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Tesla Cybertruck values plummeting

No company in the USA has bothered to roll out some value menu options for these times. Remember when the objective was to make the EV cost as much as a gas car? not so much lately..
Well there was so much BS marketing surrounding the whole thing it's no wonder. Local Super charger network canned? Forget it, brag about using your use rooftop solar to charge, blah blah blah. Just too bad if you rent or live in a unit complex. Upper middleclass toys.
 
Governments tried to make the EV transition happen by throwing money at it. Bazillions have been handed out to support the EV sales. And when the free money is gone, POOF, and everyone is back to gasoline :)
Many companies have been thriving on this subsidy, but when it's gone - the company is no longer interested in the business and either switches back to ICEs, or just gives up completely, like Tesla.
Some billionaires have been enriched quite a bit, but nothing else happened.
 
My wife and I are patiently waiting for solid state or sodium ion battery technology to become mainstream because EVs are only reliably viable in extreme North tier states like Montana 6 to 8 months a year due to cold temperatures. Prices for batteries and increased range are also bonuses. I wouldnt mind a cyber truck if I could use it year round.
 
Yo, i liked that thing too. I'd love a car like that. You could build something like that with an EV because you aren't up against fuel economy regulations that works against small vehicles that can actually carry stuff. The loss of efficiency because the shape changed doesn't matter.

I was wrong about there being nothing good on the market today. For under $40k you can get a SUV-let that does 0-60 in ~5 seconds and has a claimed range of 287 miles. We probably want a larger battery, but this is an aggressive value.
2026 Toyota C-HR | Toyota.com
 
Back on the Cybertruck topic... I think Simone did a better job at the first Tesla truck than Tesla themselves. :rolleyes:

"Available nowhere"... no surprise there.

Eons ago I did pretty much the same trick to a 1955 Ford Crown Victoria, then later pulled the same foolish stunt on a mid 70s Opal station wagon. The Crown Vic was a natural because of its unique and wide chrome band that crossed over the roof, directly behind the driver, making it look surprisingly factory when finished. But more importantly, like most cars well into the 50s & 60s, the Crown Vic utilized a separate body (a sheet metal shell) bolted to a structural lower frame for rigidity.

Unlike the Crown Vic, however, the Opal was poor candidate because it employed "unibody" construction.. which generally entails designing-in the roof as a critical structural member in the absents of a separate lower frame (done to reduce weight and simplify manufacturing.

I would wager the converted Tesla shown in the video required significant bracing in lower members to prevent twisting or buckling of the unibody... with half of its roof missing.
 
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They sold most the cyber trucks to space x at full price. And now my free starlink equipment rental is 10 dollars a month so I am buying cyber trucks.
 
I wouldn't mind the C-HR in black from an aesthetics perspective.
The new Prius looks much better and tempts me.. but i already average 50mpg in my subcompact gasser.
 
My 97 geo Metro is my last IC vehicle.
I had a Gen1 '94 hatchback. The same 1L cammer engine. Mine was a hasty purchase sitting at the very back of a local dealership. On start-up It pushed antifreeze from the radiator so I immediately assumed head gasket or cracked head (easy fix), so I eagerly handed the salesman 400 bucks and dollied the beast home. Upon tear-down, to my utter amazement the problem was neither gasket nor cylinder head... it had a glaringly obvious 30-35mm vertical crack at the top of one of its 3 cylinders. Needless to say, I was forced to renew the short block.

I ran it just short of two trouble-free years. Then one chilly January AM and armed with sufficiently elevated stupidity, I drove that puppy (unintentionally of course), off the road and over a sizable pile of boulders. No, I wasn't drunk (I don't indulge, I was enroute to a doctor's appointment). Needless to say, I had effectively totaled my lil' pride&joy - the LH front suspension system (strut mount, half shaft, wheel and all) pushed rearward about 6". Even the sheet metal floorboard underneath the clutch pedal had sizable wrinkles. It sat behind the cabin for 6 months while I hunted for a Metro wagon (a rare beast to be sure), but to no avail.

My only gripes - brutally rough riding, shitty seats and upholstery, and lastly,... the tranny's synchros are easily trashed, especially 2nd gear (I resorted to frequent lube changes and short-shifting to extend their life).
 
This is why i'm such a Mazda2/Yaris IA fan.
It has 16 inch wheels, so the ride quality is good for it's size.
Power is just adequate, short of what you'd call fun.
Comfortable and nice interior.
~2400lbs curb weight when stock ( i have removed a bit over 100lbs )

It's a much needed socio-economic class step up from the Geo Metro.
Americans wouldn't buy it so it's discontinued a few years back.

Today i pulled the rare >70mpg along some 40mph suburban streets. Traffic was low, so i was able to put it in neutral and coast to stops from long periods of time.

If you preserve momentum, it does a great impression of a Prius. Efficient enough until i buy a property and have a plug available.

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No company in the USA has bothered to roll out some value menu options for these times. Remember when the objective was to make the EV cost as much as a gas car? not so much lately..
Manufacturers today make more money off of financing their cars than selling their cars. Consider GMAC as an example. In order to help people "afford" their products, in the present day it's not unusual for a dealership to offer a 96 month payment plan at 11% APR. The vehicles are then deliberately made unrepairable by a local mechanic outside of a dealership, and said vehicles aren't made to last longer than the warrantee, forcing the buyer back into their "ecosystem" when the vehicle is finally paid off and something on the vehicle fails that is more expensive to repair than the vehicle is worth.

The automakers have a nice little grift going, and they are doing everything they can to close off alternative transportation methods that will allow people to avoid buying into it, including trying to use emissions laws in places to take older vehicles off the road, lobbying for the adding of ethanol to fuel that damages older engines, using legislation to keep affordable Chinese EV competitors out of the USA market, lobbying for anti e-bike legislation, opposing legislation that expands bicycling infrastructure, lobbying against mass transit and high speed rail systems, and writing "safety" rules so burdensome that no one else can get into the auto industry to compete. The people running these corporations don't believe that the poor who can't afford to buy into this scheme should have any mobility at all, because they aren't paying them. It's already so onerous to the average American that the average American spends about $14,000/year to keep their 13-year-old clunker car on the road, when the average annual wage for a full-time worker before taxes/deductions are taken out is only about $40,000. Pile on $2,000/mo rent and $1,000+/mo health insurance costs and you can quickly see the problem for the average person: debt. It's very difficult to avoid and basically mandatory. Homelessness has also been criminalized, in order to keep people grinding on the hamster wheel, while continuous money printing constantly devalues their savings.

All of this is in effort to maintain continuous economic growth, when we live on a planet of finite natural resources. It will eventually blow up in everyone's' collective faces, except for the ones who created the grift and are profiting from it. The ones who created the grift don't care about the consequences, because they're dumping them onto the rest of the population. Socialize the losses, privatize the gains, and they're using the threat and force of government to do it. It's not by accident that lots of prisons keep being built. They're there for the people who wish to drop out of the ponzi scheme by no longer caring to follow the laws that exist to force them to buy into it, where they can then be used as slave labor.

Sad state of affairs compared to the EV optimism of the late 2000's to late 2010's
It's especially sad because EVs are simple things with fewer failure points than ICE cars. Building an EV that can last a human lifetime, where the operator can buy a cheap car in college, rack up 1 million miles with 1-2 battery changes along the way and pass it onto their grandkids as a reliable daily driver in their old age, is not rocket science. The problem is that the industry doesn't get to milk the operator for every last cent and force product turnover. We could have had affordable, reliable, practical, long-ranged EVs on the roads in the 1990s once AC drives systems and NiMH batteries became possible to mass produce, but the industry fought them tooth and nail, and it wasn't until they figured out how to over-complicate them with unnecessary failure points and lock mechanics out of doing repairs that EVs were finally allowed to enter the automobile market.

The same can be said about platform efficiency. An ultra-aerodynamic platform is bad at extracting money from consumers in the form of fuel/energy usage and added wear and tear. The industry has just now caught up with the 1921 Rumpler Tropfenwagen on average car drag coefficient, more than a century after the Tropfenwagen was made. It has yet to catch up to that of the 1935 Tatra T77A, even if certain offerings from Lucid, Tesla, and Mercedes Benz have gotten there in recent years.

At the same time, the consumer is the one getting the blame for the environmental degradation of car usage, when it is the industry that is deliberately building the cars to be environmentally destructive in the name of profit, while the industry pays government to step in and over-complicate the cars and adds failure points in the name of the environment as well as "safety" which has the effect of making entry into the auto industry with an affordable mass-produced product prohibitively expensive for anyone who isn't a billionaire.

The real reason for all of this is that the ponzi scheme called our economic system requires infinite growth in order to continue existing, but it has started to brush up against the planet's finite resource base. So the extraction scheme is becoming more direct and individually targeted via subscription models, longer payment plans, product enshittification, increasing debt burdens, quantitative easing of the money supply while wages don't keep up, manipulation of official statistics(CPI, unemployment rate, ect.) to paint a rosier picture than the on-the-ground reality actually is, ect. And it's currently collapsing all around us. This collapse is leading to increased wars as the USA scrambles to secure access to resources that it's just going to keep wasting in futile effort to perpetuate the endless growth paradigm.
 
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We need more than that. We need an entire paradigm shift away from the current economic, consumer, political, and legal system. Most Americans would be hard pressed to afford even a $20k car these days, and it will put them in crippling debt to do so, when 3/4 of workers don't even have $1,000 in savings. Alternatives to the car don't even seem to be on the table as an allowable option for the masses because they don't extract from their wallets as much money. We also need an end to planned obsolescence, which is the governing philosophy behind modern car design since the early 20th century, and which is driving an unsustainable level of resource consumption, environmental destruction, as well as consumer debt.

The Cybertruck is one of the more egregious offerings available as far as EVs go in terms of resource consumption, lack of reparability, operating expense, ecological footprint, and pedestrian safety. The plummeting values are not at all a surprise given the first three traits listed in the previous sentence. Yet legislators want to restrict e-bikes instead. People are increasingly resorting to e-bikes because cars have been made too expensive for people of modest means to operate. Various industries and government are trying to get blood from a collective stone, and no amount of legislation or financial chicanery is going to magically make it appear. If they try too hard to get more blood, by necessity, it could eventually be non-metaphorical and taken in the streets...
 
...use emissions laws in places to take older vehicles off the road, lobbying for the adding of ethanol to fuel that damages older engines...
Add to that the practices of the auto insurance companies, where their valuation methods are skewed to declare an older vehicle suffering even minor damage a total loss, removing it from circulation.
 
Add to that the practices of the auto insurance companies, where their valuation methods are skewed to declare an older vehicle suffering even minor damage a total loss, removing it from circulation.

That's how i got my car for ~50% off. Some one hit the rear end, producing minor, but ugly damage. Auto body place quoted insurance 10k, but that looked wrong to me. Insurance paid me 9k, i hired a little guy locally to fix it for 3k, and he did a great job actually.

Downside? the rear end has lost some strength. But that's okay, we never have anyone in the backseat. I can live with that.
I also had the guy put on the japanese hybrid spec spoiler while he was at it 😅
 
I am visiting central Toulouse at the moment. Most trips in central Toulouse are four times slower on foot than on a bike which is pretty normal. Driving a car however is significantly slower than walking in many cases, but there are still plenty of people driving and screwing over everyone including themselves. I think they should be euthanized and their cars converted to soup cans.

One day a fully functioning city somewhere will say no, park outside the city or your car goes to jail. At that point they will flourish and many others will surely follow. Why not now?
 
One day a fully functioning city somewhere will say no, park outside the city or your car goes to jail. At that point they will flourish and many others will surely follow. Why not now?
Cities have many other serious issues that just cars. That's why I don't live in one.
 
One day a fully functioning city somewhere will say no, park outside the city or your car goes to jail. At that point they will flourish and many others will surely follow. Why not now?
London did that 10+ yrs ago. Their “emissions free zone”,, .effectively excluding all but EVs and public transport from the CBD.
…Hows that worked out for them ??
 
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