Will Tariffs come about and lead to higher priced ebike parts

[DingusMcGee]

Our president elect has promised high tariffs on imports. Say these come about within 3 months of his inauguration.

We do have some time to get our purchases before $$$ go up.

I just got a Black Friday offer from SIAECOSYS QS motors.
See: SiAECOSYS Electric Powertrain Store - Amazing products with exclusive discounts on AliExpress

But since I don’t like doing business thru AlibabiEx, I contacted the SISACosys agent that sent me the flyer requesting a direct purchase from them. You will save $$ but you have to make an international wire outgoing transfer for a fee $35.00.

His address is jasmine@siaecosys.com.

I ordered 2- QS2000 V3 motors for $556.50 including air delivery at $140 for both motors. AlibabiEx ($169.44)/motor simply doubled air freight last time I went through posing an order.

From AlibabiEX:

P. S. If you have any confused about the shipping cost, please feel free to contact with us. Also could place order but don't pay first, then we could adjust the price.

Yes, from AlibabiEx the elusive, “…then we could adjust price”

 

[neptronix]

Hey.. i have an existing thread on this:
The age of cheap Chinese stuff is ending in the USA

The previous administration added lots of tarrifs to Chinese high tech goods.. many western countries seem to be following this direction.

I also recommend buying stuff now before the full brunt of the tariffs kicks in.

 

[E-HP]

I noticed that prices are falling ahead of the tariffs. I’ve been working on and off on my backyard shed solar project, while also researching components. I notice LiFEPO4 batteries coming down and they are 1/3 the price as last year. One YouTube reviewer said, “get them now, the tariffs are coming”, after which I put two and two together, and hit the buy button. They may go lower, but I decided to pull the trigger anyway.

 

[docw009]

I bought some 32700 battery wraps for $2.10 on aliexpress. I kind of hate to buy something so inconsequential, but they charged $4.80 for shipping, and that's fair. Can't find them in the USA anyway,

I believe that the kinds of things I buy from China, which rarely exceed $500, are not going to be charged customs or tariffs. Moat recent was a motor kit for $390 last October. Got here in ten days,

 

[hillslayer@]

I don't get how the general population doesn't realize this is a tax on them not China.

 

[Chalo]

This gets said a lot. By everyone. Everywhere. All over the place. No one says anything else, but this. That's how I know it's wrong.

It's because we have a vocal minority (perhaps including yourself) who'd rather believe obvious lies than verifiable facts. The irrefutable fact is, tariffs won't be paid by producers, but by consumers. In this case China is the producer and USA is the consumer. If you think that's wrong, it's because you are wrong.

If you think today's Americans are capable of rebuilding the manufacturing industries we've zealously exported for two generations now, by leveraging the abilities of Americans we've de-educated, impoverished and overfattened for two generations now, you're living in a fantasy land. Only immigrants and the children of immigrants have anything like that much capability, and persecuting them probably will lead to them not performing any economic miracles for rich whiteys.

 

[docw009]

I was at the bike shop today to pick up a spoke. They cut me one.

The guy had like 50 Specialized bikes on the floor with stickers of $3025 on one. . Didn't see any e-bikes, but they may have been in other side of the show room. It's a rich area, but dunno how he's going to sell these when the price of cars is going up $3-10K.

 

[neptronix]

Speaking of tarriffs, i read this recently about computer chip production:

TSMC's Arizona Facility Production Is Just 10% More Expensive Than Taiwan Facilities, Shows Expansion Into The US Has Little Financial Complications

"According to an analysis by G. Dan Hutcheson of TechInsights, it is claimed that the production of TSMC Arizona is only 10% costlier than that in Taiwan, and the industry has gotten it all wrong. The report claims that the common notion is that TSMC's US facilities are required to hire personnel from the country, which means that the wages will be much higher than those of Taiwan. But, large-scale fabs like Arizona are mostly automated, with labor costs associated with just 2% of the total fees, which shows that the expense difference isn't that large."

So basically, since a lot of things are automated, the labor cost advantage has

I also hear on Bloomberg News radio that generally, Chinese suppliers are eating the cost of the tariffs.

Motors and controller production has been becoming automated. So it's possible that we don't get bent over for motors & such for our ebikes. Maybe the apocalyptic scenario isn't happening. I'm slightly more hopeful lately.

 

[neptronix]

FYI we have at least 1 ebiker here reporting they paid tariffs on canadian ebike parts.

 

[docw009]

Who cares about a dinky little bike part after today's tariff announcements.

 

[neptronix]

Currently panic buying bicycle and computer equipment.

Received this from bikesdirect. Don't know if it's a capitalist hoax to sell bikes or completely true.

Greetings! This is Mike, the CEO of Bikesdirect.​

UPDATE On Bicycle Tariffs —Prices Already Going Up Across the Industry At Bikesdirect, we’ve always focused on offering high-quality bikes at the lowest possible prices. Now, with new federal tariffs ranging from 43% to 91% depending on the country of origin, many major bike brands have already begun raising their prices. These increases are happening fast—and they’re not optional. We’re holding prices on our current inventory as long as it lasts. Once those are gone, new shipments will reflect higher tariff costs. If you’re considering a new bike this spring, now is the time. Current prices will not last, and this situation is affecting the entire industry—not just us. Sincerely, Dr. Mike Spratt CEO, Bikesdirect​

 

[docw009]

I'll need two Win 11 PC's by the Fall. Probably should buy them now, One will be a refurbed Dell, and even those will go up in demand by then,

 

[scianiac]

My optimistic side thinks the tariffs won't hold out that long, either some deals are made, none of which will be very good and that's the excuse to roll them back or after 6 months congress or justice reverse them, they both easily have the power to given they are based on very shaky legal ground and congress is technically the ones who are supposed to impose tariffs. I mean either of those things may happen because things will be real bad. We're already seeing countries specifically target red state exports and that will continue until everybody in congress gives in.

Right now basically every business has halted all imports they can to wait and see, many of them stocked up as much as they could in the past few months. What that will do to prices is up to them though, they may start to take advantage regardless, never let a good crisis go to waste.

In terms of bike stuff, I've got plenty of parts for half finished projects, time to stop buying, finish all of those and enjoy riding the stupid things more.

 

[neptronix]

I have a feeling that there's enough pushback to force US govt's hand to stop the insanity. I'm just not sure. I have really low expectations at this point. I want to be positive, but that's challenging.

As for computer parts, I'd say hurry up, and only buy from US vendors. Doors are closing.



I'm not sure what the situation is with ebike parts, but i'm buying a crapton of computer parts today.

 

[hillslayer@]

Civilwar is coming.

 

[Chalo]

Civilwar is coming.

No, historically it's only defenestration that is called for by the circumstances.

 

[gromike]

Which led to the Thirty Years War.

Personally, being a bit of the survivalist's ilk, I have been preparing for this since Trump 1.0.
Though being of such an age that any survival would be but short lived.

I bought motors, controllers, batteries and bms's for a couple of years of projects several months ago, and all the bicycle wear parts too. I guess I've become a hoarder of all things bicycle.

 

[DingusMcGee]

For an answer to the thread title we now have enough info to say yes, most likely —the higher priced ebike expectations have been set in motion as of last night’s big tariff on China.

The Resolve? Likely after the next election? We have moron voters too …”… dumb as a sack of rocks” — from Elon Musk, you know, the pig at the public trough.

 

[marka-ee]

I'm in Europe. Do you guys think that these tariff things between the US and China Will make prices go up or down in Europe for bicycle parts, etc?

 

[DingusMcGee]

The linear thinking on European prices might be this way: if our prices go up, we buy less. If we buy less from CN, they get surplus inventory. When you have surplus inventory, you can sell for less. So prices go down for Europe, if no other interventions.

 

[j bjork]

I'm in Europe. Do you guys think that these tariff things between the US and China Will make prices go up or down in Europe for bicycle parts, etc?

It is an interesting question, I think last time USA raised the tariff on China Europe more or less followed. I dont think that will be the case now, but who knows what will happen when big companies will start to go bankrupt? The European car manufactures where already in crisis, before all this.

 

[neptronix]

Lol, looks like pushback was swift.



It looks like someone realized that the feasibility isn't there.

Panic ordering suspended until further notice.

Re: Europe; I hope nobody else follows our public policy. Trade wars are a net loss for everyone.

My bet is that EU gets a flood of goods from China. If your government allows it, there will be a risk of it eating the remaining manufacturing that is done in the EU. I don't know how your govt will respond to that. Any guesses?

 

[Chalo]

Lol, looks like pushback was swift.

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It looks like someone realized that the feasibility isn't there.

Other than typical investor stampede behavior, it seems the markets are betting that either 1) the rapist changes his mind in the next 90 days about something he's been jabbering about for 40 years, or 2) the rapist won't be in power in 90 days.

Neither one is a safe bet, though they're better than nothing.

 

[offGridDownUnder]

Do you guys think that these tariff things between the US and China Will make prices go up or down in Europe for bicycle parts, etc?

Yes.

 

[gromike]

Just imagine if someone had insider information of Trump's future actions and played the market.
Of course, no one in Trump's orbit would ever do something like that.