My initial thoughts about the Sur-Ron.
The bike looks amazing and I was also able to get my favorite color in orange. The orange black color combo looks top notch
. It looks and feels like I just bought a new scooter from Honda or whoever.
My first impression riding it was that it was very underwhelming in power. I don't know why anyone said you can wheelie this bike because I can't even lift the front wheel off the ground by giving it full throttle. The best way to put it is my hub motor bike just blows it out of the water with power and speed. I am pushing 8KW peak on my hub bike, and maybe that is the reason why, but my Qulbix Q76R just accelerates from 0 - 55MPH in seconds, you really feel it pull you the whole time until it just stops at 55MPH. I can easily lift the front wheel all the way up by giving the bike full throttle without pulling up on the handlebars. I have tuned my Max-E controller with a very high OVS and very high PWR setting, and these aggressive settings make the bike accelerate super fast.
The Sur-Ron lacks power and you can't lift the wheel off the ground, you surely can't lift it off the ground at any speed. Top speed isn't great, it gets to 35 MPH kind of slowly, then it very slowly climbs to maybe 40-45 MPH. There is no power to lift the front wheel, so when I normally go do a jump off something I full throttle to get the front tire lifted before I get in the air, you can't do this with the Sur-Ron. Big disappointment.
However, that being said I notice that my 2nd ride today I'm starting to get used to the low power and it isn't as annoying, I guess your body adopts to the power level and you forget what you used to ride. However, I won't be able to do wheelies, and will miss out on that "thrown to the backseat" acceleration my Q76R hub bike has.
The other thing is the Sur-Ron does pull better and very low speeds (under 5mph) on hills. You can climb anything with just 1/10th or very little throttle, where on my hub bike I usually need to full throttle it on very steep hills to get the bike moving. So the Sur-Ron does have a slight advantage at very low speeds.
I find the suspension quite good and plush, even with a heavy 450 LBS spring. The rear suspension is much smoother than a hub motor suspension. I was hoping over a large fallen tree and it used to jolt me and hurt when the back tire hit, now it just goes over it smoothly when it hits the rear. :thumb:
The brakes are very good and very smooth, really no reason to upgrade them.
slow speed handling seems very good and I was actually surprised that when doing circles around a car, I was able to do it much tighter and easier than with my Q76R bike.
I totally miss having control of regen. On my hub bike I used regen to stop 95% of the time, on the Sur-Ron I have to use the hand brakes all the time. This means that brake pads will need changing very often.
I can't really fully test a lot of things yet because of the twist throttle. I just don't feel I have good control with it and even when I tried doing jumps I accidentally gave it full throttle on landing once. Another time I must have had my wrist in an awkward angle and had a little pain when landing the jump. The Sur-Ron is also so under powered that I need to pull up hard on the bars when going over many things and the twist throttle makes it difficult.
The thumb throttle allows me to keep my hand in optimal position covering the breaks and giving throttle, while keeping a firm grip on the handlebar at all times. It allows me to very fine tune the throttle in many situations. The twist throttle makes you keep changing wrist angle, makes it difficult to stand up and give throttle. I feel the twist throttle will never give you great control.
Can you say that its because I'm not used to a twist throttle?, I just don't think that is the reason. Try standing on your bike and give full throttle while applying braking at the same time. I can easily do this with a thumb throttle, and I can go from sitting to standing without moving my wrist or my position on the handlebar. Basically the thumb throttle is for precision control and you can't beat it :thumb: .
To sum it up this bike will be outstanding once I replace the thumb throttle and get more power and regen control.
The bike looks amazing and I was also able to get my favorite color in orange. The orange black color combo looks top notch
. It looks and feels like I just bought a new scooter from Honda or whoever.My first impression riding it was that it was very underwhelming in power. I don't know why anyone said you can wheelie this bike because I can't even lift the front wheel off the ground by giving it full throttle. The best way to put it is my hub motor bike just blows it out of the water with power and speed. I am pushing 8KW peak on my hub bike, and maybe that is the reason why, but my Qulbix Q76R just accelerates from 0 - 55MPH in seconds, you really feel it pull you the whole time until it just stops at 55MPH. I can easily lift the front wheel all the way up by giving the bike full throttle without pulling up on the handlebars. I have tuned my Max-E controller with a very high OVS and very high PWR setting, and these aggressive settings make the bike accelerate super fast.
The Sur-Ron lacks power and you can't lift the wheel off the ground, you surely can't lift it off the ground at any speed. Top speed isn't great, it gets to 35 MPH kind of slowly, then it very slowly climbs to maybe 40-45 MPH. There is no power to lift the front wheel, so when I normally go do a jump off something I full throttle to get the front tire lifted before I get in the air, you can't do this with the Sur-Ron. Big disappointment.
However, that being said I notice that my 2nd ride today I'm starting to get used to the low power and it isn't as annoying, I guess your body adopts to the power level and you forget what you used to ride. However, I won't be able to do wheelies, and will miss out on that "thrown to the backseat" acceleration my Q76R hub bike has.
The other thing is the Sur-Ron does pull better and very low speeds (under 5mph) on hills. You can climb anything with just 1/10th or very little throttle, where on my hub bike I usually need to full throttle it on very steep hills to get the bike moving. So the Sur-Ron does have a slight advantage at very low speeds.
I find the suspension quite good and plush, even with a heavy 450 LBS spring. The rear suspension is much smoother than a hub motor suspension. I was hoping over a large fallen tree and it used to jolt me and hurt when the back tire hit, now it just goes over it smoothly when it hits the rear. :thumb:
The brakes are very good and very smooth, really no reason to upgrade them.
slow speed handling seems very good and I was actually surprised that when doing circles around a car, I was able to do it much tighter and easier than with my Q76R bike.
I totally miss having control of regen. On my hub bike I used regen to stop 95% of the time, on the Sur-Ron I have to use the hand brakes all the time. This means that brake pads will need changing very often.
I can't really fully test a lot of things yet because of the twist throttle. I just don't feel I have good control with it and even when I tried doing jumps I accidentally gave it full throttle on landing once. Another time I must have had my wrist in an awkward angle and had a little pain when landing the jump. The Sur-Ron is also so under powered that I need to pull up hard on the bars when going over many things and the twist throttle makes it difficult.
The thumb throttle allows me to keep my hand in optimal position covering the breaks and giving throttle, while keeping a firm grip on the handlebar at all times. It allows me to very fine tune the throttle in many situations. The twist throttle makes you keep changing wrist angle, makes it difficult to stand up and give throttle. I feel the twist throttle will never give you great control.
Can you say that its because I'm not used to a twist throttle?, I just don't think that is the reason. Try standing on your bike and give full throttle while applying braking at the same time. I can easily do this with a thumb throttle, and I can go from sitting to standing without moving my wrist or my position on the handlebar. Basically the thumb throttle is for precision control and you can't beat it :thumb: .
To sum it up this bike will be outstanding once I replace the thumb throttle and get more power and regen control.
