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Pelosi is timing this perfectly. impeachment starts Mon in the house, and after the 20th the new senate will convict him (he will be prohibited from ever holding public office again) :bigthumb:
And he won't be able to pardon himself, as at the time of conviction, he will no longer be POTUS.
Not that he won't try :lol: he will pardon himself for the "future" but the SCOTUS will strike it down.
Just my prediction; feel free to disagree :thumb:
 
i see they could just "censure" him. then is is prohibited from ever holding any federal office again. since his term is ending, this makes sense. :thumb:
But, they may want to impeach, to clearly define the limits of POTUS, to deter future would be dictators. :bigthumb:
 
Matt Gruber said:
i see they could just "censure" him. then is is prohibited from ever holding any federal office again. since his term is ending, this makes sense. :thumb:
But, they may want to impeach, to clearly define the limits of POTUS, to deter future would be dictators. :bigthumb:
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As I understand it, censure would be just that - a rebuke. To stop him from running for Federal office again, he has to be 'banned' by a simple majority vote of the House and Senate.
 
seems a 2/3 senate vote is needed to convict, and AFTER a conviction, a question about banning from public office requires only 51%. Can't do the Q without the 67% conviction.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/11/politics/fact-check-tweet-trump-impeachment-run-2024-secret-service/index.html
 
The talk is all for the fun of it. Do they really go ahead and convict when people start to realize that saying "We going to walk down through the capital, and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them. . . ." is NOT 'Inciting a riot?' Show where he said 'Start breaking glass and climbing through windows.' Cory Booker has said worse. The Squad has said worse. There's only two things with Trump: He has a bigger pulpit (President) and he's Trump. (You establishment flying moneys will never stand for nonestablishment.)

And let's not forget they don't want to open the door to 'We did it once, we can do it again.'

The talk will die down.

But is Ben Costiloe here, do you suppose?

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The difference is that the talk resulted in unlawful action. Had nothing happened there would be no crime.
Can they get 67 votes in the Senate? That is a high bar.
 
If the R's don't catch on quick, they will lose big in 2 years.
good analysis by Brook https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75rg5UsSS_Q&ab_channel=YaronBrook
 
the plot thickens :bigthumb: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/12/anti-trump-group-gop-impeachment-supporters-458254
 
That's called a bribe, Mr. Gruber. Nor is it enough, even if money alone could stave off the angry constituency. Then there's the DEMOCRATS endangered by the foolishness.

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It is sad. they don't have a moral compass. they don't follow the constitution. they just take bribes.
Great example is big pharma giving bribes to keep drug prices high. shameful :roll:
 
The Captain always goes down with the ship, BUT the crew should have enough sense to get on a life boat.
197 don't know right from wrong, even when their house is attacked :roll: :shock: pathetic
 
I didn't expect anything different. It was also mostly along partisan lines. The only difference between the parties is style/presentation/image. Their corruption, authoritarianism, and loathing of the American people are the same. Trump just brought all of that out into the open, whereas a Biden administration will continue all the same crap while attempting to keep it hidden from the public, in hopes that the protestors disperse once the "good cop" is in office and the "bad cop" is gone...

The American people don't have control of their country, and for at least the vast majority of its history, never did.
 
I didn't expect anything different. It was also mostly along partisan lines. The only difference between the parties is style/presentation/image. Their corruption, authoritarianism, and loathing of the American people are the same.
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No, not really. The Republican worldview is that government is the problem, and the so-called free market is the solution, to every issue. Democrats tend to believe that government is the solution. Free market thinking tends to promote corruption because it views regulations and laws as impediments to success, while Democratic thinking tends to suffer from more typical everyday corruption that arises from the access to money and power. For those reasons it's harder to find an honest, ethical Republican these days, because ethics and free market thinking don't play well together in the human brain, while ethics and the idea of using the government to help people get along fine up there - it's just human nature that some of them will become corrupt because they can't handle power ethically.
 
LeftieBiker said:
The Republican worldview is that government is the problem,
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Like when government conducts unconstitutional mass-scale surveillance of everyone including monitoring our phone calls and emails, drives up deficits, taxes working people, endlessly prints money debasing the currency, constantly engages in unnecessary and illegal wars killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people a year, locks people away in prison for using drugs and harming no one in the process...

...oh wait, their worldview sees government doing these things as a solution to issues they perceive as problems, and not government as the problem!

and the so-called free market is the solution, to every issue.
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...that same so-called free market solution they support bails out large corporations at taxpayer expense when they are run into the ground by overpaid incompetents, allows the formation of government contracts worth hundreds of billions of dollars loaded with needless expenditures that taxpayers are forced to pay for, government selecting winners and losers by controlling access to money, and keeps large polluters from being held liable in court when they physically harm entire populations...

Yeah, they support big government, not anything resembling a free market. The so-called free market never existed in the U.S., and a real one could exist in a communist society just as much as it could in a capitalist one. It's arguable that China has a much freer market than does the U.S., albeit it's also arguable China is no longer communist and/or never was to begin with.

Democrats tend to believe that government is the solution.
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In the same way that the Republicans do. They support wars, corporate bailouts, massive domestic spying operations, endless deficit spending, the prison-industrial complex...

...but the vast majority of Democrats fail to support or fight for government intervention that could actually make people's lives better, such as Medicare for All/single payer healthcare, a living wage for all workers and/or a UBI, taxing the rich at Eisenhower-era levels, holding polluters to account for their destruction, or auditing the Federal Reserve to out who the private shareholders and profiteers from the debasement of our currency are.

Free market thinking tends to promote corruption because it views regulations and laws as impediments to success, while Democratic thinking tends to suffer from more typical everyday corruption that arises from the access to money and power.
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Neither party is for a free market. They both support a form of crony-capitalism that socializes the losses of moneyed entities while allowing these entities to privatize the profits they make from exploiting the labors of the whole population of the country. Both parties have immense access to money and power and have been corrupted from it. Both parties have been expanding government in size and scope. Both parties support the so-called free market we have today.

For those reasons it's harder to find an honest, ethical Republican these days, because ethics and free market thinking don't play well together in the human brain, while ethics and the idea of using the government to help people get along fine up there - it's just human nature that some of them will become corrupt because they can't handle power ethically.
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The amount of ethical politicians in congress can be counted on one hand. All of them are corruptible, and that's all the more reason not to give them power over us.
 
The Toecutter said:
LeftieBiker said:
Democrats tend to believe that government is the solution.
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In the same way that the Republicans do.
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Whatever run on, complex internal thought anyone wants to refuse to let go of, you're still stuck with:

WHOEVER IS IN GOVERNMENT WANTS THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT POLICY TO BE THE ANSWER.

It's not about government, it's about their own.

Republicans don't want a government that will kill them to turn around and hand their stuff to someone else.

Bill Clinton democrats don't want a government that WOULD do that, either.

Joebama Democrats don't want a government that would stop them from killing and eating others.

I wish there were still more of us Bill Clinton Democrats around.
 
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