Thread for new battery breakthrough PR releases

@Lock H if they are actually making a battery they sure did go all in to explain things in a complicated way. And if what we see in the pics are their new cells, why on earth would anyone do such a sloppy job of stashing the cells? Enough rant, I will read the links you gave.

Yes they do look like Leaf modules.
 
^^ Only passing along what I see/watt they say? ... and re "Leaf module" packaging... Were I a china supplier of batt packaging I'd sell to anybody that wants `em. Where are the Leaf module cases made?
 
Many/most factories/"manufacturers" rely on 3rd-party suppliers for bits and pieces... yes?
 
Those pics are definitely a leaf pack.

Marketing for VC cash is much cheaper than doing real battery RnD.
 
Every time I see those Leaf cells I get craving for delicious canned sardines and a tall glass of Ouzo :lol:
 
liveforphysics said:
Those pics are definitely a leaf pack.

Marketing for VC cash is much cheaper than doing real battery RnD.
I suspect they have been a little too casual with their CGI visuals...they didnt even bother faking in any connections !
Cash harvesting ?.. I dont know. If you saw the Fox News interview, its pretty convincing that he could have creamed a fair wad several years ago...if that is what he wanted.
...Or maybe he is just rolling the dice for a even bigger payday.?
I hope there is something in this, even if it is only 20% of the claims.
 
Hillhater said:
liveforphysics said:
Those pics are definitely a leaf pack.

Marketing for VC cash is much cheaper than doing real battery RnD.
I suspect they have been a little too casual with their CGI visuals...they didnt even bother faking in any connections !
Cash harvesting ?.. I dont know. If you saw the Fox News interview, its pretty convincing that he could have creamed a fair wad several years ago...if that is what he wanted.
...Or maybe he is just rolling the dice for a even bigger payday.?
I hope there is something in this, even if it is only 20% of the claims.


I hope I'm mistaken and they have something. I would be happy to fly out and evaluate tech if they have more than fluff to show.
 
......".We’re exploring options with a few strategic partners in the auto space to help us boost the production process in Asia and reach mass production as soon as possible.”

StoreDot also promises that FlashBattery is safer than the current family of batteries used in electric cars, as they aren’t flammable and have a higher temperature of combustion.

The company expects its batteries to hit the market within the next three years. .......

..and there is still that little issue of how you handle a 600kw charger to get that 50kWh pack recharged in 5mins ?
...or the 1MW + charger required for your Tesla !
 
Hillhater said:
......".We’re exploring options with a few strategic partners in the auto space to help us boost the production process in Asia and reach mass production as soon as possible.”

StoreDot also promises that FlashBattery is safer than the current family of batteries used in electric cars, as they aren’t flammable and have a higher temperature of combustion.

The company expects its batteries to hit the market within the next three years. .......

..and there is still that little issue of how you handle a 600kw charger to get that 50kWh pack recharged in 5mins ?
...or the 1MW + charger required for your Tesla !

As an alternative to a weekly parade of fuel tanker trucks making fuel drops into mult-100,000gal underground tanks of a known mutagen/carcinogen containing fluid that then is transferred by people not using any PPE or respirators...

1MW, or even 100MW power drops don't require any new or crazy technology beyond the pad mount transformers you see behind every data-center or power hungry industrial process today.
 
Im sure the distribution systems are able to be adapted, but i was more concerned with your average school mum or similar having to deal with a 450v, 2000+ amp DC charge unit :shock:
I guess it could be automated with a "hands off". robotic hook up ?
Lets hope that it does become an issue !
 
The robot arm charger mate/unmate pretty handily makes it a non-issue.

However, liquid cooled cables can make a supple and light 2000A cable your grandma could handle fine if she can operate a gas pump today. It would also be possible to have say 4 parallel DC cables you connect one at a time and go up in current as they each fully mate if a passive solution was needed that badly.
 
Hehe... ^^ Suspect you guys are tapping about "fueling"/recharging a large (heavy) vehicle w/lots of (empty) seats plus tons of (empty) cargo space that is designed to go much faster and further than most urban trips today. And may be hard to pedal (hehe... for warmth and exercise, but also to shave off peak power at starts and up hills, etc)... Whereas, my theory? To shrink the size (weight) of the vehicles (think bikes and trikes, trailers... etc) to make lots more room on urban streets AND to reduce costs to operate (to buy and maintain and charge, plus build infrastructures... and costs from damaging property and hitting/running over "stuff"). In total, overall costs of urban roads clogged w/20th-century vehicles is HUGE. Oh. And the fastest "recharge" I know of is still to just swap packs... :wink:

Object of efforts is to speed up urban traffic and help folks save money in transportation, yes?
:mrgreen:
 
..Looks like we can expect 2x the life , and $80 kWh cells in the not too distant future...
A good article on Lithium battery types, uses, and future developments..
http://www.teslarati.com/tesla-doubles-lithium-ion-battery-cell-life/
 
A grahene capacitor the holy grail! Reminds me of the heady eestor days.
"An electrochemical process known as ‘anodising’ breaks down the graphene layer such that more edges are created. We measured the properties of anodised graphene and discovered that the capacity of the material to store electricity was quite high."

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.azonano.com%2Fnews.aspx%3FnewsID%3D35588#pt0-616647
 
Can't Say anything specific but......

There is very promising research coming out of Swinburne Uni in Melbourne Australia too. I don't work there. NanoGraphene matrix capacitors. these little things can take and deliver charge almost instantaneously with no perceivable change in internal resistance or degradation after an undisclosed, yet quite large amount of cycles. They can hold their charge long term and be managed like a battery. Has been proven in very small scale, but looks like up scaling not proving to be too hard an issue yet, just lots of research $$$$. Batteries may be history sooner than we think! The Dreamy world of instant charging will convince the ice addicts!
 
^^ V.Cool... "rhinejuice"... ES Bible "Search found 38 matches: +Nano +Graphene"... but yer post the only one as "NanoGraphene". :) Can only find stuff like in the Journal of Materials Chemistry A, Issue 29 from 2013 "A CNT cocoon on sodium manganate nanotubes forming a core/branch cathode coupled with a helical carbon nanofibre anode for enhanced
sodium ion batteries". :mrgreen: Go Swinburne Uni! :)
 
Well a battery stores energy electrochemically and a capacitor electrostatically. Some capacitors do use a chemical process too.

Really they are both doing the same thing though, just differently. To radically increase the capacity of a capacitor you need to increase the surface area of the plates. Nanotechnology could do this, but removing the need for chemical storage would be a big leap forwards.
 
Not a battery, but an interesting notion....paint the house and get free fuel.
Solar paint offers endless energy from water vapor

Compound catalyses splitting of water atoms

Date:
June 14, 2017
Source:
RMIT University

Researchers have developed a solar paint that can absorb water vapour and split it to generate hydrogen -- the cleanest source of energy.

The paint contains a newly developed compound that acts like silica gel, which is used in sachets to absorb moisture and keep food, medicines and electronics fresh and dry.

But unlike silica gel, the new material, synthetic molybdenum-sulphide, also acts as a semi-conductor and catalyses the splitting of water atoms into hydrogen and oxygen.

Lead researcher Dr Torben Daeneke, from RMIT University in Melbourne, Australia, said: "We found that mixing the compound with titanium oxide particles leads to a sunlight-absorbing paint that produces hydrogen fuel from solar energy and moist air.

"Titanium oxide is the white pigment that is already commonly used in wall paint, meaning that the simple addition of the new material can convert a brick wall into energy harvesting and fuel production real estate.

"Our new development has a big range of advantages," he said. "There's no need for clean or filtered water to feed the system. Any place that has water vapour in the air, even remote areas far from water, can produce fuel."

His colleague, Distinguished Professor Kourosh Kalantar-zadeh, said hydrogen was the cleanest source of energy and could be used in fuel cells as well as conventional combustion engines as an alternative to fossil fuels.

"This system can also be used in very dry but hot climates near oceans. The sea water is evaporated by the hot sunlight and the vapour can then be absorbed to produce fuel.

"This is an extraordinary concept -- making fuel from the sun and water vapour in the air."
 
^^ Cool. (We got plenty of rain `round here these daze...) Omitted from article? How to harvest that hydrogen. AKA "storage". :wink:
 
Sounds interesting, except you'd have to enclose the painted surface in something transparent and gas-proof, to contain and direct the hydrogen gas and waste products out to your filtering and storage facility.

The water vapor would then be unable to reach the painted surface to cause the reaction in the first place.

You'd need a circulation system to "swap" the hydrogen and waste products out and the vapor-laden air in. Possibly this would take more power than you would get out of the system's hydrogen/etc in the first place, especially if you also have to compress the hydrogen (and oxygen) to make it useful.




However, if you just wanted to cause a fire "undetectably", it could be useful, in that you could paint the interior of a highly-windowed building, in the areas where sufficient light would strike it, and shutdown the air-circulation system in the building, and wait. Eventually enough hydrogen and oxygen might build up in the building to be ignited by the next person to walk in and flip a light switch (or any automated open-frame relay-based systems or brushed motors that are running).
 
I have seen on one of those "Next Technology". Type TV shows, a device that converts sunlight into liquid fuel... (a form of Ethanol maybe ?) ..or maybe a version of Artificial Photosynthisis, which is reported to be progressing in various ways..
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/601641/a-big-leap-for-an-artificial-leaf/
Daniel Nocera, a professor of energy science at Harvard who pioneered the use of artificial photosynthesis, says that he and his colleague Pamela Silver have devised a system that completes the process of making liquid fuel from sunlight, carbon dioxide, and water. And they’ve done it at an efficiency of 10 percent, using pure carbon dioxide—in other words, one-tenth of the energy in sunlight is captured and turned into fuel. That is much higher than natural photosynthesis, which converts about 1 percent of solar energy into the carbohydrates used by plants, and it could be a milestone in the shift away from fossil fuels.
 
^^ Hehe... A man of few words. :wink:
 
Must really like magnets
 
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