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[ZeroEm]

by leisesturm » Nov 21 2020 6:58pm

Well, we may not know what Trump will do on 1/20/20, but we know what he is doing right now. Just yesterday he invited two Michigan congresscritters to Washington, that he attempted to convince to throw out their states election and draft a new slate of Electors bound to him. He has more states on his list.

I have not given much thought but yes conspiring to over throw the US is treason, we still have that jail in Cuba for them. It's 1/20/21 at 12:00 PM.

 

[Balmorhea]

She's way out there left...Green New Deal,

Good, but not at all radical.

Medicare for All,

Good, but not at all radical

against deportation of illegal immigrants, etc.

Good, but not at all radical. These are all things that reasonable people, most of the people in the USA, agree on.

I didn't vote for Democrats this time, so you're wrong there too. They're lame centrists, and lame centrists are not up to the challenges we face from white supremacists, fascist chuds, climate disaster, resource depletion, oligarch scum, and the self-destruction of capitalism.

 

[markz]

Do you think Chump will meet with Biden in a good PR session, like Obama did with Chump?

There is still time to meet before Jan 20'th (1st pic), if not then Inaguration day (2nd pic)

 

[LeftieBiker]

The environmental plan promoted by Biden/Harris is NOT the Green New Deal, despite Republican lies to that effect. That's a shame, because what it is is a watered-down bastardization of it. This is what Democrats have failed to learn: you may as well offer radical, socialist plans, because the Republican Lie Machine will accuse you of doing just that anyway.

 

[Balmorhea]

The environmental plan promoted by Biden/Harris is NOT the Green New Deal, despite Republican lies to that effect. That's a shame, because what it is is a watered-down bastardization of it. This is what Democrats have failed to learn: you may as well offer radical, socialist plans, because the Republican Lie Machine will accuse you of doing just that anyway.

I'm not sure Harris's position on it, but Biden is against Medicare for All even though the country as a whole wants it.

 

[Dauntless]

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Good, but not at all radical.

All radical, all bad.

Hell, Billy goat bad. Bààaaaaaaaaaaaaaaàaaaad.

The environmental plan promoted by Biden/Harris is NOT the Green New Deal, despite Republican lies to that effect.

Despite Bidens own lies, or perhaps because of them, he DID promise Green New Deal. And as always, it became "No I didn't/yes I did/no I didnt" based on the momentary convenience.

Oh, I keep forgetting:

MY January 20 prediction is a RALLY! With a group chant of---Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

 

[nicobie]

This is what Democrats have failed to learn: you may as well offer radical, socialist plans, because the Republican Lie Machine will accuse you of doing just that anyway.

I couldn't agree more. Kinda a shame though. Best to stay centered in everything.

 

[Dauntless]

. Best to stay centered in everything.

You HATE the center. That's where I am.

 

[JackFlorey]

Well, we may not know what Trump will do on 1/20/20, but we know what he is doing right now.

And today he skipped an international G20 planning session for COVID response to . . . play golf.

 

[John in CR]

Here's a question for those on the left, though off topic. How can you be for killing innocent unborn babies, but be against killing those who turn out to be very very bad?

 

[leisesturm]

Here's a question for those on the left, though off topic. How can you be for killing innocent unborn babies, but be against killing those who turn out to be very very bad?

The 'baby' is not sentient. Yet. In 90% of cases it's not even a fetus. Just a cluster of rapidly dividing cells. In 5% of cases it is a fetus with severe abnormalities. Not ever going to be sentient. Then there are 5% of cases where a continued pregnancy or childbirth would take the mothers life. Pregnancy was never supposed to be a Death Sentence. A good place to segue to Death Row Inmates. Who says everyone on the Left is against the Death Penalty? I am not against the Death Penalty. I am against the capricious, racist, and racially biased application of the Death Penalty!!

The Innocence Project has saved hundreds of black men from an unfair DEATH at the hands of a Justice System that hands down Capital Sentences for black men (and women) convicted of crimes for which white men (or women) would be given eventual parole. Moreover, some states (like Texas) want the right to take DNA from any individual they stop for any reason no matter how minor and keep it indefinitely. However they would seek to be able to destroy the DNA taken from convicted felons after only two years!!!!! This would obviously make their (possible) exoneration impossible. Somehow I doubt large numbers of white people would lose their lives in this fashion. We know, however, that over time, hundreds of people of color ... and lets admit it ... we mean black people ... they are always black. Even the pretty small numbers of Hispanics caught up in the extrajudicial police killings, or the unfair Capital Punishment sentences or executions, are also black in addition to being Hispanic.

So the two are very different. I might ask why those on the Right are so vehemently opposed to a woman's right to choose, since when she has her baby, it is hers alone to deal with. No matter her circumstances, the same people who blocked her way to a termination will not want to offer ANY aid to a poor, or indigent, or unwed, or abused mother. They simply don't want to know. And when her kid grows up, they will do everything in their power to put him on a path to Prison, or the Military or in a (premature) Grave. Why is that?

 

[leisesturm]

. Best to stay centered in everything.

You HATE the center. That's where I am.

And? What? You are ever so full of yourself. Who gives a frock where you are? You know what? I think I HATE the center even more after learning this amazing fact about you.

 

[leisesturm]

She's way out there left...Green New Deal, Medicare for All, against deportation of illegal immigrants, etc.

What is ... 'bad' about ANY of these policies? Even the deportations! There is nothing good about taking children from their parents and KEEPING THEM HERE for years while deporting their parents without even a hearing. Why not just deport the entire family? Why not just close the borders? Don't let ANYONE in. Except white Europeans. I've got no problem with that. I do have a problem with rounding up and incarcerating non-white immigrants and holding them in detention for years without any charges. I have a problem with deporting only parents and giving their lawful progeny to STRANGERS! That is inhumane and illegal. Two wrongs don't make a right.

I didn't say anything about deporting parents and keeping their kids, of course that shouldn't happen. You forget Obama built the cages, but just like if you get arrested your kids don't get to come in the cell with you, and no one should want that. You people aren't thinking things thru. Trump has made real attempts to end illegal entry, which is the only correct solution, and I see absolutely nothing wrong with the military being part of border security.

How can I forget that Obama built the cages. It's all we hear. "Joe, who built the cages?" "Who built the cages, Joe"? Biden blew that one. If it was me there that night, I would say (in Biden's whine) "Look, it's more fair to say the cages were built on Obama's watch. And I've seen those cages. We did not keep children in those cages." But can I ask you a question, since you went there? Cage. Bad. Why for Trump using bad cages Obama build??!!

Are pasty faced Immigration lawyers tiptoeing around fresh cow patties in patent leather loafers in the sweltering Honduran jungle looking for the parents of children in ICE custody that were deported by Obama??? No, they are looking (in vain) for the parents of children deported by Trump! Hundreds of them. Yes, it was a nasty and targeted attack on the unique family bonds of Hispanic people that led to the adoption of Child Separation as an Immigration Deterrent. And it works. I don't think, going forward, that net in migration to the U.S. from Central America is going to be a big problem!

Keeping American women from seeking abortions in Mexico will be a much bigger problem. Keeping American Diabetics that can no longer afford the $800/vial price for Insulin from buying it in Mexico. That too will occupy border patrol more than wetbacks on the loose. At least Trumps wall will be put to good use keeping Americans in! Here's a question: do you see anything wrong with a Mexican soldier firing (after a warning) on an American citizen illegally crossing into Mexico for Insulin, or a termination, or to work in the Sex Trade, since Amazon will no longer need warehouse workers once the robotic operators are fully deployed?

 

[Dauntless]

Here's a question for those on the left, though off topic. How can you be for killing innocent unborn babies, but be against killing those who turn out to be very very bad?

The 'baby' is not sentient.

How do you know? How does the baby know it's dying to scream? You take it as an article of faith that there was going to be an unfair death in the Justice System, yet you reject any inconvenient truth about unborn children. Capricious abortions are just fine. So you find fault with PETA over their stand on animals that are non sentinent, of course.

You sound as though you'd even support the mother's right to go back and kill the child after it's born. (I have this one older brother I'm sure Mom would take out.) After all, it's your capricious position that it was HER baby.

And? What? You are ever so full of yourself. Who gives a frock where you are? You know what? I think I HATE the center even more after learning this amazing fact about you.

Yeah, these are the things that make YOU happy.

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[leisesturm]

How do you know? How does the baby know it's dying to scream? You take it as an article of faith that there was going to be an unfair death in the Justice System, yet you reject any inconvenient truth about unborn children. Capricious abortions are just fine. So you find fault with PETA over their stand on animals that are non sentinent, of course.

You sound as though you'd even support the mother's right to go back and kill the child after it's born. (I have this one older brother I'm sure Mom would take out.) After all, it's your capricious position that it was HER baby.

You and John should both consider that, and I don't know exactly when the flip occurred, only that there was a flip, anyway, there was a time when Republicans where the pro-choice rationalists and Democrats very much more protective of the rights of the unborn! Positions change. There is that. Animal non-sentience ... you've never shared your life with an animal if you doubt their capacity for intelligence, recognition, and human emotions. Animals are sentient, even a Goldfish. I have no disagreement with PETA. At some point a fetus becomes sentient. A woman seeking an abortion after a one night stand is NOT aborting a sentient human being. Stop being ridiculous. The event likely took place a few weeks (or less) earlier. Just long enough for her to realize she is pregnant. Not even a fetus. A zygote. Not that you Catholics care much for the details. It's just emotion. Blind emotion. A cause to bond the brethren over. Why couldn't y'all get excited over something with some real consequences for humanity, like AGW (Climate Change)? And, seriously, could you please stop oversharing details about your dysfunctional family tree? Don't they have shame down there in Californicatia?

 

[Balmorhea]

This is what Democrats have failed to learn: you may as well offer radical, socialist plans, because the Republican Lie Machine will accuse you of doing just that anyway.

I couldn't agree more. Kinda a shame though. Best to stay centered in everything.

A centrist is a person who can take a long look at good and evil, and decide half of each must be best.

It's fortunate for the rest of us that they come along to whoever's in power, because they lack principles of their own.

 

[Dauntless]

consider that . . . I don't know

I always do, but it would be good for YOU to start considering that.

You and John should both consider that, and I don't know exactly when the flip occurred, only that there was a flip, anyway, there was a time when Republicans where the pro-choice rationalists and Democrats very much more protective of the rights of the unborn!

You should consider what happened in BOTH parties is what has been going on with the out of control DNC lately. Such as individual candidates running their mouths as though that whole party feels that way, only to get low bridged when the rest of the party spoke their minds.

Just because first lady Betty Ford ran her mouth in support of abortion didn't mean the Republican party supported it. As her husband would find out when her comments caused the party to put a specific plank in their platform about it, to his embarrassment. Here he had an already known to be prolife running mate in Bob Dole, others were known on the record for 'Abortion is Murder,' etc. Nixon ran publicly antiabortion in 1968 and 1972, before the Roe vs. Wade decision, as the Republicans in Congress were voting the majority against abortion.

The Democrats at the time were split, until there was decided party leadership saying the Democrats were to be the baby killer party. If you knew anything about Democratic politicians, you would know they don't fall in line with that and have their own views suppressed. Just this year the prolife faction of the Democratic Party tried to make themselves heard, there were plans for the convention if there had been a normal one.

Just think what 2024 holds.

It's fortunate for the rest of us that they come along to whoever's in power, because they lack principles of their own.

Oh, that was downright foolish. It's having principles that drives us to the center, away from you unprincipled. It's the reality of your lack of principles being empowered in Democracy that forces us to deal with you.

 

[John in CR]

Here's a question for those on the left, though off topic. How can you be for killing innocent unborn babies, but be against killing those who turn out to be very very bad?

In 90% of cases it's not even a fetus. Just a cluster of rapidly dividing cells. - That % is just a propaganda lie to try to help the pro choice crowd sleep better.

In 5% of cases it is a fetus with severe abnormalities. Not ever going to be sentient. - So that 5% takes care of itself naturally

Then there are 5% of cases where a continued pregnancy or childbirth would take the mothers life. Pregnancy was never supposed to be a Death Sentence. - Of course that kind of exception should be available.

A good place to segue to Death Row Inmates. Who says everyone on the Left is against the Death Penalty? I am not against the Death Penalty. I am against the capricious, racist, and racially biased application of the Death Penalty!! We're in agreement on that, though I'd add all penalties, and more power to those people who try to help correct the egregious wrongs against all who are innocent. I know next to nothing about the criminal justice system other than it's pretty f'd up, but as I understand Trump did make some headway with reforms there.

So the two are very different. I might ask why those on the Right are so vehemently opposed to a woman's right to choose, since when she has her baby, it is hers alone to deal with. No matter her circumstances, the same people who blocked her way to a termination will not want to offer ANY aid to a poor, or indigent, or unwed, or abused mother. They simply don't want to know. And when her kid grows up, they will do everything in their power to put him on a path to Prison, or the Military or in a (premature) Grave. Why is that?

I'm all for a woman's right to make her own choices right up to the point that there's another innocent life involved. While I can appreciate the arguments wrt the social good of abortion, there are huge issues never discussed. One is the severe psychological damage abortions cause the woman afterward. The other is how disproportionate the numbers are wrt race. With tens of millions of abortions since Roe v Wade being heavily skewed to blacks, not only has it significantly affected race %'s, but it's also had a big impact on behavior and policies. Had those 19 million black babies been born, surely we would have been forced to solve many inner city problems decades ago. For me abortion is simply a moral issue with life of course beginning at conception. Black lives matter just as all lives do, but innocent babies, whether born yet or not, matter to me a lot more than a handful of criminals who refuse to comply with police instructions.

 

[Matt Gruber]

".............forced to solve many inner city problems decades ago" john- how exactly is this accomplished?

 

[slacker]

And, seriously, could you please stop oversharing details about your dysfunctional family tree? Don't they have shame down there in Californicatia?

 

[Balmorhea]

I'm all for a woman's right to make her own choices right up to the point that there's another innocent life involved.

Until it can live under somebody else's care, it's a parasite that she endures at her own discretion. When it can live under somebody else's care, then it's an innocent life.

 

[John in CR]

".............forced to solve many inner city problems decades ago" john- how exactly is this accomplished?

If I had those answers I'd have already had my 8yrs as president, and things would be quite different for the better. We wouldn't have had 16 consecutive years with C students as president...Changes would have been made to prevent the Citizens United ruling...Race relations would have continued to improve instead of making a U turn under Obama, who most likely wouldn't have been elected along with everyone's love to hate Trump...Cars in the US would be running mostly on natural gas instead of an oil distillation, and we'd be better prepared for a planned transition to electric, as well as would have avoided the wasteful wars for oil, so no 9/11 and no 2008 crash that only accelerated the rich getting richer at the expense of the rest of the world. Hell, China probably would not have felt the need to release the virus (something for which there is a reasonable possibility).

 

[John in CR]

I'm all for a woman's right to make her own choices right up to the point that there's another innocent life involved.

Until it can live under somebody else's care, it's a parasite that she endures at her own discretion. When it can live under somebody else's care, then it's an innocent life.

That description certainly isn't true of me, but if it is for you then you're still a parasite, since once a parasite always a parasite.

 

[nicobie]

A centrist is a person who can take a long look at good and evil, and decide half of each must be best.

It's fortunate for the rest of us that they come along to whoever's in power, because they lack principles of their own.

I'm talking about politics, not sure what you are talking about.

There is both good and bad on the left and right. Depending on the situation I use my principles to decide which is which. It's stupid to think only one side is always right. :wink:

 

[Dauntless]

Until it can live under somebody else's care, it's a parasite that she endures at her own discretion. When it can live under somebody else's care, then it's an innocent life.

Throws you right back into disavowing the INNOCENCE PROJECT. When it's an adult parasite it's some sort of abomination to protect others from it, but just let it be a helpless unborn baby. . . .

That description certainly isn't true of me, but if it is for you then you're still a parasite, since once a parasite always a parasite.

I'm sure he'll come with a failed excuse that satisfies himself.

".............forced to solve many inner city problems decades ago" john- how exactly is this accomplished?

Well, come now, you're familiar with all sorts of problems nobody bothered to solve until they were forced. We can never know what might have been attempted if they'd had to try SOMETHING.