Velectris Super-Phantom

[DazzlerDervish]

http://www.velectris.com/catalog/superphantom-kit-p-99.html

Anyone familier with this motor? English is tardy and it is pricey, but on the whole it looks impressive. They also sell some impressive battery packs.

http://www.velectris.com/catalog/kokam-lipo-battery-p-50.html

 

[Lowell]

http://www.velectris.com/catalog/superphantom-kit-p-99.html

Anyone familier with this motor? English is tardy and it is pricey, but on the whole it looks impressive. They also sell some impressive battery packs.

http://www.velectris.com/catalog/kokam-lipo-battery-p-50.html

With impressively high price tags to match. The lipo is the same pack that EbikeMaui has been spamming here repeatedly, and if it's as good as the Kokam packs I fly, it should be excellent for an ebike.

The motor I'd like to know more about too. More torque and 'as speedy' as a 504 is a pretty lofty claim for a hub motor that's 4kg lighter.

 

[xyster]

The motor I'd like to know more about too. More torque and 'as speedy' as a 504 is a pretty lofty claim for a hub motor that's 4kg lighter.

Depending on if it's a geared hubmotor, the windings, etc, it could have more torque and speed at low power than a 504 at the same low power. It's almost certainly not going to perform as well, or as efficiently, if force-fed the kind of high power our big hubmotors happily devour. 5kw would probably electrocute dead that motor in pretty short order.

 

[Mathurin]

SF graph from Velectris'es website:
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w314/EThorse/5f3cdd12.jpg

X5 graph from Brett White's website:
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w314/EThorse/61681254.jpg


Seems not many people have used this motor yet, or have reported about it, so it's kinda hard to tell anything at this point.


I've translated this from the french part of the forum:

http://www.velectris.com/forum_en/viewtopic.php?pid=41#p41


And this bike is said to reach 35/40kmh within a few pedal strokes, it's 48v:

 

[Lowell]

About the only thing I learned from that graph is the X5 hub is a waste at 36v.

I really like the way that Scott bike looks. I'd like to know exactly how quickly it hits 40km/h.

 

[xyster]

About the only thing I learned from that graph is the X5 hub is a waste at 36v.

I totally agree. I'm puzzled as to why anyone would choose the much heavier, more expensive X5 for systems only intended to run at 1500 watts or less.

 

[DazzlerDervish]

It is fascinating having just arrived at electric bikes. The spiders web of technology. I am looking to building something slightly future proof for a daily 20mile round commute here in London, at present I am veering toward the BMC (Puma) Li-po route as a reasonably high end solutions.

I stumbled upon this today.
http://superkids.stores.yahoo.net/500wabmcelbi.html
With the options.

Thanks for all your comment chaps. It seems the French motor may be tres bon, but at a price!

 

[redline8400]

Hiya Dazzler,

Haven't posted here in a while. But I'm in London and have been commuting about 24 miles on a Dahon Speed TR outfitted with a cyclone 360w kit and a 9ah battery.

I posted pics here a while back:
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1092&highlight=

I TOTALLY agree with you on the comment you made about getting funny puzzled looks in London. I've gotten sooo many people who trying to chase me down. My cheeky favorite is streaming behind a racer-spandex type cyclist in order to ease off the throttle and save battery... they never figure out how I got there in the first place!

Anyway, I've been really happy with the cyclone kit in London because I can still fold the bike in the bag and carry it on public transport. I carry the seat and battery in my hand though... I've owned a mammoth Lashout ebike that weighed a hefty 75-80lbs previously and this is a totally new world.

I've got to say that the 9ah battery was barely sufficient for the 24 mile commute and that I've generally had to pedal quite vigorously and not mash the throttle in order to make it home before the battery cuts out.

The 360w motor is surprisingly strong and I've seen it put out 800w-900w for short bursts. It can sustain 450w without problem.

I think having the option to fold my bike on trains makes this setup one of the quickest ways to get around town. Don't forget that the cyclone has an integrated controller and that other hub motors don't factor in the controller weight when stating how heavy they are.

I think if I were to do it again, I would probably go for one of these:
http://www.bike-elektro-antrieb.ch/startseite.htm

I imagine there are less problems with fitting the kit.

Let me know this helps!

Redline

 

[thierry113]

This post is quite old, but I'd like to show my velectris equiped bike :

It is a bike bought in a local supermarket, 28' wheels, Velectris superphantom motor, Velectris beta regenerative controller, 48V 10 Ah kokam battery.
Legal (25 km/h /250W) or not (40km/h 1000W peak)

And yes it is pricey, but Velectris is offering a complete solution here : wheel motor, controler, and battery, all perfectly matched. That's why I choose this company. I also bought a nine continent motor which look the same in Hungary, but there is a difference : the controller is basic 30A which almost broke my front fork and the vendor does not sell batteries.

A recent and nice add on was the PV panel to charge my batteries at home : I use the MPPT converter sold by Velectris to boost to battery voltage. It is made by solarconverter in Canada.


PS : excuse my english, I'm french native, living close to Paris.