

 

[Gregory]

[Spleen venting]

logic and reason is paramount

Seriously, this is not credible any more. You have not reliably demonstrated your ability to act with either.
You are the opposite of this repeating bizarre explanations for natural phenomena and fringe conspiracy beliefs, backed up by a wealth of image macros and youtube links.

[/Spleen venting]

peace.

 

[sansander.ebike]

It is already proven in the 50s. Tests were made in the desert 10-12 hours after
it is raining.
Or it works the other way around....

 

[Punx0r]

That makes very little sense to me?
Some days there's absolutely no trail, some a small trail, and others it's like the things are crop dusters.

I can't imagine an amount of air temp differential and prevailing wind speed and direction that makes that make sense.

Similarly I find clouds very suspicious: somedays there are none at all, other days there are so many they come down and touch the cloud. Also, it's well proven that ice and water are heavier than air, yet we're expected to believe it just hovers up there in mid-air? It's probably all related to the space-based directed energy weapon Dr Judy Wood has undeniably demonstrated destroyed the World Trade Centre in 2001. NASA will be in on it - since they faked the Moon Landings to cover up Roswell they've been the puppets of the NWO government.

This is a Chembuster/Orgonit, it is not strong but it works.....

How so?

 

[sansander.ebike]

That makes very little sense to me?
Some days there's absolutely no trail, some a small trail, and others it's like the things are crop dusters.

I can't imagine an amount of air temp differential and prevailing wind speed and direction that makes that make sense.

Similarly I find clouds very suspicious: somedays there are none at all, other days there are so many they come down and touch the cloud. Also, it's well proven that ice and water are heavier than air, yet we're expected to believe it just hovers up there in mid-air? It's probably all related to the space-based directed energy weapon Dr Judy Wood has undeniably demonstrated destroyed the World Trade Centre in 2001. NASA will be in on it - since they faked the Moon Landings to cover up Roswell they've been the puppets of the NWO government.

This is a Chembuster/Orgonit, it is not strong but it works.....

How so?

where a Chembuster / Orgonite is going to the clouds
above you will find a hole in the sky and you seem the sun.
No Joke...

 

[Dauntless]

http://contrailscience.com/1980-nbc-news-report-on-contrails/

Vortex or not, ice crystals from jet engines DO NOT do what we can see on many days

They told you that themselves? They might just be in denial.

Round up all the talk of how contrails and clouds REALLY act. Compare them to this:

So when my Mother and some sisters started about chemtrail nonsense, off the top of my head I started comparing it to the contrails over London during WWII. The Allies would launch huge numbers of bombers in the dark that were heading toward Germany, then the faster fighters were sent after them to catch up in time for the German fighters to engage. The contrails would hang over England all day sometimes. Rather in conflict with the chemtrail 'Experts' saying what contrails don't do. Oh, these are piston planes creating contrails, again a possibility refuted by the self appointed chemtrail experts. I grew up a history nut, reading many a book about WWII planes and seeing many a photo of the contrails.

So I keep hoping that things will get better and I'll be able to go back to flying. I even took an aviation weather class with a retired Air Traffic Controller, who started to mention WWII London when someone brought up "Chemtrails." I laughed, he stopped and looked at me. I told him it doesn't do any good to tell them that, nor to tell them some of what they're calling contrails are forming right in front of them without a plane flying over, if they'd look up and watch. (Been through all of this.) He got a grim look and said "If any of you people are serious about working in aviation (Most were) you can't let people lead you astray with nonsense like this. You can't function in these environments if you can't think clearly and see things with your own eyes. . . ."

Perhaps a Google images search would prove enlightening.

 

[jimw1960]

Might also want to consider that water vapor is one of the biggest components of jet fuel combustion, along with nitrogen and carbon dioxide.
Spewing hot water vapor out into the minus 40 degree atmosphere at 30,000 feet will almost instantly freeze the water vapor into ice crystals and unless the air is very dry, they should hang around for quite a while.

 

[sansander.ebike]

I have more,
this is the first German television ARD.
Here is added the Chamtrail in Germany.
the reporter speaks only 45 seconds at 02:00 clock at night.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXndlB5M11s

About 20jears is shit here on the head..........

 

[Punx0r]

If we're talking WW2 aircraft: The rear-facing (ejector) exhausts on the Supermarine Spitfire produced jet thrust equivalent to around that of an extra 100 shaft horsepower to the propeller. Along with the P51 Mustang, it also took advantage of the Meredith Effect, whereby the air flowing through the radiator was ducted to produce a ramjet utilising the heat from the engine coolant, which helped offset the increased drag of the radiator.

With real life so fascinating and ordinary folk so clever, why resort to making up nonsense?

 

[jimw1960]

Of course, there are programs that are not secret at all where people go up in airplanes and spray trails of chemical substances in the sky. The agency that I work for even partially funds such a program. What is this program? Cloud seeding. The chemicals used are either silver idodide, or calcium chloride depending on the conditions.

I'm not so convinced that it works, but they have statistical analyses that show more seeded clouds that from non-seeded cloud cells last 36% longer grow around 130% bigger. Net effect is more rainfall. Some interesting info about the program on these websites.

http://www.southtexasweathermodification.com/
http://texasweathermodification.com/

 

[Drunkskunk]

Damn those Jets and their Dyhydrogen Monoxide chem trails!
Dare to be DHMO free!</sarcasm>



Samd, I'm curious about your microwave. Microwaves are pretty far down the spectrum from Ionizing radiation, and you have the whole visible light spectrum in between. So the microwaves themselves shouldn't have been the source. Got any theories on the source?

 

[Samd]

Drunkskunk that is bloody interesting. I'm off to throw that one around with my old physics lecturer. Wish I hadnt tossed the microwave after stripping it for bits now.

I wasn't expecting to wander back into this thread and see rational science. You've restored my faith in the people here brother.

I'm not joking when I say I'm a bit worried about the OP. He's posted another thread about an OEM battery fire. No way that battery is OEM, labels are photoshopped off.
Not sure he's not NQR.

 

[sansander.ebike]

I'm not joking when I say I'm a bit worried about the OP. He's posted another thread about an OEM battery fire. No way that battery is OEM, labels are photoshopped off.
Not sure he's not NQR.[/quote]

why so many worry ???

 

[Punx0r]

Were you using a Geiger counter?

 

[sansander.ebike]

because I've already thought,
It's a question costs
why do you ask?

 

[markz]

Man this is like an episode out of "The Outer Limits" or "The Twilight Zone"
How much them there episodes price and why that think.

 

[sansander.ebike]

it is a very very heavy topic

 

[markz]

it is a very very heavy topic

No no, its very deep.
Its a deep topic, which makes it heavy, so yes you are right.

OK Im done being sarcastic.

 

[Lurkin]

 

[nutnspecial]

It'd be great if the people so sure of themselves could adequately explain . . . .

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These aren't even big trails that will visably last a really long time.

 

[nutnspecial]

Here's some concerned people that are either pilots, scientists, etc . . .

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And if that isn't enough, there's more
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People that condescend, attack, or immediately dismiss are too sure of themselves.
All the information emphatically points towards this stuff really happening, but while there is little concensus and awareness, the reality is it's not. People are doing themselves and the rest a huge disservice by not informing themselves of both sides of the story, and then calmly and kindly stating their case/argument

 

[Punx0r]

why do you ask?

Because (to my limited understanding) a geiger counter is a common device and measures only ionising radiation. If you were using some other kind of detector it may have confused EM radiation from your microwave oven for ionising radiation. I am far from an expert, though.

It'd be great if the people so sure of themselves could adequately explain . . . .

It's already adequately explained to most people, just not to your particular "standard"

All the information emphatically points towards this stuff really happening

Interesting that you criticise others for being too sure of themselves then use a word as strong as "emphatically" when stating your own claim, then underline it for good measure! I suppose it's one of those simple tricks in using emotive language to try and convince others.