Worst foods declared by the World Health Org. pg 37

[leisesturm]

People have to learn to live within their means. i rented a cheap room for years so i could save up to buy a house. Short sighted people want to live in a classy place right away, and then can end up on the street.

Low hanging fruit scapegoats to throw under the bus of indifference. What percent of the MILLIONS of about to be homeless does your cliche observation apply to? It matters. Ballpark guess. It's not a rhetorical question, though admittedly the answer is kind of moot. There won't be quizzes being given when it all goes to hell.

 

[Matt Gruber]

100% - everybody needs a plan. i moved back with my parents several times - that was plan B.

 

[Balmorhea]

People have to learn to live within their means. i rented a cheap room for years so i could save up to buy a house.

Okay, boomer.

The overall purchasing power of an average wage peaked in 1973.

In 1973, the median home value represented about 17,000 hours of the minimum wage. Today, it's about 38,000 hours of the minimum wage. Meaning even if you make double the minimum wage, a house is less affordable for you today than it was for a minimum wage worker in 1973.

Bottom line, you're going to be living in that cheap room for a long, long time.

 

[leisesturm]

Oooooh, suddenly you LIKE Trump. If he doesn't return for a second term, his moratorium ends. https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/10/12/trump-renter-eviction-moratorium-lawsuits/

Individual Governors, not Trump are responsible for the rent moratoriums. Even if Trump <shudder> were to return he would let the moratoriums lapse. He just didn't want millions of newly homeless Americans in the streets just weeks before the Election. But even I as a renter cannot see how Governors can task landlords with the shelter of the human wreckage of the economic shutdown. I'll bet you think that I think that its fine to expect landlords to have to keep their tenants in the manner to which, with no help from anywhere.

The wealthy are the people who ARE paying the taxes. I just posted it again in the last few weeks. I'm pretty sure I was correcting YOU and your usual nonsense. The non wealthy don't pay the real taxes. I'm on a long block, 17 houses on each side, some have multiple families, or at least adult children, there could be close to 100 tax returns. There are individual tax returns of the wealthy that greatly exceed all of us combined. What were the numbers I posted? Was it the upper half pay 97%? 1 out of 5 pay 70% and 4 out of 5 pay 30%? YOU are getting a free ride that the wealthy are paying for.

I never said the wealthy don't pay taxes. I said that the wealthy don't pay ENOUGH taxes. How do I know? Because they still have money left! A First World Nuclear Superpower cannot run on the fumes of revenue off the Alternative Minimum Tax. SCRAPE those Fat Cats to the bone! Again, you think I mean that. You think I and other Progressives want to destroy rich people. I can't imagine where that comes from. I do not think we should be amused that Trump can declare so much business loss in one tax year that he gets the next 11 years tax free and then on the 12th year does it again and gets the next 11 years (again) tax free and on top of that he is asking the IRS to PAY HIM $73M!!!! And he isn't the only rich slob whose Tax Attorneys are playing the IRS Tax Code like a Stradivarious violin.

In the post war era the top rate was over 90% and there was no cap. That did not stop the Vanderbilt's, Rockefeller's, Astor's, etc. from becoming the billionaires of their time. It isn't stopping the billionaires of today from becoming ever more wealthy by the hour despite paying ALL the taxes.

You can use all the large type you want, I remain unconvinced that the wealthy are paying their fair share in taxes because we are still in a deep pit of debt and it isn't caused by average American's "living beyond their means".

It is above my pay grade, certainly, but to whom it may concern better have a PLAN for how to keep the wealthy from losing their heads when the volcano blows. Their businesses and property are beyond saving. The fires being set now in car dealerships are going to include computer chip manufacturing plants and hospitals. In your most fevered nightmares you cannot imagine the pain and suffering that will be experienced by all of us because of the intransigence of the uber wealthy to actually pay attention to the needs of their country. Being a sympathizer won't save you.

Wall Street likes a PREDICTABLE government. That's why they didn't like Trump, he'd place a moratorium on evictions when they didn't expect it. If Wall Street is stable, the ability to do ANY business not related to Wall Street is stable. People such as Mr. Gruber who have some understanding what Wall Street is appreciate there are great intangibles in a healthy Wall Street.

I don't give a flying what Wall Street likes. What percent of Americans have any significant interests on Wall Street? A healthy Wall Street? They aren't doing that badly right now. Any entity that does well when a large cohort of people do badly is an entity that is in danger of losing it's head when the chickens come home to roost.

 

[Dauntless]

Oooooh, suddenly you LIKE Trump. If he doesn't return for a second term, his moratorium ends. https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/10/12/trump-renter-eviction-moratorium-lawsuits/

Individual Governors, not Trump are responsible for the rent moratoriums.

Oh, is this BILL? It never occurred to me before, but there's that Bill pattern of keeping up lying right in the face of the proof. Trump Executive Order. Eviction Moratorium.

Yeah, I guess it makes sense that you are Bill. Two people that bad wandering in here, hard to accept.

the wealthy don't pay ENOUGH taxes. How do I know? Because they still have money left!

Always great to see you defeat yourself and I don't even need to respond.

In the post war era the top rate was over 90% and there was no cap. That did not stop the Vanderbilt's, Rockefeller's, Astor's, etc. from becoming the billionaires of their time.

It DID stop America from prospering as it should have. Oh what a struggle for the middle class, the working class. Oh, but you don't care about that. You just don't want anyone to have any money "Left" over. If nothing else, there's certainly no excuse for not figuring out that it ended quickly for a REASON. . . .

It is above my pay grade, certainly,

Anything that affects another person is above your pay grade, you can't be trusted with anything that endangers lives and livelyhoods. As you prove with:

I don't give a flying what Wall Street likes. What percent of Americans have any significant interests on Wall Street?

Anyone with a retirement account. Anyone who will lose their job if YOU get to shipwreck things the way you want. Anyone who doesn't want all the relatives showing to move in with all their kids because they're homeless. I always mention that one because guess where they keep showing up.

 

[nicobie]

Anybody still heavily into Wall Street that can't afford to lose it all is a damn fool. And also a greedy one.

 

[Dauntless]

100% - everybody needs a plan. i moved back with my parents several times - that was plan B.

Okay, boomer.

Hey, we GenXer's did the same. Did your mom kick you out? Actually I didn't get to because Dad died while I was in school, Mom moved away and I couldn't afford to go to USC but had to use students loans to support not just me but the olders of the family. Oh, probably the only reason I have house today. They tracked Mom across state lines and moved in with. . . .

The overall purchasing power of an average wage peaked in 1973.

In 1973, the median home value represented about 17,000 hours of the minimum wage. Today, it's about 38,000 hours of the minimum wage. Meaning even if you make double the minimum wage, a house is less affordable for you today than it was for a minimum wage worker in 1973.

Bottom line, you're going to be living in that cheap room for a long, long time.

When I was a kid, I took up an expression: "Bull Roar." My older brother learned it from me and would shout "BULL ROAR." He didn't know what it meant. I'm going to explain to you what's wrong with what you just said one more time. Then you can be expected to admit 'Yeah, that was bull roar about the purchasing power.' But are you honest enough to do that?

The secrets of the universe on disproving you. Don't look, DON'T LOOK! https://taxfoundation.org/us-federal-individual-income-tax-rates-history-1913-2013-nominal-and-inflation-adjusted-brackets/

In 1973, a single person making minimum wage would be making what? 5k a year? Before my time, but I do believe I've read the California minimum wage was like $2.30/hour at the time. And the tax bracket paid 19% as head of household or married filing jointly. Single paid 21%. Married filing separately paid 22%. So depending, 17,000 hours represented maybe $65,000? For WHAT house? Maybe I should consider state income taxes, places like Texas don't have any. But accept this is an odd comparison that grows odder as you try to see how true it isn't. Property tax on that house included some local taxes, I understand the average was 7% a year before Proposition 13 just a few years later. So the annual property tax on that house was 1,100 hours. EACH YEAR. This is not counting that interest rates were HIGHER at the time.

2013, the most recent year I have. Dang, I believe that was $8.50/hour here. Tax rate 10% across the board. from $18,000 for the year we get $153,000, I'd say a small condo or townhome. The property tax was lowered by Proposition 13 to 1% in a rare outburst of conservatism in California in something like 63% of voters comprised of many who didn't even own a home. Since then it's been raised to 1.3%. So the annual property tax is 260 hours a year, EACH YEAR. 38,000 hours would be maybe $275,000, a small place. Property tax let's just say 450 hours a year, EACH YEAR. This is not counting that interest rates were LOWER at the time.

By the way, that's OBAMA taxes. Trump taxes are lower still.

Oh by the way, do you know what earned income credit is? This is where you can get not just ALL your tax in that low bracket back but they'll give you MORE than you paid. So your minimum wage hour might even be worth more than I gave it credit for in 2013, but not in 1973.

My degree in Economics is said to be the study of the management of scarce resources. I say it's the study of equilibrium. In 2013 if you bought the $153k own your own you start at equilibrium with 1973 and proceed to be better off financially from the very first day. If you bought the $275k house you might have the same house as 1973 and start out behind, but you start making up 750 hours EACH YEAR. You reach equilibrium at close to 30 years.

Given the lower interest rates of 2013, the mortgage payment if you financed the entire $153k might have been $750/month, 98 hours EACH month. The $275k would cost 135 hours each month. The $65k in 1973 would cost (I admit this is dicey and YOU SHOULD ACCEPT THAT) probably 120 hours a month.

My understanding is that in the 1970's you'd never succeed in financing with a payment more than 25% of your take home pay. Today I understand they'll write you for half or more of your take home pay. Get it financed, rent a room out.

In 1973 California was paying the HIGHEST percentage of property tax in the country. In 2013 we were 17th. There is more,so much more, that people don't bother to learn about before shooting their mouths off.

Meanwhile, in the 1970's you did not go through life with a cellphone, (Bill) you did not use a card to pay for things, (Fees) you did not have internet (Cost) you did not etc. etc. etc. There are real issues that you ignore. There's a real story whether you want to tell it or not.

A bull roarer is hard to truly define. It has served many purposes, communication, music, more to the point there was said to be religious usage that I first learned about when I was quite little. So when someone pompously said something and didn't know what they were talking about, I'd say "Bull Roar." My brother misused my original intend, but he abused everything.

So, as they say on TMZ, 'I call bull on this one' for your minimum wage nonsense. Except I just say BULL ROAR!

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[LeftieBiker]

100% - everybody needs a plan. i moved back with my parents several times - that was plan B.

Not everyone gets bailed out by Mommy and Daddy.

 

[Dauntless]

100% - everybody needs a plan. i moved back with my parents several times - that was plan B.

Not everyone gets bailed out by Mommy and Daddy.

Yeah, sometimes it's Uncle Dauntless. Or younger brother Dauntless.

 

[markz]

By the way, that's OBAMA taxes. Trump taxes are lower still.

No don't tell them that, they love Obama.

 

[Dauntless]

By the way, that's OBAMA taxes. Trump taxes are lower still.

No don't tell them that, they love Obama.

That's why. They WANT higher taxes, haven't you been reading that? They're whining because they don't have the senate majority to raise taxes. They think their own taxes won't be raised, the prices they pay won't go up, their rent won't go up, they won't lose their job, these will only happen to other people. They won't suffer at all, but the problems will hit everyone else.

 

[Matt Gruber]

100% - everybody needs a plan. i moved back with my parents several times - that was plan B.

Not everyone gets bailed out by Mommy and Daddy.

No bailout, i just got a place to stay so i would not have to dip into savings. i always made some money fixing up an old car, so i bought my own food, gas, insurance, etc. I would not even think of asking them for money, violates my principals of being self reliant. My small old room in NJ didn't cost them any cash, and i got to FL by age 36, and had a 1050 SF house custom built, with rough plumbing in the garage, so if necessary it could be converted into a rental, should i go broke. So far, so good, just my workshop in there, no tenants. Point is, i always have a plan B.

 

[kcuf]

By the way, that's OBAMA taxes. Trump taxes are lower still.

No don't tell them that, they love Obama.

That's why. They WANT higher taxes, haven't you been reading that? They're whining because they don't have the senate majority to raise taxes. They think their own taxes won't be raised, the prices they pay won't go up, their rent won't go up, they won't lose their job, these will only happen to other people. They won't suffer at all, but the problems will hit everyone else.

you both lie

again and again

over and over

 

[nicobie]

Nothing new about that. Mark isn't as bad as Daunti, though I can't understand why a Canadian would give a damn about trump when he treats them like just another shithole country. Probably because of Biden not liking the pipeline to the gulf. Mark lives in oil country. Might be in the oil business too.

 

[Matt Gruber]

Both Senate seats in GA did not get 50%, so the drama continues
Election in January.

 

[Dauntless]

By the way, that's OBAMA taxes. Trump taxes are lower still.

No don't tell them that, they love Obama.

That's why. They WANT higher taxes, haven't you been reading that? They're whining because they don't have the senate majority to raise taxes. They think their own taxes won't be raised, the prices they pay won't go up, their rent won't go up, they won't lose their job, these will only happen to other people. They won't suffer at all, but the problems will hit everyone else.

you both lie

again and again

over and over

No, fool,we tel the truth. Again and again. Over and over.

Obama a screamed because he wanted to raise taxes more than he did but didn't get to.

Trump lowered them, if you pay takes you know that. If you don't, then you don't know what you're talking about but still talking. Par for the course.

Then ultimate prooof we are RIGHT? Why, Nicotine agrees with YOU.

Yeah, MrZ, they can't figure out who you are. You gonna tell them or keep them in the dark? Oh, you're going to be incredibly lonely when that particular troll keeps his word and departs these parts.

 

[markz]

Both Senate seats in GA did not get 50%, so the drama continues
Election in January.

Question is, how much money will be dumped into the Senate seat race. Some say it will be the most expensive race in political history.
Sad news is we will never know how much is spent or where that money comes from.

 

[Matt Gruber]

Biden will likely look lame after 4 years, and who else in the D party can do better?
and with trump getting 72 million votes in 2020, who in the R party can top that?

 

[leisesturm]

If Biden looks lame after 4 years its because Malevolent Mitch and the Party of No, conspire to thwart every progressive thrust that Democrats try to make. In 2000, of 186 countries ranked, the USA was 34th in Political Stability. In 2019, the last year for which data is available, the USA had fallen to 79th place! I don't even want to know where we wind up after 2020 data is tabulated. Christ, we are behind Jamaica for crying out loud. I know something about Jamaica. I'm from there. The kind of crap we had at polling places in the U.S. this year is exactly what goes on in Kingston, Montego Bay and other Jamaican cities.

Every day that Trump refuses to concede sinks us further in the opinion of the other governments we share a planet with. It matters. If it didn't it wouldn't be worth the time it takes to create sites like this: https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/wb_political_stability/. $22B spent so far to try and change the minds of Americans so locked into their POV that Arthur, Future King of England, couldn't pull the hate out, or the love, for that matter. Zero sum. And there is money left to spend in the Senate runnoffs. And Americans are going to be on the streets in huge numbers and finding money for them to at least EAT requires days and days of handwringing, threats, cajolement, bargaining ... ...

AOC could do better than Biden. Sadly the DNC can't move that far left. But it needs to. The decades of flip flop between centrist D to centrist R have run their course. America either goes all the way over to one side or the other. It also isn't completely out of possibility for America to come apart at the Mason-Dixon line into? I don't know, maybe we should have a poll for what to call the future divided America. North America is taken. So is South America. You'll have to be more creative than that.

 

[Dauntless]

Biden will likely look lame after 4 years, and who else in the D party can do better?
and with trump getting 72 million votes in 2020, who in the R party can top that?

Biden looks lame today. Biden has always exuded lameness. He needs his own Lamacratic party.

If Biden looks lame after 4 years its because Malevolent Mitch and the Party of No, conspire to thwart every progressive thrust that Democrats try to make.

Sort of like those malevolent riot cops stopping your beloved Antifa from killing people, burning the cities, dancing on graves. . . .

In 2000, of 186 countries ranked, the USA was 34th in Political Stability. In 2019, the last year for which data is available, the USA had fallen to 79th place!

Such is the effect of elections. Vote people out, others take their place, Political Stability falls. Period.

it wouldn't be worth the time it takes to create sites like this:

People create all sorts of websites it's not worth the time to create. (YAWN!)

And there is money left to spend in the Senate runnoffs. And Americans are going to be on the streets in huge numbers and finding money for them to at least EAT requires days and days of handwringing, threats, cajolement, bargaining ... ...

The people getting paid to work on those elections would be doing that hand wringing, except they're working so they don't have to. They spend the money and others don't have to do the hand wringing. Wake up. There is a REAL way the economy works. But it does require working.

The decades of flip flop between centrist D to centrist R have run their course.

Nope. They have RETURNED. These things ebb and flow.

I don't know, maybe we should have a poll for what to call the future divided America. North America is taken. So is South America. You'll have to be more creative than that.

United States is also taken. And doing the job nicely. We'll stick with that. That is one of the great things the CENTRISTS accomplish. We keep you DIRTBAGS from ripping us apart.

And it's it wonderful that the Boogieman has a face for you. And a name. And a mission, 4 years from now. . . .

 

[markz]

AUSTIN, Texas (CBSDFW.COM) – A social worker in the Mexia State Supported Living Center has been charged with 134 felony counts in an election fraud investigation.

The Texas Attorney General’s Office’s Election Fraud Unit assisted the Limestone County Sheriff and District Attorney in charging Kelly Reagan Brunner.

If convicted, Brunner faces up to 10 years in prison for the alleged offenses.

tate Supported Living Centers serve people with intellectual and developmental disabilities, the AG’s office explained in a news release Friday, Nov. 6.

Brunner allegedly submitted voter registration applications for 67 residents without their signature or effective consent, while purporting to act as their agent.

Under Texas law, only a parent, spouse or child who is a qualified voter of the county may act as an agent in registering a person to vote, after being appointed to do so by that person, the AG’s Office said..

 

[leisesturm]

A social worker in the Mexia State Supported Living Center has been charged with 134 felony counts in an election fraud investigation.

The Texas Attorney General’s Office’s Election Fraud Unit assisted the Limestone County Sheriff and District Attorney in charging Kelly Reagan Brunner.

If convicted, Brunner faces up to 10 years in prison for the alleged offenses.

So ... what you need to know is that even if FRAUD resulted in an unfair election result, it does NOT give Trump the right to disregard said results and carry on a POTUS. At best it means recounts in select contested jurisdictions. At worst it might mean a new election altogether. In the meantime Nancy Pelosi would act as POTUS. I'm ok with that. Are you?

Bottom line. Trump is behaving illegally. Two wrongs do not make a right. If there is FRAUD, lodge the relevant complaints and comply with the conventions established for such an occurrence. It needs to be made clear to all who may participate in future elections that they are, in fact, rigged, and fraud is a foregone conclusion. By campaigning, and participating in the election process, contestants explicitly agree to abide by the decisions of the certifying states. Nothing more to do with this one except nullify the results and start all over. I'm ok with that. It won't change the ultimate result. It might bring an end to threads of this type. That would be priceless.

 

[Dauntless]

The Texas Attorney General’s Office’s Election Fraud Unit assisted the Limestone County Sheriff and District Attorney in charging Kelly Reagan Brunner.

If convicted, Brunner faces up to 10 years in prison for the alleged offenses.

Bottom line. Trump is behaving illegally.

Bottom line, Trump is doing what he is supposed to do, try to ensure things are done right. We don't have the fully thought out criteria for that, which this might help push in the direction of. But I expect that the real handling in the future for election fraud is going to be Stare Decisis. Let the decision stand, just keep building on what they did in the past. For lack of cooperation from the wacko left in government, the decision will be created entirely from the way Trump handles this now. The left will make that happen. Chilling thought for those dumb enough to be addicted to the left.

It might bring an end to threads of this type. That would be priceless.

No. Priceless is you not lying all the time and so no longer necessitating threads of "This type." If you'd learn to love the egg you put on your own face, you would then love threads of "This type."

 

[leisesturm]

Bottom line, Trump is doing what he is supposed to do, try to ensure things are done right.

Even you don't believe that! OMG I almost cracked a rib laughing so hard ... your posts should have health and safety advisories on them ... whew ... I've seen shameless posters and ignorant ones. You sir, are in a class all your own. Fascinating.

 

[Dauntless]

Bottom line, Trump is doing what he is supposed to do, try to ensure things are done right.

Even you don't believe that! OMG I almost cracked a rib laughing so hard .

Even YOU believe me. But of course you lie about things and this was such a wonderful opportunity for you. Yeah, I paint a picture of how real life works, you paint a picture of your stupid horselaugh face.

Isn't it amazing the power of dumb animals to disrupt our most dizzying high tech world of online?