Wiring a new throttle?

[SwampDonkey]

I have a bike here with a broken throttle. It has 5 wires coming out of it (pics included). The new throttle is in the next post, so we'll know which one Im talking about.

My question is, how do I wire the new one? The 5 wires coming from the HIGO connector are as follows, since I just cut the old throttle off:

 

[SwampDonkey]

And here's the new one. How do I wire this new one?

 

[SwampDonkey]

Anyone? If anything, can I use a multimeter to determine what wire goes where?

 

[E-HP]

Anyone? If anything, can I use a multimeter to determine what wire goes where?

The throttle wiring should be straight forward:
The red and black are the same, and the signal should be green where the original was white.

Need to understand more about how the current switch is used (e.g. connected to the controller to turn it on and off?). It could be that the yellow and blue replace the yellow and brown, but if the controller need full voltage to turn on, the yellow of the new throttle may need battery level voltage. So more info necessary.

Does the old throttle have indicator lights or an LED readout, and does the new one have the same?

 

[dogman dan]

Red to red, black to black, green to the white on the new throttle. .

 

[SwampDonkey]

Anyone? If anything, can I use a multimeter to determine what wire goes where?

The throttle wiring should be straight forward:
The red and black are the same, and the signal should be green where the original was white.

Need to understand more about how the current switch is used (e.g. connected to the controller to turn it on and off?). It could be that the yellow and blue replace the yellow and brown, but if the controller need full voltage to turn on, the yellow of the new throttle may need battery level voltage. So more info necessary.

Does the old throttle have indicator lights or an LED readout, and does the new one have the same?

Whoops, there is no red coming from the HIGO plug. There is an orange in its place. The current throttle has an on/off button that doesnt work. Inside the throttle case, the brown and orange wires go to the button, white and green go to the hall sensor, and the black goes from the LED indicators and out to the hall sensor (ground).

Edit: Wiring orange to red, black to black, and green to white did not work.

 

[TommyCat]

With LED indicators and a hall sensor for the throttle you will have both full battery power and 5vdc regulated power from the controller in the throttle wiring. Care must be taken not to allow these two voltages to go to the wrong places!

Whoops, there is no red coming from the HIGO plug. There is an orange in its place. The current throttle has an on/off button that doesnt work. Inside the throttle case, the brown and orange wires go to the button, white and green go to the hall sensor, and the black goes from the LED indicators and out to the hall sensor (ground).

This wiring sounds like my original throttle assembly for a Magic Pie v5... although you missed a wire going from the switch to the LED PCB.

The wiring is as follows.

Orange: full battery power.
Brown: Switched full battery power for lighting.
Black: Battery negative or ground.
Green: Throttle signal.
White: 5vdc regulated power.

Verify FIRST! Check with meter.

This is a prime example of why you can not depend on wire colors from the manufactures, or take guesses. !

You can also double check by using the hall sensor pin-out.

I fear for your hall sensor. For more details and tips on a hall sensor throttles, see my thread!

https://electricbike.com/forum/foru...r-throttle-operation-testing-and-modification

If any thing is still unclear, please ask BEFORE trying a wire combination...

Seems like your pictures are reversed? Details on the new throttle...IE voltage display and key? 5 wire old throttle, new throttle 6 wire?


Regards,
T.C.

 

[SwampDonkey]

With LED indicators and a hall sensor for the throttle you will have both full battery power and 5vdc regulated power from the controller in the throttle wiring. Care must be taken not to allow these two voltages to go to the wrong places!

Whoops, there is no red coming from the HIGO plug. There is an orange in its place. The current throttle has an on/off button that doesnt work. Inside the throttle case, the brown and orange wires go to the button, white and green go to the hall sensor, and the black goes from the LED indicators and out to the hall sensor (ground).

This wiring sounds like my original throttle assembly for a Magic Pie v5... although you missed a wire going from the switch to the LED PCB.

The wiring is as follows.

Orange: full battery power.
Brown: Switched full battery power for lighting.
Black: Battery negative or ground.
Green: Throttle signal.
White: 5vdc regulated power.

Verify FIRST! Check with meter.

This is a prime example of why you can not depend on wire colors from the manufactures, or take guesses. !

You can also double check by using the hall sensor pin-out.

I fear for your hall sensor. For more details and tips on a hall sensor throttles, see my thread!

https://electricbike.com/forum/foru...r-throttle-operation-testing-and-modification

If any thing is still unclear, please ask BEFORE trying a wire combination...

Seems like your pictures are reversed? Details on the new throttle...IE voltage display and key? 5 wire old throttle, new throttle 6 wire?


Regards,
T.C.

The new throttle is a standard Cyclone 6 wire. Its the second one I pictured.

So what about the orange and brown wires? Based on what I read here I connected green-green, black-black, and red-white. The bike motor came on, but the key switch, display, and throttle didnt work. The motor just went full throttle.


Edit:
I have the throttle working, BUT the key isnt shutting it off. The display goes black when the key is turned, but the throttle still operates.

I have:

Black -> Black
green -> green
red- > white
orange -> yellow
brown -> blue

This is actually the same issue that led me to replace the old throttle. How can this thing still work with the switch off? Is it just wired wrong?

 

[TommyCat]

The new throttle is a standard Cyclone 6 wire. Its the second one I pictured.

The second one you pictured has 5 wires, and is labeled as follows...

red +5 volts power cable.
black negative power cable.
green signal.
yellow power positive.
blue power positive or electric switch.

From your description below, this seems like the wiring you are using..??? As with the 6 wire descriptions, the throttle would not work... Please confirm.

So what about the orange and brown wires? Based on what I read here I connected green-green, black-black, and red-white. The bike motor came on, but the key switch, display, and throttle didnt work. The motor just went full throttle.

Bad ground (black) wire connection?

Edit:
I have the throttle working, BUT the key isnt shutting it off. The display goes black when the key is turned, but the throttle still operates.

I have:

Black -> Black
green -> green
red- > white
orange -> yellow
brown -> blue

This is actually the same issue that led me to replace the old throttle. How can this thing still work with the switch off? Is it just wired wrong?

From your description, the throttle's yellow wire is being supplied full battery power from the orange controller wire.
When the key is turned on, full battery power is switched to the display input. (thinking your talking about a voltage LCD display on the throttle housing) And also to the blue wire. (please verify this)
If your controller has an ignition circuit that requires full battery power to energize it's electronics (which would have to be bypassed at this time). The blue wire would connect to that wire. Do you know where the brown controller wire goes? Or what it's suppose to do? Information about your controller and it's display may be helpful.

Great to hear your throttle's hall sensor made it!

 

[SwampDonkey]

The new throttle is a standard Cyclone 6 wire. Its the second one I pictured.

The second one you pictured has 5 wires, and is labeled as follows...

red +5 volts power cable.
black negative power cable.
green signal.
yellow power positive.
blue power positive or electric switch.

From your description below, this seems like the wiring you are using..??? As with the 6 wire descriptions, the throttle would not work... Please confirm.

So what about the orange and brown wires? Based on what I read here I connected green-green, black-black, and red-white. The bike motor came on, but the key switch, display, and throttle didnt work. The motor just went full throttle.

Bad ground (black) wire connection?

Edit:
I have the throttle working, BUT the key isnt shutting it off. The display goes black when the key is turned, but the throttle still operates.

I have:

Black -> Black
green -> green
red- > white
orange -> yellow
brown -> blue

This is actually the same issue that led me to replace the old throttle. How can this thing still work with the switch off? Is it just wired wrong?

From your description, the throttle's yellow wire is being supplied full battery power from the orange controller wire.
When the key is turned on, full battery power is switched to the display input. (thinking your talking about a voltage LCD display on the throttle housing) And also to the blue wire. (please verify this)
If your controller has an ignition circuit that requires full battery power to energize it's electronics (which would have to be bypassed at this time). The blue wire would connect to that wire. Do you know where the brown controller wire goes? Or what it's suppose to do? Information about your controller and it's display may be helpful.

Great to hear your throttle's hall sensor made it!

- Right, the new (cyclone) controller is 5 wire. Both are.

-The hall sensor didnt make it lol. I had to dig the working one out of the old throttle.

- The controller is whatever is in a Golden Motor Magic Pie V5 (I believe its a V5). This is my first time messing with a hub drive and this type of controller.

-Im not sure where that brown wire goes or what it does. It doesnt appear to carry any voltage.

I have found that the blue and yellow wires coming from the throttle have continuity when the key is on.

 

[TommyCat]

-The hall sensor didnt make it lol. I had to dig the working one out of the old throttle.

Unfortunately my fear was justified... :?

- The controller is whatever is in a Golden Motor Magic Pie V5 (I believe its a V5). This is my first time messing with a hub drive and this type of controller.

Welcome to the magic world of the Pie!

-Im not sure where that brown wire goes or what it does. It doesnt appear to carry any voltage.

I have found that the blue and yellow wires coming from the throttle have continuity when the key is on.

Look closer at the wiring pin-out map above. You will see that the brown wire of the old throttle was attached to the #4 pin or lighting feed. This goes to the un-terminated wire bundle of the upper harness, specifically the red or lighting feed wire.
This is the power circuit to provide full battery power for lights. Which was switched on by the red latching button on your old throttle. With a light not connected, it would appear to have no operation or function. But is very important to have insolated from shorting!

Your controller has no ignition wire control, just plug the battery in and it's powered up.

By first separating the new throttle's displays power input wire from the key switch and powering it directly from the harness' orange or full battery power wire. You could then use the isolated (very important) key switch to...

Put in series with the throttle's 5vdc supply power to disable the bike's throttle with the key off. (display would remain on with battery plugged in and would not disable PAS) Relatively easy.
Install a SSR between the battery and controller using the key switch to energize it. This would turn everything off and on... Nice! But more difficult. :wink:
Or any thing else that you would want to do with it...

https://lunacycle.com/remote-on-off-solid-state-switch/

 

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