litespeed
100 kW
That is awesome....thanks for the info.
Tom
Tom
ebikeguy123 said:Honda Cub with Sur Ron like drive train. Golden Motor 3000B. ASI 2000W controller. 60v 32ah battery. Second build will be converted alternator and used 18650 from power tools. This is for food delivery drivers like Uber Eats.
Offroader said:I couldn't find much information or conflicting information on the fastace BDA53RC rear shock, was it was designed for a motorcycle or bicycle?. For some reason the suspension seems really good on the Sur-Ron and made me believe that perhaps it used a motorcycle rear shock.
I did find on their PDF catalog, listing all their suspension components, and the shock is actually designed for a bicycle. It is on a small part of the page with their other DH fork and bicycle shocks. I guess this confirms it is a bicycle shock and must be tuned for a bicycle and not a heavier motorcycle.
Then the question remains if I put on a high end rear shock like the FOX DHX2, will that actually make a noticeable difference in the suspension? It is hard to imagine it will, but supposedly these high end shocks are suppose to be much better than a cheap shock like the fastace BDA53RC.
I've also got my eye on this DVO emerald fork which I think may be the best fork out there right now for an ebike. I wouldn't pay $1700 for this, but I would possibly pick it up for around $1000-$1200 if it went on sale.
Tommm said:ebikeguy123 said:Honda Cub with Sur Ron like drive train. Golden Motor 3000B. ASI 2000W controller. 60v 32ah battery. Second build will be converted alternator and used 18650 from power tools. This is for food delivery drivers like Uber Eats.
How does the handling and offroadability compare?
ebikeguy123 said:Offroader said:I couldn't find much information or conflicting information on the fastace BDA53RC rear shock, was it was designed for a motorcycle or bicycle?. For some reason the suspension seems really good on the Sur-Ron and made me believe that perhaps it used a motorcycle rear shock.
I did find on their PDF catalog, listing all their suspension components, and the shock is actually designed for a bicycle. It is on a small part of the page with their other DH fork and bicycle shocks. I guess this confirms it is a bicycle shock and must be tuned for a bicycle and not a heavier motorcycle.
Then the question remains if I put on a high end rear shock like the FOX DHX2, will that actually make a noticeable difference in the suspension? It is hard to imagine it will, but supposedly these high end shocks are suppose to be much better than a cheap shock like the fastace BDA53RC.
I've also got my eye on this DVO emerald fork which I think may be the best fork out there right now for an ebike. I wouldn't pay $1700 for this, but I would possibly pick it up for around $1000-$1200 if it went on sale.
I have Fox 40 and DHX2 10.5 x 3.5. Saint M820 brakes. Deity 80mm rise handlebars. Makes for a much smother ride and better handling. Gets rid of a few pounds as well. My back feels a lot better after a long ride.
litespeed said:ebikeguy123 said:Offroader said:I couldn't find much information or conflicting information on the fastace BDA53RC rear shock, was it was designed for a motorcycle or bicycle?. For some reason the suspension seems really good on the Sur-Ron and made me believe that perhaps it used a motorcycle rear shock.
I did find on their PDF catalog, listing all their suspension components, and the shock is actually designed for a bicycle. It is on a small part of the page with their other DH fork and bicycle shocks. I guess this confirms it is a bicycle shock and must be tuned for a bicycle and not a heavier motorcycle.
Then the question remains if I put on a high end rear shock like the FOX DHX2, will that actually make a noticeable difference in the suspension? It is hard to imagine it will, but supposedly these high end shocks are suppose to be much better than a cheap shock like the fastace BDA53RC.
I've also got my eye on this DVO emerald fork which I think may be the best fork out there right now for an ebike. I wouldn't pay $1700 for this, but I would possibly pick it up for around $1000-$1200 if it went on sale.
I have Fox 40 and DHX2 10.5 x 3.5. Saint M820 brakes. Deity 80mm rise handlebars. Makes for a much smother ride and better handling. Gets rid of a few pounds as well. My back feels a lot better after a long ride.
Nice upgrade!
Tom
ebikeguy123 said:litespeed said:ebikeguy123 said:Offroader said:I couldn't find much information or conflicting information on the fastace BDA53RC rear shock, was it was designed for a motorcycle or bicycle?. For some reason the suspension seems really good on the Sur-Ron and made me believe that perhaps it used a motorcycle rear shock.
I did find on their PDF catalog, listing all their suspension components, and the shock is actually designed for a bicycle. It is on a small part of the page with their other DH fork and bicycle shocks. I guess this confirms it is a bicycle shock and must be tuned for a bicycle and not a heavier motorcycle.
Then the question remains if I put on a high end rear shock like the FOX DHX2, will that actually make a noticeable difference in the suspension? It is hard to imagine it will, but supposedly these high end shocks are suppose to be much better than a cheap shock like the fastace BDA53RC.
I've also got my eye on this DVO emerald fork which I think may be the best fork out there right now for an ebike. I wouldn't pay $1700 for this, but I would possibly pick it up for around $1000-$1200 if it went on sale.
I have Fox 40 and DHX2 10.5 x 3.5. Saint M820 brakes. Deity 80mm rise handlebars. Makes for a much smother ride and better handling. Gets rid of a few pounds as well. My back feels a lot better after a long ride.
Nice upgrade!
Tom
Thanks. I found it well worth the money. It was definitely a noticeable improvement. Now with better handling... Next upgrade is a 10.5 kW Bosch motor with higher density cells and ASI 8000 controller. Ive already blown up 2 Sur Ron motors with larger controllers. Looks like the Bosch motors used in motorcycles are the same as the stop start alternators... also used for mild hybrids. Go to time stamp 5:39 of this vid to see the motor https://youtu.be/4k5TDZ6irG4
Im looking into adding batteries and kit from Bosch to my Audi Q5 TDI to make it into a plug in hybrid. It has the same Bosch alternator/motor.
trazor said:ebikeguy123 said:litespeed said:ebikeguy123 said:I have Fox 40 and DHX2 10.5 x 3.5. Saint M820 brakes. Deity 80mm rise handlebars. Makes for a much smother ride and better handling. Gets rid of a few pounds as well. My back feels a lot better after a long ride.
Nice upgrade!
Tom
Thanks. I found it well worth the money. It was definitely a noticeable improvement. Now with better handling... Next upgrade is a 10.5 kW Bosch motor with higher density cells and ASI 8000 controller. Ive already blown up 2 Sur Ron motors with larger controllers. Looks like the Bosch motors used in motorcycles are the same as the stop start alternators... also used for mild hybrids. Go to time stamp 5:39 of this vid to see the motor https://youtu.be/4k5TDZ6irG4
Im looking into adding batteries and kit from Bosch to my Audi Q5 TDI to make it into a plug in hybrid. It has the same Bosch alternator/motor.
Where you guys are sourcing Sur Ron motors without the complete bike? I heard they will sell drivetrain systems but never found a store to buy.
Flykrisco said:Luna has them
ebikeguy123 said:Thanks. I found it well worth the money. It was definitely a noticeable improvement. Now with better handling... Next upgrade is a 10.5 kW Bosch motor with higher density cells and ASI 8000 controller. Ive already blown up 2 Sur Ron motors with larger controllers. Looks like the Bosch motors used in motorcycles are the same as the stop start alternators... also used for mild hybrids. Go to time stamp 5:39 of this vid to see the motor https://youtu.be/4k5TDZ6irG4
Im looking into adding batteries and kit from Bosch to my Audi Q5 TDI to make it into a plug in hybrid. It has the same Bosch alternator/motor.
ebikeguy123 said:Thanks. I found it well worth the money. It was definitely a noticeable improvement. Now with better handling... Next upgrade is a 10.5 kW Bosch motor with higher density cells and ASI 8000 controller. Ive already blown up 2 Sur Ron motors with larger controllers. Looks like the Bosch motors used in motorcycles are the same as the stop start alternators... also used for mild hybrids. Go to time stamp 5:39 of this vid to see the motor https://youtu.be/4k5TDZ6irG4
Im looking into adding batteries and kit from Bosch to my Audi Q5 TDI to make it into a plug in hybrid. It has the same Bosch alternator/motor.
upgrade is a 10.5 kW Bosch motor with higher density cells and ASI 8000 controller. Ive already blown up 2 Sur Ron motors with larger controllers. Looks like the Bosch motors used in motorcycles are the same as the stop start alternators... also used for mild hybrids. Go to time stamp 5:39 of this vid to see the motor https://youtu.be/4k5TDZ6irG4
Im looking into adding batteries and kit from Bosch to my Audi Q5 TDI to make it into a plug in hybrid. It has the same Bosch alternator/motor.
Tommm said:ebikeguy123 said:Thanks. I found it well worth the money. It was definitely a noticeable improvement. Now with better handling... Next upgrade is a 10.5 kW Bosch motor with higher density cells and ASI 8000 controller. Ive already blown up 2 Sur Ron motors with larger controllers. Looks like the Bosch motors used in motorcycles are the same as the stop start alternators... also used for mild hybrids. Go to time stamp 5:39 of this vid to see the motor https://youtu.be/4k5TDZ6irG4
Im looking into adding batteries and kit from Bosch to my Audi Q5 TDI to make it into a plug in hybrid. It has the same Bosch alternator/motor.
The qs 3kw mid drive seems to handle a lot more power than the sur ron motor then. There are builds with 15-21kw battery amps with it.
Offroader said:upgrade is a 10.5 kW Bosch motor with higher density cells and ASI 8000 controller. Ive already blown up 2 Sur Ron motors with larger controllers. Looks like the Bosch motors used in motorcycles are the same as the stop start alternators... also used for mild hybrids. Go to time stamp 5:39 of this vid to see the motor https://youtu.be/4k5TDZ6irG4
Im looking into adding batteries and kit from Bosch to my Audi Q5 TDI to make it into a plug in hybrid. It has the same Bosch alternator/motor.
How did you blow up 2 sur ron motors, what exactly broke? Did you have a temp probe in the motor or did you run the motor with none?
overheated.
If you had a temp probe and the windings did not go above say 130c, is it still possible to damage the sur ron motors?
I was abusing it and it was in the tropics in 90 degree weather.
Like I said before you will easily overheat this motor as it lacks air flow. You just can't slap on a more powerful controller and start running this thing like a dirt bike, you will over heat it.
i agree. Thats why im using the Golden Motor 3000b fan cooled for the Honda Cub project.
The motor is going to need better cooling if you plan on running this with more power as the sur ron motor is surrounded and looks to block most air flow. You will also need to open the motor up and attach a temp probe if using more watts than stock to make sure it does not go over 120c.
The Bosch is very well vented.
That Bosch motor you linked looks huge, is it really so wide as shown in the video? Will it fit in the sur ron?
litespeed said:ebikeguy123 said:Thanks. I found it well worth the money. It was definitely a noticeable improvement. Now with better handling... Next upgrade is a 10.5 kW Bosch motor with higher density cells and ASI 8000 controller. Ive already blown up 2 Sur Ron motors with larger controllers. Looks like the Bosch motors used in motorcycles are the same as the stop start alternators... also used for mild hybrids. Go to time stamp 5:39 of this vid to see the motor https://youtu.be/4k5TDZ6irG4
Im looking into adding batteries and kit from Bosch to my Audi Q5 TDI to make it into a plug in hybrid. It has the same Bosch alternator/motor.
Where did you find the motor/alternator for sale available?
Thanks
ebikeguy123 said:Offroader said:upgrade is a 10.5 kW Bosch motor with higher density cells and ASI 8000 controller. Ive already blown up 2 Sur Ron motors with larger controllers. Looks like the Bosch motors used in motorcycles are the same as the stop start alternators... also used for mild hybrids. Go to time stamp 5:39 of this vid to see the motor https://youtu.be/4k5TDZ6irG4
Im looking into adding batteries and kit from Bosch to my Audi Q5 TDI to make it into a plug in hybrid. It has the same Bosch alternator/motor.
How did you blow up 2 sur ron motors, what exactly broke? Did you have a temp probe in the motor or did you run the motor with none?
overheated.
If you had a temp probe and the windings did not go above say 130c, is it still possible to damage the sur ron motors?
I was abusing it and it was in the tropics in 90 degree weather.
Like I said before you will easily overheat this motor as it lacks air flow. You just can't slap on a more powerful controller and start running this thing like a dirt bike, you will over heat it.
i agree. Thats why im using the Golden Motor 3000b fan cooled for the Honda Cub project.
The motor is going to need better cooling if you plan on running this with more power as the sur ron motor is surrounded and looks to block most air flow. You will also need to open the motor up and attach a temp probe if using more watts than stock to make sure it does not go over 120c.
The Bosch is very well vented.
That Bosch motor you linked looks huge, is it really so wide as shown in the video? Will it fit in the sur ron?
Im modifying the Sur Ron Firefly frame to accommodate the Bosch. This is just for fun to see what can be done. The stock X Sur Ron has more than enough power in the bush... and with a ASI 4000 or 8000 is a handfull to drive.
The goal is to use one motor for my projects in Africa and other tropical areas as well as a mild hybrid kit and full electric vehicles.
ebikeguy123 said:ebikeguy123 said:Offroader said:upgrade is a 10.5 kW Bosch motor with higher density cells and ASI 8000 controller. Ive already blown up 2 Sur Ron motors with larger controllers. Looks like the Bosch motors used in motorcycles are the same as the stop start alternators... also used for mild hybrids. Go to time stamp 5:39 of this vid to see the motor https://youtu.be/4k5TDZ6irG4
Im looking into adding batteries and kit from Bosch to my Audi Q5 TDI to make it into a plug in hybrid. It has the same Bosch alternator/motor.
How did you blow up 2 sur ron motors, what exactly broke? Did you have a temp probe in the motor or did you run the motor with none?
overheated.
If you had a temp probe and the windings did not go above say 130c, is it still possible to damage the sur ron motors?
I was abusing it and it was in the tropics in 90 degree weather.
Like I said before you will easily overheat this motor as it lacks air flow. You just can't slap on a more powerful controller and start running this thing like a dirt bike, you will over heat it.
i agree. Thats why im using the Golden Motor 3000b fan cooled for the Honda Cub project.
The motor is going to need better cooling if you plan on running this with more power as the sur ron motor is surrounded and looks to block most air flow. You will also need to open the motor up and attach a temp probe if using more watts than stock to make sure it does not go over 120c.
The Bosch is very well vented.
That Bosch motor you linked looks huge, is it really so wide as shown in the video? Will it fit in the sur ron?
Im modifying the Sur Ron Firefly frame to accommodate the Bosch. This is just for fun to see what can be done. The stock X Sur Ron has more than enough power in the bush... and with a ASI 4000 or 8000 is a handfull to drive.
The goal is to use one motor for my projects in Africa and other tropical areas as well as a mild hybrid kit and full electric vehicles.
The idea is to see if i can make the Sur Ron into more of a motorbike. A Zreo but in a smaller and less expensive package.
We are using swapable battery packs on demand for campus environments and food delivery drivers. That keeps the costs down and no waiting for batteries to charge. That way you dont have to have large expensive batteries. We rent the vehicles and provide a battery rental and delivery service.
Tommm said:ebikeguy123 said:Thanks. I found it well worth the money. It was definitely a noticeable improvement. Now with better handling... Next upgrade is a 10.5 kW Bosch motor with higher density cells and ASI 8000 controller. Ive already blown up 2 Sur Ron motors with larger controllers. Looks like the Bosch motors used in motorcycles are the same as the stop start alternators... also used for mild hybrids. Go to time stamp 5:39 of this vid to see the motor https://youtu.be/4k5TDZ6irG4
Im looking into adding batteries and kit from Bosch to my Audi Q5 TDI to make it into a plug in hybrid. It has the same Bosch alternator/motor.
The qs 3kw mid drive seems to handle a lot more power than the sur ron motor then. There are builds with 15-21kw battery amps with it.
efMX Trials Electric Freeride said:saw a couple of interesting things on the inner webs..
Sur-Ron with wider rear swingarm and other mods from sur-ron-italia.it :
https://electricmotorcycles.news/sur-ron-italia-competizione-concept-by-gb-e-moto/
ebikeguy123 said:efMX Trials Electric Freeride said:saw a couple of interesting things on the inner webs..
Sur-Ron with wider rear swingarm and other mods from sur-ron-italia.it :
https://electricmotorcycles.news/sur-ron-italia-competizione-concept-by-gb-e-moto/
Nice! I was looking for a way to put a larger tire on the back.. i would prefer something that looks more like the original swing arm though.