ryan1685 said:All I know is I just cant bring myself to pay $6000 CAD to get a Sur ron X to Canada when people in China are paying half that .
Offroader said:ryan1685 said:All I know is I just cant bring myself to pay $6000 CAD to get a Sur ron X to Canada when people in China are paying half that .
I'm trying to get it worked out to find a reputable source for shipping bikes directly from china. With Luna cycles raising their prices, it only makes sense to have it shipped directly by freight from china.
The issue is that there are fees or fixed costs (Like a document fee that is about $400 no matter if you ship 1 bike or 100) so smaller group buys are better, like 3-5 bikes probably makes sense so it will cost about $200-300 to ship the bike instead of $700 for a single bike.
The other issue is the new tariffs and how that will affect the prices.
Before with the regular version and nothing was known about the X-version, it made sense to just buy it from Luna Cycles. Now with the new X-version, and with Luna raising the price by a whopping $500 it may make more sense to ship directly from china.
The best would be to be able to buy a large quantity at a cheaper price in china, this way you pay only say $2000 for the bike from Sur-Ron china then their current price of $2800. This way it even adds to the savings.
ryan1685 said:it has been snowing for the last week … fml
ryan1685 said:Offroader said:ryan1685 said:I have heard of companies all over the world taking delivery of the X model sur rons in mass quantities, but have yet to hear about one place in North America that has done the same. I really want to buy one of these but do not want the Older Luna version. Has anyone had any luck getting one of these shipped from places like tmall or Taobao or a local dealer here in North America. I am starting to lose interest in this product because it is so damn hard to buy
I've been trying to figure out a way and am also in contact with someone who is getting quoted on Shipping some of the X-Version from china. Luna Cycles probably won't get any X-models any time soon from what I can determine.
Compared to ordering from luna cycle, the X-version will be about $1,000 cheaper in china when factoring in that Luna cycles charges $180 for shipping + will cost you about $300 for the sine-wave controller upgrade. The issue is you will need someone from china to ship (shipping agent or forwarder) the bike to you because Sur-Ron is not offering any international shipping.
This is where it gets difficult. One agent I contacted didn't want to ship an electric bike because of dealing with customs because of the battery. They said shipping a battery is trouble for them. You will need to find an agent who will do all this for you and not rip you off in the process. You will need to order the bike and have it ship to the agent, who then ships it to you. You will also have to deal with language barriers. You have to make sure the shipping agent or company is reputable because they sometimes can ship the goods without the proper documentation then demand more money for the documentation, I doubt this will be an issue if you find a reputable large company with reviews like on allibaba.
I believe it can be done and shipped for maybe a few hundred dollars (making the bike actually $500-700 cheaper than Luna) if we can find the right shipping agent who will do this for us. There is also no tax/duties for electric bikes shipped to USA from china so we do not have to pay for that just really a small customs fee and the shipping fee.
You can search for shipping or forwarding agents like on Alibaba and contact them and see if they will ship it. If you do look into this keep us updated on what you can find. I believe many of us would purchase the X-version and wait a month for it to get the newer version. You can also buy parts really cheap for the bike, like the larger sprocket and chains, and batteries.
What I really think we should do is a group buy because Luna Cycles is probably paying $2000 for these bikes and selling them for $3500 + shipping and not offering any warranty either.
My best friend lives in China during the winters - white guy that ended up marrying a rich Chinese women. Any way, he is about to head back to China for the winter in a month or two after the road construction seasons wraps up, he says I can get it shipped directly to his wife's house in Hunan province, but I am scared that he wont be able to get it out of the country for me, I have tried many freight forwarding agents and all of which have gave me the dangerous goods run around. Man this is such a frustrating process
efMX Trials Electric Freeride said:sounds like a job for importer exporter extraordinaire, Art Vandelay .. :?
who else has that kind of time and money to pull off such a scheme ..
efMX Trials Electric Freeride said:sounds like a job for importer exporter extraordinaire, Art Vandelay .. :?
who else has that kind of time and money to pull off such a scheme ..
Offroader said:I believe its totally legal to ship the bike from China to USA. This means its all up to finding a reputable agent who knows how to do it. If everything is legal, like not trying to hide anything, change classification, or change the value of the bike, it will clear customs and get to your house. Customs won't play games over here in USA.
The biggest issue right now is finding a reputable agent who will deal with all of this. That is not exactly easy because of the language barrier.
All I'm doing right now is just going to compare the cost, maybe in the end its not worth it.
ryan1685 said:here is the latest response from another agent ( superbuy). I even asked this agent if they could ship the bike without the battery,
Hello Ryan
Thank you for your reply.
So sorry again. I check with our logistics suppliers. They can’t ship this product.
1. It is high value cargoes and very big, need export license and the shipper should do the customs declaration in China Customs by themselves
2. Our agent in Canada can’t finish the customs clearance for this product.
3. Motorcycle will be collected huge tax even double or triple than the cargo value in your side.
To sum up, the logistics suppliers reject to ship this product.
Maybe you can contact the seller directly for shipping solution will be better as they are specialized in this product.
Best Regard
Merry
macribs said:ryan1685 said:here is the latest response from another agent ( superbuy). I even asked this agent if they could ship the bike without the battery,
Hello Ryan
Thank you for your reply.
So sorry again. I check with our logistics suppliers. They can’t ship this product.
1. It is high value cargoes and very big, need export license and the shipper should do the customs declaration in China Customs by themselves
2. Our agent in Canada can’t finish the customs clearance for this product.
3. Motorcycle will be collected huge tax even double or triple than the cargo value in your side.
To sum up, the logistics suppliers reject to ship this product.
Maybe you can contact the seller directly for shipping solution will be better as they are specialized in this product.
Best Regard
Merry
Hm seems like the agent might be used to dealing with smaller items or smaller orders? I mean it's not like you are trying to have the value written down to save on import taxes. I know many people when ordering from China demands the declared value to be set lower due to taxes and or VAT. So maybe that is what he figured you where after? Never heard that anyone had to pay triple the value in taxes, so my guess is that guy is either clueless, having translation issues or might just be to lazy to bother checking up.
Offroader said:I know someone who is in contact with an agent who said they would ship it. But based on what you are saying, I want to double check that there won't be any issues and if the agent is aware of shipping something with a battery.
I assume you are contacting agents to ship the Sur-Ron by sea freight and not air? If they are trying to ship it air then yes you will have issues with the batteries.
Ryan, do you speak Chinese? Or are you contacting them all in English?
ryan1685 said:Offroader said:I know someone who is in contact with an agent who said they would ship it. But based on what you are saying, I want to double check that there won't be any issues and if the agent is aware of shipping something with a battery.
I assume you are contacting agents to ship the Sur-Ron by sea freight and not air? If they are trying to ship it air then yes you will have issues with the batteries.
Ryan, do you speak Chinese? Or are you contacting them all in English?
My friends wife lives in China and it is her first language, she got the same response from the people at Tao Bao as I did. She was told that it would be very difficult for her to get the bike out of China once it was shipped to her house. I Don't know what I am doing wrong and she is a very astute business women worth millions of dollars. Put it this way, when my friend comes home to Canada for a few months, she has sent him multiple $5000 bills Canadian to live, so she isn't a dumb person by any means, lol not that money is the only benchmark for intelligence.
3DTOPO said:As some here have suggested going tubeless, I thought I would give it a shot on the back tire, which is a Bridgestone M403.
The tire fits too loose in the rim. Trying to fill it up with an air compressor and it just leaks faster than it can develop any appreciable pressure.
I tried soap and water on the bead, but it just seems to lose even want to seat. I bet if I covered the beads with heavy grease (or silicone?) it could have a better chance of sealing, but what a mess that would be!
On bike forms I read people recommending to put in an inner tube, inflate it to seat the beads, then only break one bead to get the inner tube out and install the stemless valve. Seems like when I have changed the tire in the past, once I break the one bead, the other just comes free, so I am hesitant to try.
Any suggestions would be super appreciated! Anyone manage to go tubeless?
urbanmoto said:To load via sea or airfrieght you have to be able to show the factory certified safety certificates for the appropriate transportation, of course the factory would only give these documents to official distributors. Yes the China domestic price is lower than the base price around the world, but when you add in frieght, insurance, import duties, customs clearance and cash flow needed to buy a minimum of 60 units (thats only a 20ft container) then I dont think prices around the globe are that far out, A japanese built motorcycle is of course cheaper in the Japanese domestic market than the US or UK, but we dont all want to import a single bike from Japan just to save £500, official distributors dont forget also have to cover liability insurance, handle recalls and whole host of other regulations (eg in EEC EMC testing, CE approval and secure registration schemes) and also EEC legislation means a proper warranty, plus full spare parts support must be provided.
efMX Trials Electric Freeride said:3DTOPO said:Any suggestions would be super appreciated! Anyone manage to go tubeless?
don't try this at home kids ..
Using hairspray to make a tire bead :
urbanmoto said:ryan1685 said:Offroader said:I know someone who is in contact with an agent who said they would ship it. But based on what you are saying, I want to double check that there won't be any issues and if the agent is aware of shipping something with a battery.
I assume you are contacting agents to ship the Sur-Ron by sea freight and not air? If they are trying to ship it air then yes you will have issues with the batteries.
Ryan, do you speak Chinese? Or are you contacting them all in English?
My friends wife lives in China and it is her first language, she got the same response from the people at Tao Bao as I did. She was told that it would be very difficult for her to get the bike out of China once it was shipped to her house. I Don't know what I am doing wrong and she is a very astute business women worth millions of dollars. Put it this way, when my friend comes home to Canada for a few months, she has sent him multiple $5000 bills Canadian to live, so she isn't a dumb person by any means, lol not that money is the only benchmark for intelligence.
To load via sea or airfrieght you have to be able to show the factory certified safety certificates for the appropriate transportation, of course the factory would only give these documents to official distributors. Yes the China domestic price is lower than the base price around the world, but when you add in frieght, insurance, import duties, customs clearance and cash flow needed to buy a minimum of 60 units (thats only a 20ft container) then I dont think prices around the globe are that far out, A japanese built motorcycle is of course cheaper in the Japanese domestic market than the US or UK, but we dont all want to import a single bike from Japan just to save £500, official distributors dont forget also have to cover liability insurance, handle recalls and whole host of other regulations (eg in EEC EMC testing, CE approval and secure registration schemes) and also EEC legislation means a proper warranty, plus full spare parts support must be provided.